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Jews-Officers in the Polish Armed Forces 1939-1945


ski 7 | 140  
28 Jun 2008 /  #1
According to the book's author, nearly 200,000 Polish Jews fought against Nazi Germany in the ranks of the Polish Armies on Polish soil and in exile.

Originally published by the Association of Jewish War Veterans of Polish Armies in Israel.

avotaynu.com/books/PolishOfficers.htm

What do you think about that ? It isn't well known fact. Jews were killed in Katyn too.
szkotja2007 27 | 1,499  
28 Jun 2008 /  #2
What do you think about that ?

I think this thread is going straight to page 10.
OP ski 7 | 140  
28 Jun 2008 /  #3
Check our foreign affairs ministers after 1989.

Bronislaw Geremek

Adam Rotfeld

Stefan Meller

All with Polish Jews origin, like me. They are Polish. All doing good job. You should be happy that so many Jews want to be Poles.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163  
28 Jun 2008 /  #4
All doing good job.

Especially Gieremek...
pawian 171 | 12,080  
28 Jun 2008 /  #5
What do you think about that ? It isn't well known fact. Jews were killed in Katyn too.

Yes, I read that about 10% of the Polish officer corps executed in Katyn were Jews.

Do you know if there is a monument or at least seperate gravesites to mark the Polish Jews participation in WW2 (apart from Ghetto Rising monument in Warsaw) ?

I know about some Jewish soldiers` sites in Poland but.....

this one is from WW1

and this one is in the military cemetery of the British Commonwealth in Krakow.
OP ski 7 | 140  
28 Jun 2008 /  #6
http://www.zchor.org/meirtchak/tank3.jpg]jerusalem

PRO MEMORIA
Military Cem. Mount Herzl Jerusalem
lesser 4 | 1,311  
28 Jun 2008 /  #7
All doing good job.

I don't think so.

You should be happy that so many Jews want to be Poles.

I don't spend much o time thinking about how some people consider themselves.
eric_the_nave - | 30  
28 Jun 2008 /  #8
I remember seeing a bit of the movie "Uprising" where it claims incorrectly and irrelevantly (comparing apples and oranges) that the Warsaw Ghetto uprising lasted longer than the German seige of Poland. I wondered if the producers were aware that by claiming the Polish army's performance was worse than it was that they were also slamming the efforts of over 100,000 Jews at all levels of the military.

There does not actually seem to be much interest in Jews who fought alongside Poles, though apparently there were more Jews involved in the Warsaw Uprising of 1944 than the Warsaw Ghetto uprising of 1943.
joepilsudski 26 | 1,389  
28 Jun 2008 /  #9
What do you think about that ? It isn't well known fact. Jews were killed in Katyn too.

A good post... I learned something...there were many patriotic Jewish Poles.
OP ski 7 | 140  
28 Jun 2008 /  #10
I don't spend much o time thinking about how some people consider themselves.

Mine ancestors have moved here 600 years ago, I'm Polish as hell.

I don't think so.

What is your opinion about Rotfeld negotiations with Russia?

I remember seeing a bit of the movie "Uprising" where it claims incorrectly and irrelevantly (comparing apples and oranges) that the Warsaw Ghetto uprising lasted longer than the German seige of Poland.

There is huge progress and changes in showing the same events from different perspectives. Hopefuly we are closer and closer to each other.
lesser 4 | 1,311  
29 Jun 2008 /  #11
Mine ancestors have moved here 600 years ago, I'm Polish as hell.

So what? It seems to me that you demand some special recognition. Somehow the rest of Poles should be happy and grateful that you consider yourself Polish.

What is your opinion about Rotfeld negotiations with Russia?

You write about the times when Kwasniewski needed to wait half an hour in front of Putin cabinet till Russian president mercifully let him in? "Our" politicians did nothing to improve Polish-Russian relations.
OP ski 7 | 140  
29 Jun 2008 /  #12
So what? It seems to me that you demand some special recognition. Somehow the rest of Poles should be happy and grateful that you consider yourself Polish.

I don't need special recognition.

You write about the times when Kwasniewski needed to wait half an hour in front of Putin cabinet till Russian president mercifully let him in? "Our" politicians did nothing to improve Polish-Russian relations.

That's why we need US shield. *wings* :P

Why you are talking about Kwasniewski ? By the way he isn't Jew.

Personaly I am fan of people like Wildstein.

I have been talking about new Rotfeld negotiations with Russia. Museum, hostpital maybe small compensations for Katyn vicitimes. Everything for Poland everything on Russians cost.
Puzzy 1 | 150  
29 Jun 2008 /  #13
How about the number of Jews in the Stalinist 'security' apparatus responsible for the torture and murder of countless Poles?
OP ski 7 | 140  
29 Jun 2008 /  #14
How about Dzierzynski - Sword of revolution. Native Polish nobleman.
Piorun - | 658  
29 Jun 2008 /  #15
But Is He?
The organized Polish Communist movement was founded on December 16, 1918, when the PPS Lewica (the left faction of the Polish Socialist party) merged with the SDKPiL (Social Democracy of the Kingdom of Poland and Lithuania) to form the KPRP (Communist Workers' Party of Poland)

The general ideological outlook of the thus created Polish Communist party was to a large degree influenced by the ideological positions inherited with the theoreticians and leaders of the SDKPiL.

The leading figures here were Rosa Luxemburg, Leon Jogiches (Tyszko), Adolf Warszawski (Warski), Karol Sobelson (Radek), Jozef Unschlicht (Jurowski), Marcin Kasprzak, Julian Leszczynski (Lenski), Jakob Firstenberg (Hanecki), Julian Marchlewski (Karski), and Feliks Dzierzynski

Of these ten leaders, seven were Jewish, nine belonged to the intelligentsia, and only one, Kasprzak, was an "authentic" worker. Do You Know Who is Who?
Puzzy 1 | 150  
29 Jun 2008 /  #16
How about Dzierzynski - Sword of revolution. Native Polish nobleman.

