History / Poland before WWII or Poland now what would you choose? [390]


So much love for country that you didn't return until after its freedom was won by those other than yourself ... clown LOL



... I expect the rest will be Moderated out ;-))

History / Poland before WWII or Poland now what would you choose? [390]


No surprise that to date this is your only contribution to this thread :-))

Shill abbreviation of the Yiddish shillaber. The word originally denoted a carnival worker who pretends to be a member of the audience in an attempt to elicit interest in an attraction.

So my job is to attract interest in clowns like you — oh, I love my job! LOL

History / Poland before WWII or Poland now what would you choose? [390]


Do you mean Bereza Kartuska?

History / "Our Forgotten Allies" - Polish-American relations. [52]


Israeli is third only to the US and Canada in terms of number of companies listed on Nasdaq—more than United Kingdom, China, and Germany.

History / How Poland Created the 'Jewish/Khazar Problem' [11]


Joe/Frank You are living in a sad world of your own making; a paranoid delusional world dominated by Jewish conspracies and clandestine forces. I thank the Lord that I obviously do not inhabit the same world you live in :-)))

History / How Poland Created the 'Jewish/Khazar Problem' [11]


Paranoid Jew eh?? LOL

lasalettejourney.blogspot.com/2006/01/mr-matthew-anger-and-fringe-watch.html

Mr. Matthew Anger and Fringe Watch

Mr. Matthew Anger, a freelance journalist who has written articles for the prestigious Latin Mass Magazine as well as Seattle Catholic, has initiated a Catholic Blog dedicated toward exposing fringe groups on both ends of the political and religious spectrum.

Fringe Watch, its primary aim "a study on the Third Positionist neo-fascist infiltration of conservative/traditional Catholic circles,"

You seem to deliberately overlooked John J. Reilly who resigned as an editor on Culture Wars: Another "paranoid Jew" ?

History / Poland before WWII or Poland now what would you choose? [390]


Actually I don't—one can't argue with the facts. The immediate post-war Polish government was a Stalinist puppet government. The legitimate Polish government was "exiled' and in London. Period. This changed when the Stalinist government was recognised by the rest of the world community. But the Polish government-in-exile remained in London until the fall of communism.

You have argued that Poland did not receive any compensation or reparations from Germany for wartime losses; the facts are that Poland's share was to come from Soviets as agreed at Potsdam. This is fact.

It is also a fact that the Polish and German governments agreed in 2004 that they had no further claims for reparations against each other. These are the facts which you seem unable to grasp.

However if you think the Soviet Union defrauded Poland of its share of German reparations then you (you personally or Poland as a nation) need to take this up with the Soviet Union. If you believe that during the post-war period the Soviet Union plundered Poland and its resources (as I do —the facts are in the article I linked to for you) then this is an issue that Poland needs to address with the Soviet Union not Germany.

So yet again, you need to ask the Kremlin what it did with Poland's due compensation I have given you the contact details to make it easy for you :-))

And yet again I ask you why isn't the Polish government demanding compensation from Soviet Union for losses and extortion suffered at the hands of the Soviets during WWII and the post-war periods?

You seem to have a strong view on this issue so what are you personally doing about righting this wrong? Are you out there campaigning? Contacting the press to get involved? Lambasting your MPs? What? SFA?

History / How Poland Created the 'Jewish/Khazar Problem' [11]


No inconvenience at all .. but you could just as well have googled it ;-))

fringewatcher.blogspot.com/2006/01/e-michael-jones-and-jews.html

and in case you missed this link?

"Mike........ I really don't want to be involved with what is increasingly becoming a journal of psycho-sexual conspiracy theory."

History / How Poland Created the 'Jewish/Khazar Problem' [11]

A little bit about the publisher of Culture Wars:

"Author E. Michael Jones, publisher of Culture Wars, represents one of the foremost proponents of "religious" anti-Semitism in Catholic circles. Any normal Catholic, or conservative aware of the Church's invaluable moral leadership, will find such a connection obnoxious.

Jones has subtly disseminated his Jewish conspiracy-obsessed message to right-of-center Catholics since the late 1990s. An excellent discussion of this drift into extremism is detailed in an open letter by former Culture Wars editor John J. Reilly."

