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The Changing Face of Scotland - we need more immigrants!


_Sofi_  
7 Dec 2007 /  #1
I was interested in this article in the Daily Record. I find it worrying, but at least get to show it to the people at work who want 'all immigrants to go home.'

Apologies if it already been a topic!

"I spoke at a conference recently and a person stood up and said immigration will change the character of Scotland.

"I said it certainly will but you have a choice. You either have the same character of Scotland and a lower standard of living, or a changed character and a higher standard of living.

"People don't want immigration but do want increased living standards. You can't have it all ways. Take your pick."

dailyrecord.co.uk/news/special-reports/changing-face-of-scotland/2007/11/30/why-scotland-needs-25-000-immigrants-a-year-86908-20183236/
osiol 55 | 3,922  
7 Dec 2007 /  #2
Welcome back.
I haven't read the Daily Record since I was a bored newsagent at lunchtime 9 years ago.
I might give that cyber-version a read.

edit: Now I've read it, my conclusions are, either immigration, or they should put some sort of aphrodisiac in the water and encourage everyone to breed like bunnies.
LondonChick 31 | 1,134  
7 Dec 2007 /  #3
That made me laugh out loud.

It's too cold in Scotland - that's why I moved south of the border :)
Bartolome 2 | 1,085  
7 Dec 2007 /  #4
I said to my colleague today: 'Nae problem'. There is something strange happening with me, I'm afraid.
miranda  
7 Dec 2007 /  #5
There is something strange happening with me, I'm afraid.

Just noticed it now????P

Sofi, thank God you are back because some male member if this forum was moping and bringing us down:)
Bartolome 2 | 1,085  
7 Dec 2007 /  #6
Just noticed it now????P

And what comes next ? Wearing T-shirts in winter ???
miranda  
7 Dec 2007 /  #7
Wearing T-shirts in winter ???

do Scottish people do that?

PS. kilt
Bartolome 2 | 1,085  
7 Dec 2007 /  #8
do Scottish people do that?

You wouldn't believe...

PS. kilt

That's the word I'm afraid of the most :)
miranda  
7 Dec 2007 /  #9
That's the word I'm afraid of the most :)

ha, ha.....make sure that your post a pic of your 'trasition in progress".....
szkotja2007 27 | 1,499  
7 Dec 2007 /  #10
Thanks for the link Sofi. I have posted about it a couple of times in response to "Britain this and Britain that". I keep trying to say that the picture in Scotland is different to that than the rest of the UK. This is why the Scottish government is trying to encourage immigrants rather than the English based parties who try to score points with anti immigration ticket.
Bartolome 2 | 1,085  
7 Dec 2007 /  #11
ha, ha.....make sure that your post a pic of your 'trasition in progress".....

But only waist doon :)
PolskaDoll 28 | 2,105  
7 Dec 2007 /  #12
I find it worrying, but at least get to show it to the people at work who want 'all immigrants to go home.'

It's worrying that the amount of people who have left Scotland (and plan to in the future) causes enough concern that research has been done into how Scotland will "fail" without some kind of boost in population. If that boost comes from "immigrants" then so be it. Anti-Polish or anti-immigrant feelings don't run as highly in Scotland as they do elsewhere in the UK so Scotland would accept immigrants as a partial help to the boost.

And Welcome Back Sofi :)
Puzzler 9 | 1,089  
7 Dec 2007 /  #14
_Sofi_

- It's good you're back, angel.
isthatu 3 | 1,164  
7 Dec 2007 /  #15
Anti-Polish or anti-immigrant feelings don't run as highly in Scotland as they do elsewhere in the UK

They do in the big cities and youd better believe it, I have lots of connections still to Edinburgh and there is a definate undercurrent of " oh yes,nice enough people,but to many of them",Im sure this is the same in other areas of higher level imigration.The fact it seems wider spread in England is that generally Poles are in more English towns and cities and in larger numbers,wait till little towns in scotland,reliant on seasonal work suddenly play host to a few thousand outsiders ready to take those jobs for min wage and dodgyier conditions and attitudes will soon come into line with the rest of UK.
Tefal  
7 Dec 2007 /  #16
Anti-Polish or anti-immigrant feelings don't run as highly in Scotland as they do elsewhere in the UK

