Return PolishForums LIVE
  PolishForums Archive :
Archives - 2005-2009 / History  % width 25

Zygmunt Szendzielarz, Polish Innocence


ConstantineK 26 | 1389  
31 Mar 2008 /  #1
Zygmunt Szendzielarz (also known as "£upaszko"; March 12, 1910 - February 8, 1951) was a Polish commander of the 5th Vilnian Home Army Brigade.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zygmunt_Szendzielarz
joepilsudski 26 | 1388  
31 Mar 2008 /  #3
Looks like he was a Polish patriot.
VaFunkoolo 6 | 654  
31 Mar 2008 /  #4
The neutrality of this article is disputed.
Lukasz 49 | 1746  
31 Mar 2008 /  #5
ConstantineK

ConstatntineK what are you trying to show, that your Russian ancestors isntead of liberating Poland were murdering Polish soldiers who fought against Nazis ? This post shows how it was durring communism. And some people (like Istahu) will think twice before they will start to tell stories about liberation by Soviets ...

Thank you Constantine, good post.
Harry  
31 Mar 2008 /  #6
...and...?

You must have missed the bit about ordering the massacre of Lithuanian civilians.
Lukasz 49 | 1746  
31 Mar 2008 /  #7
why before the WWII Poles were smashing majority in Wilno and now they are small miniority, how it has happend ?

The fact that Brits are ....gs. Who wants to go to china so strong ... to see opening ceremony ? Brits ... even Germans don't go there ...
Magdalena 3 | 1835  
31 Mar 2008 /  #8
You must have missed the bit about ordering the massacre of Lithuanian civilians.

No, I have not missed it, but I do not see any sense in posting this info with a heading like "Polish Innocence". War is war, and (extremely) nasty things happen. Otherwise, we would need to post similar threads with titles like "Jewish Innocence" - Koniuchy, Naliboki (my ancestors were directly involved on the victim side), "American Innocence" (Hiroshima, Nagasaki), "Allies Innocence" (Dresden, Hamburg) etc. etc.

"Between 20-27 Lithuanians were shot in Dubingiai on 23 June, 1944, during World War II by a local Armia Krajowa unit.[1][2] The crime was supposed to be a retaliation by the Polish commander for an earlier massacre of Polish villagers in Glitiškės by colaborationist Lithuanian police" - from en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubingiai

- seems like war is not a clean-cut thing at all, at all. Which does not make it any less terrible.

Rather than discussing who was "innocent" or not, I would rather discuss the choices people had / hadn't when in the army and trying to fight the good fight within constantly shifting borders and changing political alliances, as was the case in the Polish Kresy at that time. Mistakes were made - and paid for, in blood.
OP ConstantineK 26 | 1389  
1 Apr 2008 /  #9
No, I have not missed it, but I do not see any sense in posting this info with a heading like "Polish Innocence". War is war, and (extremely) nasty things happen.

It was supposed that "Polish "Innocence"". It is rather curious, if Russians kill Poles it is regarded as genocide, when Poles are kiling somebody it is stated only as "war is war".
Magdalena 3 | 1835  
1 Apr 2008 /  #10
Have you read my post? I said it makes no sense in trying to find out who was more "innocent" in a war (regardless of nationality). Apart from the fact that the Russians did kill considerably larger numbers, and were the aggressors, sorry but it's simply true. Check your history books.
OP ConstantineK 26 | 1389  
4 Apr 2008 /  #11
ConstantineK:
It is rather curious, if Russians kill Poles it is regarded as genocide, when Poles are kiling somebody it is stated only as "war is war".
Have you read my post? I said it makes no sense in trying to find out who was more "innocent" in a war (regardless of nationality). Apart from the fact that the Russians did kill considerably larger numbers, and were the aggressors, sorry but it's simply true. Check your history books.

Oh my God!!! Why are you (western people) always trying to send us to check the history textbooks if only our oppinion is differed from yours? Are you so fully confident in your own knowlages or it is just self-conceit?
Magdalena 3 | 1835  
4 Apr 2008 /  #12
Are you so fully confident in your own knowlages or it is just self-conceit?

17 September 1939. Discuss.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6146  
4 Apr 2008 /  #13
It is rather curious, if Russians kill Poles it is regarded as genocide, when Poles are kiling somebody it is stated only as "war is war".

LOL ! So you posted a long article about a Polish war hero full of info about Soviet crimes just because there's mentioned some massacre without any evidences ?
Krzysztof 2 | 973  
4 Apr 2008 /  #14
Check your history books

LOL, Magda you must have forgotten how the Russians write "history" in their (school) books.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6146  
4 Apr 2008 /  #15
True. I didn't think about It earlier but maybe the guy's problem is that he escaped from train to Katyń, didn't surrender to "Soviet partisans" or NKVD...
OP ConstantineK 26 | 1389  
6 Apr 2008 /  #16
ConstantineK:
Are you so fully confident in your own knowlages or it is just self-conceit?

17 September 1939. Discuss.

War is war...besides, there was german's pistols "Walter"
Magdalena 3 | 1835  
6 Apr 2008 /  #17
I don't get your drift. I thought you wanted to give me your side of the story? I'm interested, I am waiting...
OP ConstantineK 26 | 1389  
9 Jul 2008 /  #18
ConstantineK:
War is war...besides, there was german's pistols "Walter"
I don't get your drift. I thought you wanted to give me your side of the story? I'm interested, I am waiting...

Sure enough, it was german's bullets which killed Polish soldiers, not Russian....
southern 73 | 7071  
9 Jul 2008 /  #19
it was german's bullets which killed

Have the bullets been punished?
OP ConstantineK 26 | 1389  
9 Jul 2008 /  #20
ConstantineK:
it was german's bullets which killed

Have the bullets been punished?

Who cares? They were germany made, hence they are responsible!
southern 73 | 7071  
9 Jul 2008 /  #21
They were germany made, hence they are responsible!

I think the guilty has been found.
celinski 31 | 1258  
9 Jul 2008 /  #23
Why are you (western people)

maybe because we were the European people before Stalin took care of us.

"War is war...besides, there was german's pistols "Walter""

No if you were in the east it was Soviet gun's German bombs.
OP ConstantineK 26 | 1389  
10 Jul 2008 /  #24
maybe because we were the European people before Stalin took care of us.

Europe needs some arrangements to prevent overpopulation.
isthatu2 4 | 2694  
10 Jul 2008 /  #25
Who cares? They were germany made, hence they are responsible!

not very bright are you .....

Europe needs some arrangements to prevent overpopulation.

sure enough,lets Nuke Russia then,as it has europes largest population........

Archives - 2005-2009 / History / Zygmunt Szendzielarz, Polish InnocenceArchived