z_darius
7 Jan 2008
Language / Share Perfective and Imperfective Polish verbs [105]
Where does it say they have to be in the past?
Where does it say they have to be in the past?
z_darius
7 Jan 2008
Language / Share Perfective and Imperfective Polish verbs [105]
Who said perfective verb only cover past completed actions?
Can you quote?
so how can a perfective verb only cover past completed actions?
Who said perfective verb only cover past completed actions?
Can you quote?
z_darius
7 Jan 2008
Language / What language do you like better, Polish or English? [71]
Yes, 1066 is an easy point in time to use as a point of reference but the process was a little longer than that. For a century or two there were two parallel language "cultures" so to speak. The court and the nobility spoke what was rather French, while the masses were still speaking OE. The mutual penetration of the two (with the French having the upper hand) is pretty well documented.
The 'magic' year in the development of English, that is, in terms of unstoppable influx of foreign words into native Anglo-Saxon, was of course 1066 AD - the Norman Conquest - when the English language received, so to say, it's greatest injection of French, i.e. Latin, vocabulary.
Yes, 1066 is an easy point in time to use as a point of reference but the process was a little longer than that. For a century or two there were two parallel language "cultures" so to speak. The court and the nobility spoke what was rather French, while the masses were still speaking OE. The mutual penetration of the two (with the French having the upper hand) is pretty well documented.
z_darius
7 Jan 2008
History / Jewish love towards Poles [389]
My bad. I posted before my first cup of coffee. I must have gotten carried away.
Apologies.
My bad. I posted before my first cup of coffee. I must have gotten carried away.
Apologies.
z_darius
7 Jan 2008
Language / "sorry" instead of "przepraszam" [76]
Michal would have to check in a dictionary what a neologism is.
All that he needs to know is that people are reading his vile posts and scrutinizing his ignorance. That may help him put away that mirror of his that made him fall in love with himself. Eventually, he may even learn something, albeit the progress has been slow so far - normally typical of persons with an IQ in the upper two digits.
I am on this forum for about a week and I have already noticed that Michal often writes what he thinks and what has nothing to do with the reality. How dare you say we have no respect to our culture and language! do you know all polish people?? stop generalizing everything! Do young english or americans don't change english words? Are there no neologisms or slang in english??
Michal would have to check in a dictionary what a neologism is.
All that he needs to know is that people are reading his vile posts and scrutinizing his ignorance. That may help him put away that mirror of his that made him fall in love with himself. Eventually, he may even learn something, albeit the progress has been slow so far - normally typical of persons with an IQ in the upper two digits.
z_darius
7 Jan 2008
History / Jewish love towards Poles [389]
No particular expertise is needed here. We're talking grade 6 history classes, or perhaps Grade 10 if you want a little more detail. Jews were not invited to Poland at the end of middle ages but in the first part of the 13th century, although they have lived there a century or two before that. Every part of Europe was as feudal at the time as any other.
You are correct. That was true of all countries where Jews lived. Well, maybe some exceptions applied. When in the early parts of the 20th century, till 1939 Jews enjoyed equality and were at the forefront of Polish intelligentsia and the academic world, they were not welcomed in the likes of Harvard of Yale. Those noble schools had quota limiting how many Jews could study there. As a matter of fact, those anti-Jewish quota existed till late 1960's in some American universities. Jews, Blacks and Poles were in the same basket in the great US of A until Martin Luther King (not ADL or Polish American Congress) decided to do something about it.
The Catholic Church demonized Jews. Polish Catholic Church was a part of it. Did you ever come close to reading about the Spanish Catholic Church? German? French? Same difference, only far more lethal for Jews than in Poland.
There was no Poland and Russia. There was Russia and Poland was occupied by Russia. The laws under which Poles lived then were set by the Russians, not Poles. Were there antisemitic sentiments? Sure. It's so easy to find a culprit in a Jew for pretty much all maladies of a country. The entire Western Europe did it. Russians found a way of doing it in Poland too.
Now you've revealed your ignorance on the subject of your own people. There were no hundreds of thousands of Jews in Poland after WW2. If you want to study the history of your nation please do it honestly. Use historic material, not some kibbutz gossip.
So what? What kind of argument is that?
