History / Operation Market Garden, what went wrong? [68]


What,about the fact that it was Brit and Canadian armour that seeled the northern secxtion,thus saving a whole heap of American lives?
(though maybe not "winning " the battle for you as Monty rather arogently claimed)


Er, not to disrespect you here but,Final,really? More like a completly unplanned fluke. How about op comet the REAL crossing of the rhine?


A fine hour,but,lets not forget the fact that Brits and Yanks had died while getting rid of all but a handfull of german defenders...


Wasnt that the French North Africans???


Im guessing this has a different meaning where you come from :)

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Yep,sums it up quite well really..Nashi or nazi.....you decide....

History / Operation Market Garden, what went wrong? [68]

Right,one more point,that,as this is PF is highly relevent.
The vast majority of the Poles were not "abandoned " by anyone. The Poles,the ones who hadnt managed to join the main British force north of the rhine were on the south bank. The british Wessex division,Dorset regiment( dorset again eh Franek :) ) reached the south bank and most of the Poles got clean away,sheltered by British troops. So,for a Pole to moan about being abandoned is just that, more factless whinging,happily ignoring historical fact.


There were no King Tigers in the Battle, Tigers yes but not Koinigstigers. What the Allied airborne at Arnhem did fight the german (and Dutch nazi) armour with was ; PIATs, 6 pounder (thats 57mm for the Yanks) anti tank guns and also a smattering of 17 pounders.

Lets also look at the reasons why the germans were able to counter almost all allied moves,including being in the right(wrong) place for the follow up drops. Yep,sorry to say,an American officer in bOY Brownings HQ staff made the ultimate mistake of taking the full plans of Op Market Garden,times,units,orders etc, into battle with him. This was contrary to all orders,when his glider was shot out of the skies these plans fell into german hands with the obvious results.


Thats about the crux of it isnt it Franek,the lads on the ground,British,American,Poles,fought like tigers only to be let down by their high commands.

History / Operation Market Garden, what went wrong? [68]


My apologies then old bean...


Why do I need to "face upto " anything me old china? 10,000 BRITISH troops were "abandoned" too buddy. Dont try and paint it as though us nasty Brits left the por old Poles in the lurch because we didnt like them coz they smelled of mushrooms.....

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Didnt know you were Austrian EB !!

History / Operation Market Garden, what went wrong? [68]


No,do tell.....
Funny Franek,you try and divide the British and Polish veterens,aint gonna work mate,the veterens groups I worked with had as many Poles as Brits in them......They fought and died side by side you silly old plum....

History / Operation Market Garden, what went wrong? [68]


after swimming the lower rhine to come to the aid of the british at Oosterbeek,probably not....

( i know we shouldnt feed the troll,but can I just say,FCUK OFF BACK TO YOUR HOLE TURD BREATH!!!)

History / Operation Market Garden, what went wrong? [68]


Okay then,heres a couple of photos I took there a while back.The lady is the daughter of Kate Ter Host the old gentleman is her(kates) husband,Dr Ter Host,since sadly passed away.

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History / Operation Market Garden, what went wrong? [68]

Yep Franek,I see your falling back on the old "lets blame Horraks and XXX corp". Lets see what the Armour was up against shall we? Traveling up a single lane raised highway,facing entrenched german 88s. The road was on avarge a few meters above the level of the surrounding country side,which,incidently was swampy marsh land.

Sorry,dont judge a battle by a HOLLYWOOD movie...in A Bridge Too Far we see the gallant Yanks (and,dont get me wrong the 505 boys were heros) take the Nijmagen bridge all by themselves,when,point of fact,the first to cross the bridge were GDs Armd shermans...

History / Operation Market Garden, what went wrong? [68]


Market,the airborne wing, Garden,the ground forces...


Er,it already was,he had only just relinqueshed control of ALL ground forces in western europe.


SHEAF wanted a "broad front " strategy,ie,couldnt make its mind up where to strike.


Yes,and if Patton hadnt stolen huge amounts of supplies there would have been a good chance of succes.