- Why when I mention Jews-Stalinists you are asking about Dzierzynski? In order to distract from the uncomfortable for you topic?

Dzierzynski was a Russianised Polonophobe, a traitor of Poland. I've never found any evidence of him joining the Bolsheviks for Poland and Poles.

So Dzerzynski is just ONE prominent 'Pole' among the genocidal commies.

And now how about the numerous Jews in the Stalinist 'security' apparatus?
Matyjasz 2 | 1,544  
29 Jun 2008 /  #17
How about the number of Jews in the Stalinist 'security' apparatus responsible for the torture and murder of countless Poles?

Ski mentions Polish Jews fighting for Poland in WWII and you spring out with Jews responsible for torture of countless Poles? Whats that all about?
lesser 4 | 1,311  
29 Jun 2008 /  #18
Why you are talking about Kwasniewski ? By the way he isn't Jew.

I care less how he consider himself. Rotfeld was foreign minister in the same time when Kwasniewski was a president. They both were responsible also for Polish "eastern" policy.

Ski mentions Polish Jews fighting for Poland in WWII and you spring out with Jews responsible for torture of countless Poles? Whats that all about?

It reminds me reaction of some American Jews when they read about Poles who saved Jews.
eric_the_nave - | 30  
29 Jun 2008 /  #19
How about starting a new thread on Jews in Communist secret police or whatever and leaving this one to discuss Jews who fought alongside the Poles. I'm guessing there are a lot more Jews in the later category.

It is interesting that both anti-semites and Polonophobes don't like talking about Jews fighting alongside Poles. The former because it means that Jews fought and died to protect Poland, the latter because it means that Poles weren't anti-semitic enough to stop Jews joining the army and progressing to the rank of officer.
isthatu2 4 | 2,704  
29 Jun 2008 /  #20
lesser

Puzzy

grow up and take your pathetic bigotry someplace else....

Thread title;
Jews-Officers in the Polish Armed Forces 1939-1945
see that,1939-1945.....not some old commies who came later,alongside plenty of non jewish commies in case your forgeting. Once again I get the suspision pizzy is actually a former party flunky desperatly trying to prove something.....
lesser 4 | 1,311  
29 Jun 2008 /  #21
isthatu2

Your post show only your lack of knowledge of Polish politics. You don't even realize that person who started this thread went off-topic itself and thus my later comment was justified.

Also I'm curious how long it take you to finally understand that I'm not a nationalist...
isthatu2 4 | 2,704  
29 Jun 2008 /  #22
Your post show only your lack of knowledge of Polish politics.

WTF? Its got fcuk all to do with politics,its got everything to do with the usual boring fcukers with an axe to grind slagging off every Jew just because a few of them were commies,fcuking pathetic. Like someone else said,if you want to slag off jewish commies post or pre war,start another thread,leave this one to discusing wartime situations.

Also I'm curious how long it take you to finally understand that I'm not a nationalist...

no,your neither nationalist or humanist,you are a you ist as far as most people can tell,as long as everything runs for your benafit and to your ideas the world is fine n dandy.
lesser 4 | 1,311  
29 Jun 2008 /  #23
Look, it appears that ski and myself already explained to ourself our points. This is just you the one who is writing rubbish in some British street slang and misinterpreting my posting. Get over it.
OP ski 7 | 140  
29 Jun 2008 /  #24
Jewish Poles could mention many events with anti-semite background.
Maybe we should concentrate on positive sides of our multicultural state.

Brygady Bartoszowe ? Jewish units supporting Polish independence.
Jewish voluntary soldliers in all Polish up-rises.

1794

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berek_Joselewicz

Berek Joselewicz (1764-1809) was a Jewish-Polish merchant and a colonel of the Polish Army during the Kościuszko Uprising. Joselewicz commanded the first Jewish military formation in modern history

1830
Warsaw Jewish Guards in Polish up-rise.

powstanie

1863
The closest relationship in history. Majority of Polish society supports being equal. Several mixed marriages. Masive Jewish support for this up-rise. Jewish community organise international help form Jewish diaspora - weapons.

jstor.org/pss/3622458

1920
Jewish volutary Units in Polish-Bolshevik war.

1939- read main topic here

1989

Tadeusz Mazowiecki - first PM in free Poland ( of Jewish decent)
pawian 171 | 12,080  
29 Jun 2008 /  #25
Mazowiecki was Jewish? I thought it was right wing propaganda...
isthatu2 4 | 2,704  
30 Jun 2008 /  #26
British street slang

Its called English,the language YOU have to speak for anyone to understand........

misinterpreting my posting

For shame that I should be under the immpresion you are a bigot and sort of obsesed with digging up any teeny bit of dirt on anyone or anything Jewish,how on earth could I have been so mistaken about your good and balanced self?
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
30 Jun 2008 /  #27
Does it matter if he is Jewish?
OP ski 7 | 140  
30 Jun 2008 /  #28
Mazowiecki was Jewish? I thought it was right wing propaganda...

Mazowiecki ? Poznanski ? Gdański ? Warszawski ? He is fully assimialted Polish Jew unfortunately he isn't practising Jew who goes to snagogue.
pawian 171 | 12,080  
30 Jun 2008 /  #29
Strange, because Mazowiecki has always been a confirmed Catholic, since 1950s.
OP ski 7 | 140  
30 Jun 2008 /  #30
It depends if you are talking about faith or ethinic group...

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