No love for Jews in Poland and yet Jews survived there for over 800 years. The West loved Jews and yet Jews left for Poland. Go figure. With the friends like the West who needs enemies, eh?
Oh, and a question to you: did Jews come to Poland for the love of the country or its people?
I'm no expert, but my impression is that society in Eastern europe in the end of the middle ages was more feudal than western europe, so the middle class was less developed. The Jews filled a need, which was good for both poland and the jews.
No particular expertise is needed here. We're talking grade 6 history classes, or perhaps Grade 10 if you want a little more detail. Jews were not invited to Poland at the end of middle ages but in the first part of the 13th century, although they have lived there a century or two before that. Every part of Europe was as feudal at the time as any other.
But that doesn't mean that the common people welcomed the Jews. Most people don't like foreigners moving in in large numbers, and neither did Polish people. So to say that Poland was nice to the Jews is true of the kings and some of the nobility, but not necessarily true of the common people.
You are correct. That was true of all countries where Jews lived. Well, maybe some exceptions applied. When in the early parts of the 20th century, till 1939 Jews enjoyed equality and were at the forefront of Polish intelligentsia and the academic world, they were not welcomed in the likes of Harvard of Yale. Those noble schools had quota limiting how many Jews could study there. As a matter of fact, those anti-Jewish quota existed till late 1960's in some American universities. Jews, Blacks and Poles were in the same basket in the great US of A until Martin Luther King (not ADL or Polish American Congress) decided to do something about it.
But the teachings of the Polish catholic church demonized Jews in the popular imagination and also contributed to anti-Jewish feeling.
The Catholic Church demonized Jews. Polish Catholic Church was a part of it. Did you ever come close to reading about the Spanish Catholic Church? German? French? Same difference, only far more lethal for Jews than in Poland.
And they also streamed out of Poland and Russia from the 1880s onward.
There was no Poland and Russia. There was Russia and Poland was occupied by Russia. The laws under which Poles lived then were set by the Russians, not Poles. Were there antisemitic sentiments? Sure. It's so easy to find a culprit in a Jew for pretty much all maladies of a country. The entire Western Europe did it. Russians found a way of doing it in Poland too.
fter WWI, polish policy toward Jews drove hundreds of thousands of Polish Jews to the west.
Now you've revealed your ignorance on the subject of your own people. There were no hundreds of thousands of Jews in Poland after WW2. If you want to study the history of your nation please do it honestly. Use historic material, not some kibbutz gossip.
The continuity of Jewish civilization in poland for so many centuries is not due to the love of Poland for all things Jewish.
So what? What kind of argument is that?
No love for Jews in Poland and yet Jews survived there for over 800 years. The West loved Jews and yet Jews left for Poland. Go figure. With the friends like the West who needs enemies, eh?
Oh, and a question to you: did Jews come to Poland for the love of the country or its people?
z_darius
7 Jan 2008
Life / New Polish I.D. card. [Dowód Osobisty] - big fine if you don't apply [55]
I didn't say that.
Don't panic :))
so polish living outside poland have to apply?
I didn't say that.
Don't panic :))
z_darius
7 Jan 2008
Life / Internet connection with MAC computer in Poland [11]
All the info you need: docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106796#ono
You will still need all the connection parameters (if any) from your ISP.
All the info you need: docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106796#ono
You will still need all the connection parameters (if any) from your ISP.
z_darius
7 Jan 2008
Life / New Polish I.D. card. [Dowód Osobisty] - big fine if you don't apply [55]
Did anyone here living outside of Poland apply for the new ID card in the local consulates? Any experiences to share?
Did anyone here living outside of Poland apply for the new ID card in the local consulates? Any experiences to share?
z_darius
7 Jan 2008
History / Jewish love towards Poles [389]
I don't think the word "developing" can be applied to Middle ages as it is applied today. Technology and agriculture were pretty much uniform throughoout Europe at the time. The same manual ways for centuries. People emigrate because there is a promise of money or freedom. Somehow I don't see Jews, or any other nationalities for that matter, emigratin en masse to any of the African countries which certainly are classified as developing ones. Jews moved to Poland because Poland's laws guaranteed to them condition they could have not even dream about in Western Europe.