History / Operation Market Garden, what went wrong? [68]

Give him a couple of years ;)

Heres the bigman

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History / Operation Market Garden, what went wrong? [68]


Dont worry franek,we europeans are used to you guys being late for the party ....:)


er,the film was too SHORT....and,re ryan o neil, he was a bit old but the worst thing was that bloody awfull post war french helmet he wore....

History / Operation Market Garden, what went wrong? [68]

It kinda started that way in another thread :) Franek challenged me to "read up about Market Garden" I failed to tell him that Ive worked with the Arnhem veterens associations since my early teens,have visited Arnhem on numerous occasions,taken part in the memorials there,had a couple of relatives in the battle,and ,frankly,am a bit of a nerd/egg head when it comes to this particular subject :)

History / Operation Market Garden, what went wrong? [68]

Too many objectives,not enough resources. Patton wanted all the fuel for his own personal glory crusade...
Not enough transport planes,if more troops had been dropped on the first day things would have turned out differently.
Also,like wb said, the allies underestimated the strenght of the opposition they faced. Not to mention the fact that an SS officer traing regiment was on exercise a couple of miles from the drop zones,between them and Arnhem.

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not very bright are you .....


sure enough,lets Nuke Russia then,as it has europes largest population........

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lmao,is this the latest word from the BNP then? Your laughable buddy....your from the UK,you dont speak any Polish and have no interests.....hhhmmm,must say ,lets all follow your shinning example....whats the matter,your g/f dump you for a soul brother?

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Most of these supervisors are other Poles though arnt they?

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I'll be honest mate, apart from what I highlighted above( communist v republican) mI ,try as I might,couldnt see anything controversial,or indead off topic,if you take into acount the fact that the SCW was pretty much the prologue of ww2...

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No it doesnt....it just means they dont have to rely on 1970s meatheads in this world.....

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lol,try ad find an "English" person in London these days.......sorry to burst your parasitical whinging bubble "andrew" but check out da names of the savages doing the stabbing and 95% of the victims.....coughsomaliicough.....


Yep, just what I was thinking......

History / Jews-Officers in the Polish Armed Forces 1939-1945 [52]


er,no,fighting for REPUBLICAN Spain...........against a Fascist renagade who used muslim semi savages from North Africa to rape its way across Spain....

hey,come on guys(admin/whoever) the Spannish civil war has far more to do with ww2 than most of the Guff thats been left in this thread......Put Joes post back in guys eh....

USA, Canada / Why aren't Polish people immigrating to Canada instead of the UK? [148]


blah blah......who am I "andrew"? we know what you are,some Pole ,come to the UK to get what you can out of it,at the same time as slagging it off and then asuming that Canadians like people like you......muppet.

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and Canada :)
Do you guys really want a moaning parasite aboot your parts ? ;)

USA, Canada / Why aren't Polish people immigrating to Canada instead of the UK? [148]


yeah,not the whole friggin UK you muppet......If I judged Poland by Praga youd be pissed off wouldnt you.....

USA, Canada / Why aren't Polish people immigrating to Canada instead of the UK? [148]


But its good enough for you to come here and get a probably tax payer subsidised LGV licence.....heres the thing "andrew" fek off and good ridence to a parasite.


should a ducked then :)

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Glad you put the lol in or the irony may have passed us by :)

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Thing is though,as far as "russians" ( "ed coz I obviously dont speak for all of em) Dignity is exactly what Putin brought to Russia. Compare Putins strong silent outdoors type to the drunken buffoon they used to have as leader. Putin or yeltsin....you decide :)

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simple, Scottish overseers "allowed " black slaves to take part in their church services where highland plainsong was the style of hyms. This mutated into Gospal,which produced blues,jazz etc etc...so ,Black culture is actually Scottish :)

Funny,Ive spotted some things I can relate to here. I usd to date a black girl,no white or black guys batted an eyelid,my black mate dated lots of white girls,ditto,only people with the problems were other black girls...go figure :)

On that note,anyone noticed that Denzel never has a thang with white actresses in his movies? Reason for this is that in the one film where he did it caused an outcry from some "sisters" group !

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Yeah,but Derby?!?!

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OMG,stop,my sides are just recovering from ski's lecture vis a vis Britain should learn multi culturalism from Poland :)