History / Poland before WWII or Poland now what would you choose? [390]


"On 16th August 1945 the Polish Provisional Government of National Unity signed an agreement in Moscow according to which the Soviet Union was to give 15% of the war reparations it received (1.5 billion dollars) to Poland and at the same time the Soviet side relinquished all claims German property and other assets found within the new boundaries of Poland. Despite this agreement, plunder continued to be a means of 'supplying' Soviet units stationed in Poland.

This agreement proved to be extremely costly because it obliged the Polish side to provide the USSR with coal at a fixed price that was just 10% of the coal's market value. This extortionate rate forced the Polish government to renegotiate the deal. On 5th March 1947 it signed new conditions to the agreement by which the amount of coal it was obliged to deliver to the Soviet Union was reduced by half but at the same time it also reduced Poland's war reparations claim by half to only 7.5% of the reparations the Soviet Union received."

So once again you need to ask the Kremlin what it did with Poland's due compensation I have given you the contact details to make it easy for you :-))

Why isn't the Polish government demanding compensation from Soviet Union for losses and extortion suffered at the hands of the Soviets during WWII and the post-war periods? Is this something you yourself are working on?

polishresistance-ak.org/30%20Article.htm
Here is the article link[/url] which shows just how Soviets plundered Poland after WWII .... and as the ad says "Where there's blame there's a claim" :-))

or is it something like " Там, где есть винить есть претензии"

History / Poland before WWII or Poland now what would you choose? [390]


... and guess what by 1941 Poland and Soviet Union were allies again!

History / Poland before WWII or Poland now what would you choose? [390]


Well... why do you think?


You can't prove this with any facts, this is just your opinion. Where did the monies for Poland's immediate post-war reconstruction come from?

I have given you the contact details for the Russian Presidential Office. So contact them and ask why they stole Poland's share of reparations or would you like me to do it for you since you obviously still need spoon-feeding. LOL.


Quite clearly this is Poland's problem not Germany's as you keep saying Germany should have "'payed money" to Poland not USSR.

But actually there is no problem after all, as both the Polish and German governments agreed in 2004 that there was no legal basis for either country to pay reparations to each other. Maybe you should contact the Polish government and ask them why they decided not to persue this further?


Lets not forget that Nazi Germany was an ally of Poland at one time:
The German-Polish Non-Aggression Pact an international treaty between Nazi Germany and Poland signed on January 26, 1934.

History / Russia: Poland responsible for WW II [300]


Only one comment:

The German-Polish Non-Aggression Pact an international treaty between Nazi Germany and Poland signed on January 26, 1934.

Soviet–Polish Non-Aggression Pact an international treaty of non-aggression signed in 1932 by Poland and the USSR.

History / Poland before WWII or Poland now what would you choose? [390]


The Berlin (Potsdam) Conference, July 17-August 2, 1945

III. REPARATIONS FROM GERMANY.
2. The U. S. S. R. undertakes to settle the reparation claims of Poland from its own share of reparations.


Maybe when you contact the Kremlin they will help your understanding as to where Poland's share of the $10 billion reparations went to. You might even find that the Soviet Union actually paid out for Poland's post-war reconstruction, because if the money didn't come from the SU where did it come from? From Poland's gold reserves that were repatriated from Canada after the war? I don't think so.

History / Poland before WWII or Poland now what would you choose? [390]

The Berlin (Potsdam) Conference, July 17-August 2, 1945
avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/decade17.asp

(a) Protocol of the Proceedings, August l, 1945

III. REPARATIONS FROM GERMANY.

1. Reparation claims of the U. S. S. R. shall be met by removals from the zone of Germany occupied by the U. S. S. R., and from appropriate German external assets.

2. The U. S. S. R. undertakes to settle the reparation claims of Poland from its own share of reparations.

IV. DISPOSAL OF THE GERMAN NAVY AND MERCHANT MARINE

(1) The German Merchant Marine, surrendered to the Three Powers and wherever located, shall be divided equally among the U. S. S. R., the U. K., and the U. S. A. The actual transfers of the ships to the respective countries shall take place as soon as practicable after the end of the war against Japan. The United Kingdom and the United States will provide out of their shares of the surrendered German merchant ships appropriate amounts for other Allied States whose merchant marines have suffered heavy losses in the common cause against Germany, except that the Soviet Union shall provide out of its share for Poland.