I think people are starting to get fed up of Poles in Scotland as well. It's sad but true. One just has to wander around the Polish ghetto in Edinburgh, around Leith Walk, to see how they cut themselves off and want nothing to do with integrating, unless they have to pour you a pint or serve you in Lidl!
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163  
7 Dec 2007 /  #17
and want nothing to do with integrating

Integration with what ?
isthatu 3 | 1,164  
7 Dec 2007 /  #18
The local community,I can back up that other guys comments about edinburgh ,according to freinds and familiy that is the cases,there is almost no mingling with locals or attempts to intergrate into a local way of life. This rosy picture of enland being an evil polonophobic place and scotland a happy clappy welcome mat is turning into tosh as Scots are getting cheased off being told they have to intergrate with newcomers and newcomers arnt bothering to return the gesture.
Tefal  
7 Dec 2007 /  #19
Integration with what ?

Just integrating Man! I have lived in poland for 5 years and I believe in the 'when in Rome...' syndrome. When i'm back in Uk I have yet to meet a Pole who wants to meet locals, talk to them, socialise etc. they are either really suspicious or want to know what you cando to help them. By the way my Polish is pretty good.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163  
7 Dec 2007 /  #20
or attempts to intergrate into a local way of life.

OK so let's say that in a few moths I will go to Scotland, find a job, sign a year long contract and... why the hell would I want "to intergrate into a local way of life" ? To wear a skirt ?
osiol 55 | 3,922  
7 Dec 2007 /  #21
picture of enland being an evil polonophobic place and scotland a happy clappy welcome mat

One of the regular trolls is from somewhere in the north lands.

why the hell would I want "to intergrate into a local way of life

Talk to people, socialise. That sort of thing.
You don't need to chase down and beat haggises to death with bagpipes and shortbread (although the whisky can make you do that if you're not careful).
El Gato 4 | 351  
7 Dec 2007 /  #22
That's the word I'm afraid of the most :)

You should definitely worry about haggis (sorry if I butchered the spelling) more than kilts....

One of the regular trolls is from somewhere in the north lands.

Gives highlanders a bad name....let's hit him with a shalaylee

:]
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163  
7 Dec 2007 /  #23
I don't understand the whole "integration" issue, I really have more understanding even for "they steal our jobs" idiots. In next year we will start importing Chinese workers to build roads, stadiums and other things in Poland and I don't give a damn If they will be trying to "integrate" with us. Do your job well, that's all I want from them.
osiol 55 | 3,922  
7 Dec 2007 /  #24
It's not so much the people who are there temporarily, it is the people immigrate and settle. Communities that are seperated from the rest of society naturally have more problems. Divisions between people in society don't do any good.

Gives highlanders a bad name

Both a lowlander and a lowlife.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163  
7 Dec 2007 /  #25
it is the people immigrate and settle.

And how many Poles "immigrate and settle" ? If PLN/GDP exchange rate is going to change in the same direction then you will see 80% of them going out within next few years.
El Gato 4 | 351  
7 Dec 2007 /  #26
Do your job well, that's all I want from them.

Just like God...you might be the new Dalai Llama Grzeg :]

But on a serious note, who gives a damn. Keep tradition, make friends, and be kind to each other. That's all that matters. You shouldn't have to integrate to be welcome somewhere.
Hueg - | 320  
7 Dec 2007 /  #27
One of the regular trolls is from somewhere in the north lands.

Well you keep trying to claim his crown Nogbad. You just wouldn't let it lie. :)
osiol 55 | 3,922  
7 Dec 2007 /  #28
80% of them going out within next few years.

That would leave 20%.
Let's wait and see.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163  
7 Dec 2007 /  #29
That would leave 20%.

And those will be people, who really want to live there unlike those, who just came to make some cash, so I doubt that in this case there will be problems with integration.

the next Buddha

Bubba ? What the hell... ?
szkotja2007 27 | 1,499  
7 Dec 2007 /  #30
Gives highlanders a bad name

The troll is not a Highlander, his profile says he lives in Weegieland.

As for integration, I could give you heaps of examples of integration that go on all the time.
FFS there are plenty of Scottish people that dont integrate within their own communities !!!

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