The Church was the Church, not a country. Its politices were pretty similar in all of Europe, except that in Poland the kings overrode some of the most harmful ones and thus allowed Jews to survive for centuries. You can't use the policies of Rome (strongly dominanted by German Emperors) against Polish Church specifically.
That started when Poland lost independence and laws of the land were no longer decided by Poles. Although not commendable, this is a fairly common behavior for nations struggling with their identity being endangered by foreigners. Look at the attitude of some Brits on this forum in the light of very strong Polish presence in their country. Also, don't forget to look at your own country where a sginificant part of Israel's non-Jewish population has been expelled from its territories and at best marginalized.
And yet they left their ancestral lands when Romans told them so. They left Spain when they were asked to adopt Christianity or burn at the stake. They left Germany, France, England when they were persecuted. They streamed out of Nazi Germany when conditions went bad. I don't think you have a strong case here.
When eastern europe was developing the kings wanted Jews to come because it gave them an instant middle class of traders business people and craftsmen.
I don't think the word "developing" can be applied to Middle ages as it is applied today. Technology and agriculture were pretty much uniform throughoout Europe at the time. The same manual ways for centuries. People emigrate because there is a promise of money or freedom. Somehow I don't see Jews, or any other nationalities for that matter, emigratin en masse to any of the African countries which certainly are classified as developing ones. Jews moved to Poland because Poland's laws guaranteed to them condition they could have not even dream about in Western Europe.
The church felt threatened or scandalized by the presence of Jews. So Poland was officially good to the Jews in the early centuries, but that doesn't mean that the Poles liked the Jews.
The Church was the Church, not a country. Its politices were pretty similar in all of Europe, except that in Poland the kings overrode some of the most harmful ones and thus allowed Jews to survive for centuries. You can't use the policies of Rome (strongly dominanted by German Emperors) against Polish Church specifically.
and Poles lived "side by side" like two families living in the same house, speaking different languages and following different religions. As the much smaller of the two families, the Jews got kicked around. Particularly when Polish national consciousness grew and excluded the Jews of Poland.
That started when Poland lost independence and laws of the land were no longer decided by Poles. Although not commendable, this is a fairly common behavior for nations struggling with their identity being endangered by foreigners. Look at the attitude of some Brits on this forum in the light of very strong Polish presence in their country. Also, don't forget to look at your own country where a sginificant part of Israel's non-Jewish population has been expelled from its territories and at best marginalized.
So why did Jews stay in Poland if it was so bad there? Out of interia. People generally stay in the place they were born no matter the conditions.
And yet they left their ancestral lands when Romans told them so. They left Spain when they were asked to adopt Christianity or burn at the stake. They left Germany, France, England when they were persecuted. They streamed out of Nazi Germany when conditions went bad. I don't think you have a strong case here.
z_darius
7 Jan 2008
Language / Share Perfective and Imperfective Polish verbs [105]
Michal, you have little understanding of perfective aspect, not tense, which in Polish is called "aspekt dokonany". Study what you yap about before you ridicule yourself, yet again.
Michal, you have little understanding of perfective aspect, not tense, which in Polish is called "aspekt dokonany". Study what you yap about before you ridicule yourself, yet again.
z_darius
6 Jan 2008
Language / Share Perfective and Imperfective Polish verbs [105]
LCzachor,
the thing is not so much on the nature of the verb itself but more on the context.
It is not so easy to put this into rules, so I'll try some examples.
- Wczoraj czytalem ksiazke (I was reading a book yesterday. Irrelevant whether I finished it or not. It is not known. The stress here is on what I was doing, and not on what I accomplished. A follow up question could be : "I przeczytales?". That clearly asks about the result of the act of reading.)
- W zeszlym roku zdawalem egzaminy na studia (Last year I was taking my college entrance exams. If I am a student now then it means that the act of taking the exams was complete, and that I was successful. If I am a private in the Polish army then it means I failed so the army got hold of me. The exams were not complete, i.e. I did not achieve the objective of taking exams which is passing them.
A friend of mine (a psychology student) would say jokingly:
Piec razy zdawalem na psychologie (I took entrance exams into psychology 5 times)
Za kazdym razem sie dostalem. (I passed each time)
1st sentence is imperfective and, because the action hapened 5 times it would appear that, 4 of the 5 times he failed. He must have passed the fifth time since he was a student at the time of the conversation.