So Salomon, it seems quite clear Poland was to be paid compensation from the Soviet share of German reparations but as you are adamant that this did not happen, here are the Russian Presidential Office details at the Kremlin so you can find out what happened to Poland's compensation?

Russian Presidential office contact numbers are:
Contact telephone numbers: (495) 985-37-60, (495) 606-50-02.
Requests can be faxed to (495) 606-90-00 or (495) 606-73-77 until 5.00 p.m., 10 April

Letters can be sent to:
Presidential Executive Office
Ilinka Str, No 23
103132, Moscow, Russia.

Email the Kremlin
kremlin.ru/eng/articles/send_letter_Eng1a.shtml

History / Western Europe and America vs Russia WWII - chances of Poland being saved [494]


Here is another:

When France capitulated in June 1940, tens of thousands of Polish soldiers were evacuated to Britain. Surprisingly they were not received warmly. Churchill asked Sikorski why he was bringing his soldiers to Britain?

Source: Page 91 Memoirs of an Éminence grise by J. Retinger pub. 1972 Sussex, England.

History / Poland before WWII or Poland now what would you choose? [390]


Maybe you should be asking the Kremlin what happened to Poland's share of German reparations?

Although Poland did not receive compensation directly, under the 1945 Potsdam Agreement Poland was guaranteed a share in the Soviet Union's portion of reparations but Poland's former communist regime forfeited that right in 1953. Why did they do that?

And is it not the case the Polish and German governments agreed to formally drop any claims and counter claims from each other for war reparations in 2004— case closed I think!

History / Western Europe and America vs Russia WWII - chances of Poland being saved [494]


No.

History / Western Europe and America vs Russia WWII - chances of Poland being saved [494]


Copied and pasted from several sources but could find most of it here:

Lend Lease to Russia From Major Jordan' Diaries (NY: Harcourt, Brace, 1952)

"Russian" Spitfires: "Russian" Lend lease Jeep 1944:

History / Western Europe and America vs Russia WWII - chances of Poland being saved [494]


Nope: Spitfires and Hurricanes sent to Russia had "Made in England" let alone all those US planes "Made in USA" and those 51000 Jeeps that were exported to Russia under the Lend-Lease program ;-)

Some of the US and British planes Stalin was sent:

P-39 Airacobra single-engine fighters - 4719
P-40 fighters - 2397
P-47 fighters - 195
Hurricane single-engine fighters - 2952
Spitfire single-engine fighters - 1331
A-20 twin-engine light attack bombers - 2908
B-25 twin-engine medium bombers - 862

From USA:

3,734 tanks
10 mine sweepers
82 smaller boats
210,000 automobiles
3,000 anti aircraft guns
1,111 oerlikon guns
17,000 motor bikes
991 million cartridges
1.2 million Km telephone cable
245,000 military telephones
257 million oil refinery,electrical equipment
5.2 million boots
2 million tons of food

Shipped to Russia June 22 1941 to April 30th 1944 From UK:

5,800 Planes
4,292 Tanks
12 minesweepers
103,000 tons rubber
6,000 machine tools

Shipped from Canada:

1188 Tanks
842 Armoured cars
One million shells
36,000 tons Aluminium
208,000 tons grain

Enough to allow Soviet industrial production to recover from early German successes and meet the increased equipment requirement Soviet forces needed to defeat the Nazis on the Eastern Front.

History / Western Europe and America vs Russia WWII - chances of Poland being saved [494]


I think even you will agree a huge number of these also had "Made in USA" stamped on them ;-)))

History / Western Europe and America vs Russia WWII - chances of Poland being saved [494]


That is not strictly true.

Without the $11.3 billion of miltary hardware transfered to the Soviet Union under the US Lend Lease programme Stalin would have run out of hardware long before Soviet industry developed enough production capacity to supply the Soviet war effort until 20 September 1945 when all Lend-Lease to the Soviet Union was terminated. Though this does not take away from the fact; that without the enormous blood-sacrifice of the Red Army and Polish 1st and 2nd Armies on the Eastern Front the Nazis would not have been defeated soley from the Normandy beaches.

History / Western Europe and America vs Russia WWII - chances of Poland being saved [494]

There is some pretty convincing evidence that German sourced uranium and maybe even a German nuclear device was used on Japan by the US. Interestingly "Little Boy" was never tested before it was used on Hiroshima. There is a story that a third nuclear device was dropped but failed to detonate.

"Unterseeboot 234 (U-234) was a WWII German Type XB submarine (U-boat) whose first and only mission into enemy territory consisted of the attempted delivery of uranium and other German advanced weapons technology to the Empire of Japan. After learning of Germany's unconditional surrender, the submarine surrendered to the United States on 14 May 1945."

The uranium on board Unterseeboot 234 was secured Robert Oppenheimer at the The Manhattan Project.

History / Western Europe and America vs Russia WWII - chances of Poland being saved [494]

NSZ units continued the armed struggle against the Polish communist regime for some years after WWII. This is cap badge and shoulder board that belonged an elderly friend; a veteran in Chicago who died a couple of years ago.

Holy Cross

It is a fact that Gen. Anders had no plan that included any Germans forces in preparation of WWIII.

Anders did envsion that Poles forcibly conscripted into the Red Army stationed in Germany would desert and join a Polish army of liberation just as Poles had done from the Werhmacht during the war. The British forbade Anders to accept any members of the SS into the ranks of the Second Corps but apparently a Lithuanian SS unit was accepted into Anders army in contravention of this British order. But I believe this was post-war.

History / Western Europe and America vs Russia WWII - chances of Poland being saved [494]

Gen. Anders tried many times to convince the US to be prepared for WWIII which he thought was only two years or so away from the end of WWII, hence his attempts at creating a European Catholic Alliance with Franco's Spain throughout 1947-48.

News / Nobility / Aristocracy in Poland ? [92]


Contact:
THE SOVEREIGN MILITARY HOSPITALLER ORDER OF MALTA

The Knights Hospitallers in Poland

There you will find members from Poland's oldest noble families :-)

History / World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World [489]


Maybe the Wiki article needs updating?

Dr Jan Stanisław Ciechanowski, from University of Warsaw, in his paper General Anders and His Contacts With Spain, published in the book General Władysław Anders. Soldier and Leader of the Free Poles in Exile.

Writes that:


Ref: General Anders and His Contacts With Spain, w: General Władysław Anders. Soldier and Leader of the Free Poles in Exile. Papers from the Conference Organised by the Polish University Abroad, London, 15-16 June 2007, red. J. Pyłat, J. Ciechanowski, A. Suchcitz, London 2008, s. 193-206;


Ref: Azyl dyplomatyczny w poselstwie Rzeczypospolitej Polskiej w czasie hiszpańskiej wojny domowej (1936-1939), „Przegląd Historyczny”, t. XCI, z. 4, Warszawa 2000, s. 551-584. Jan Stanisław Ciechanowski,


ref: M. Zagurniak, "Wojna domowa w Hiszpanii w oświetleniu polskiego rządowego piśmiennictwa politycznego i wojskowego 1936-1939", w: "Studia Historyczne", r.XXVI, z.3, 1983, s.451-458; A. Jońca, R. Szubański, J. Tarczyński, Wrzesień 1939.Pojazdy wojska polskiego.Barwa i broń,Warszawa 1990, s.61

History / World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World [489]


Is it not the case that Poland also supported the Franco's fascist forces (as Germany did) during the Spanish civil war?

And that Gen. Anders negotiated with Franco after the war to maintain Polish forces in Spain, where the Poles were trying to set up a Catholic alliance with Spain against the Soviet Union, who Anders believed was preparing to start WWIII against the West within a few of years of the end of WWII.

Franco did not take up Anders plan but he gave permission for Anders to run a Polish language broadcasting radio station in Spain whose role was anti-Soviet propanganda.

Maybe this stance contributed to the Soviet propaganda that Anders and the exiled Polish forces were 'Fascist Conspirators' and 'Hitlerites' ?

History / any thoughts about Norman Davies ability to present accurate history of Poland?? [12]

Regardless of whether or not he accurately reflects Polish history Norman Davies' major contribution has been keeping Polish history alive in front of a English-speaking audience over several decades through his books and his role at School of Slavonic and East European Studies in London where he inspired others like Michael Hope to write about the Polish diaspora resulting from WWII.