2nd sentence is a little of a shock. He passed each time. Only that he was kicked out 4 times. The point is that before the 2nd sentence 4 incidents are assumed to be incomplete, imperfective. The second sentence changes that and we know that each of the attempts were actually successful and thus complete.
- Czy ty w ogole czytales Biblie? (Did you even read the Bible?. Here I am assuming a conversation between two people. One says something stupid and the other expresses his doubt wether the other person actually has read the Bible. All this despite the fact that "czytales" is imperfective. The person's answer would be also imperfective i.e. Oczywiscie, ze czytalem but that would mean that the act of reading was complete and the respondent is ready for further discussion.)
LCzachor,
the thing is not so much on the nature of the verb itself but more on the context.
It is not so easy to put this into rules, so I'll try some examples.
- Wczoraj czytalem ksiazke (I was reading a book yesterday. Irrelevant whether I finished it or not. It is not known. The stress here is on what I was doing, and not on what I accomplished. A follow up question could be : "I przeczytales?". That clearly asks about the result of the act of reading.)
- W zeszlym roku zdawalem egzaminy na studia (Last year I was taking my college entrance exams. If I am a student now then it means that the act of taking the exams was complete, and that I was successful. If I am a private in the Polish army then it means I failed so the army got hold of me. The exams were not complete, i.e. I did not achieve the objective of taking exams which is passing them.
A friend of mine (a psychology student) would say jokingly:
Piec razy zdawalem na psychologie (I took entrance exams into psychology 5 times)
Za kazdym razem sie dostalem. (I passed each time)
1st sentence is imperfective and, because the action hapened 5 times it would appear that, 4 of the 5 times he failed. He must have passed the fifth time since he was a student at the time of the conversation.
2nd sentence is a little of a shock. He passed each time. Only that he was kicked out 4 times. The point is that before the 2nd sentence 4 incidents are assumed to be incomplete, imperfective. The second sentence changes that and we know that each of the attempts were actually successful and thus complete.
- Czy ty w ogole czytales Biblie? (Did you even read the Bible?. Here I am assuming a conversation between two people. One says something stupid and the other expresses his doubt wether the other person actually has read the Bible. All this despite the fact that "czytales" is imperfective. The person's answer would be also imperfective i.e. Oczywiscie, ze czytalem but that would mean that the act of reading was complete and the respondent is ready for further discussion.)
z_darius
6 Jan 2008
Language / Share Perfective and Imperfective Polish verbs [105]
Yes
No
perfective = ended actions
Yes
imperfective = actions that are unfinished...
can i generalize for EVERY verb? or at least the majority?????? :)
can i generalize for EVERY verb? or at least the majority?????? :)
No
z_darius
6 Jan 2008
Language / Share Perfective and Imperfective Polish verbs [105]
Not necessarilly. Some actions may be assumed as completed even though a verb is imperfective.
I'd say imperfective verbs will be used for actions whose status of completeness is unknown/uncertain, assumed (from the context), irrelevant or indeterminate.
imperfective = not finished actions.... I mean <verb>+ing
Not necessarilly. Some actions may be assumed as completed even though a verb is imperfective.
I'd say imperfective verbs will be used for actions whose status of completeness is unknown/uncertain, assumed (from the context), irrelevant or indeterminate.
z_darius
6 Jan 2008
History / Jewish love towards Poles [389]
They flocked out of Poland? Really? Were these Polish laws they were escaping? You seem very selective in your interpretation of history. When that happens you can no longer consider yourself a student of history, but a pawn of propaganda.
First of all, Jews were invited to Poland much earlier than that. You are wrong by about 200 years. Second, Jews of Spain, England or Germany would have loved to have their own ghettos. They were not allowed to. I Poland they were allowed to live wherever they wanted. They enjoyed the same, and in some cases, better personal rights than native Poles of lower social strata.
Besides, I don't really understand your attacks on the alleged attrocities against Jews if you yourself cannot refrain from displaying such blatant anti-semitism.
from the mid/late 19th C Jews were flooding out of Poland to the UK,that carried on all through the first half of the 20thcentury as well.Many,if not most British Jews are descended from those who left the Pale and Poland because of constant pogroms and out and out anti semitic laws and people.
They flocked out of Poland? Really? Were these Polish laws they were escaping? You seem very selective in your interpretation of history. When that happens you can no longer consider yourself a student of history, but a pawn of propaganda.
Big deal,hundreds of years ago Kazmierz said,come live in our ghetto ,shame they were stuck there for most of the next few hundred years though isnt it.
First of all, Jews were invited to Poland much earlier than that. You are wrong by about 200 years. Second, Jews of Spain, England or Germany would have loved to have their own ghettos. They were not allowed to. I Poland they were allowed to live wherever they wanted. They enjoyed the same, and in some cases, better personal rights than native Poles of lower social strata.
Besides, I don't really understand your attacks on the alleged attrocities against Jews if you yourself cannot refrain from displaying such blatant anti-semitism.
z_darius
6 Jan 2008
Language / "sorry" instead of "przepraszam" [76]
You are suddenyl worried about that?
I remember you writing that Poles did not allow foreign words into Polish but actually stole them. You made exception for some vulgar words which, according to your pecular lingusitic theory, are purely Polish words, later imposed on neighboring nations, such as Russians.
Your take on the Polish language then is simple:
good and useful words - stolen from Russian
filth and vulgarities - native Polish words
The only person in this thread who lacks respect for Polish culture and langage is you.
You also display a blatant lack of undertstanding that languages are not closed systems. They interact and exchange vocabulary and concepts. You can try to present homegrown version of various aspects of lingusitics to a bum in a park, or some kids on the playground. Here you will alwyas find more than just one pair of eyes to scrutinize your idiotic comments.
The Poles lack any respect for their own culture and language and have allowed all sorts of new words in to their language.
You are suddenyl worried about that?
I remember you writing that Poles did not allow foreign words into Polish but actually stole them. You made exception for some vulgar words which, according to your pecular lingusitic theory, are purely Polish words, later imposed on neighboring nations, such as Russians.
Your take on the Polish language then is simple:
good and useful words - stolen from Russian
filth and vulgarities - native Polish words
The only person in this thread who lacks respect for Polish culture and langage is you.
You also display a blatant lack of undertstanding that languages are not closed systems. They interact and exchange vocabulary and concepts. You can try to present homegrown version of various aspects of lingusitics to a bum in a park, or some kids on the playground. Here you will alwyas find more than just one pair of eyes to scrutinize your idiotic comments.
z_darius
6 Jan 2008
z_darius
6 Jan 2008
History / Jewish love towards Poles [389]
Of course the attitudes were different. Few would dispute that.
Over the centuries most European Jews, having experienced too much persecution in Spain, France, Germany and rich England decided to live in poor Poland, Russia, Hungary and such.
Contrary to what is being said here,there is a DEFINATE DIFFERENCE of attitudes to Jewish people between east and west Europe,and there has been for a very long time,thankfully.
Of course the attitudes were different. Few would dispute that.
Over the centuries most European Jews, having experienced too much persecution in Spain, France, Germany and rich England decided to live in poor Poland, Russia, Hungary and such.
z_darius
6 Jan 2008
Language / "sorry" instead of "przepraszam" [76]
Not when you wrtie though, huh? ;)
when I speak english - I speak it properly.
Not when you wrtie though, huh? ;)
z_darius
6 Jan 2008
Language / Useful and the most common words in Polish [50]
How do we say "kokcielić" in English?
If you're looking for any particular word, just ask :)
How do we say "kokcielić" in English?
z_darius
6 Jan 2008
History / Jewish love towards Poles [389]
It's not like the US was so friendlt to the Jewish people. Not untill pretty recently anyway. Biggest thanks should go to Martin Luther King whose actions helped also non-Blacks (Jews and Poles among others), before they go to any particularly patriotic/nationalistic Jew or Pole.
Read the Satutes of Kalisz. Some Polish laws placed Jews over Polish catholics. Sure there were problems. There were problems between Poles and Jews, between Mazovians and Wielkopolans, Kaszubians and Malopolans etc. But compared to other European countries things were not so bad for Jews in Poland, until Poland's partitions in 1790's.
The Bible is not a historic record. It is a collage of historic facts, mixed with myths, legends and propaganda good for the times when they were written and used, but not now.
True, Jews have lived in the area since the times they exterminated or expelled the nations that had lived there before them, but that was a long, long time ago. Using your timeframe, Scotss could claim Poland, Germany, France as their ancestral lands. But then, Slavs could claim Berlin.
Agreed. Most are not religious and they do not cite the Bible daily. Its has been know to have happened lately though. Also, the influence of the Orthodox Jews in Israeli politics is still pretty damn important.
Why should I be happy with that?
The US was the choice for many, because it's a country not based on ethnicity.
It's not like the US was so friendlt to the Jewish people. Not untill pretty recently anyway. Biggest thanks should go to Martin Luther King whose actions helped also non-Blacks (Jews and Poles among others), before they go to any particularly patriotic/nationalistic Jew or Pole.
(Today Israel and Poland get along politically much better than Jews and Poles ever did within Poland.)
Read the Satutes of Kalisz. Some Polish laws placed Jews over Polish catholics. Sure there were problems. There were problems between Poles and Jews, between Mazovians and Wielkopolans, Kaszubians and Malopolans etc. But compared to other European countries things were not so bad for Jews in Poland, until Poland's partitions in 1790's.
The jewish claim to this land is based on our well-known historic connection with the land. The bible is the most widely known record of that and is believed by a large part of the world, so that's why we quote it.
The Bible is not a historic record. It is a collage of historic facts, mixed with myths, legends and propaganda good for the times when they were written and used, but not now.
True, Jews have lived in the area since the times they exterminated or expelled the nations that had lived there before them, but that was a long, long time ago. Using your timeframe, Scotss could claim Poland, Germany, France as their ancestral lands. But then, Slavs could claim Berlin.
Most israeli politicians and leaders are not religious. I wish they would cite the bible as often as you give them credit for.
Agreed. Most are not religious and they do not cite the Bible daily. Its has been know to have happened lately though. Also, the influence of the Orthodox Jews in Israeli politics is still pretty damn important.
And face it, if we weren't here, we might be in Poland, or the UK. So be happy we're here.
Why should I be happy with that?
z_darius
6 Jan 2008
Real Estate / Poland property boom over???? [54]
I compared property prices in Worclaw and Niagara Region in Ontario. Where I live the location is great. About one hour drive to Toronto (if someone feels like crowded metropoly) or 40 minutes to the US border (if someone has a knack for cheap goods and crazy checks at the border).
The other day I looked at property prices in Wroclaw. If I wanted to buy a place over there then the sale of my 260 sq. m. house with a decent size lot in Niagara would give me enough doe to buy a small (60 to 80 sq. m.) apartment.
It looks like going back to Poland is a little too expensive for me.
I compared property prices in Worclaw and Niagara Region in Ontario. Where I live the location is great. About one hour drive to Toronto (if someone feels like crowded metropoly) or 40 minutes to the US border (if someone has a knack for cheap goods and crazy checks at the border).
The other day I looked at property prices in Wroclaw. If I wanted to buy a place over there then the sale of my 260 sq. m. house with a decent size lot in Niagara would give me enough doe to buy a small (60 to 80 sq. m.) apartment.
It looks like going back to Poland is a little too expensive for me.
z_darius
6 Jan 2008
History / Jewish love towards Poles [389]
The "chose people" problem continues to this day on both sides of the crucifix. Israeli politicians cite the Bible as the docment giving them rights to pretty much anything they want to do (mostly refering to land raights though).
On the other side, the likes of G. Dubya Bush just can't shed that sermon-like rethoric and symbols from their speeches.
So, whoever criticizes the other side... well both deserve each other :)
The "chose people" problem continues to this day on both sides of the crucifix. Israeli politicians cite the Bible as the docment giving them rights to pretty much anything they want to do (mostly refering to land raights though).
On the other side, the likes of G. Dubya Bush just can't shed that sermon-like rethoric and symbols from their speeches.
So, whoever criticizes the other side... well both deserve each other :)
z_darius
6 Jan 2008
History / Jewish love towards Poles [389]
Some, and perhaps even a lot did - depending what "a lot" means. When they did assimilate it was usually forced. Spain, France, Germany, England were no Jewish loving nations at all. The myth of the Western love for and tollerance of the Jewish culture came pretty late in the game. If Jews living in those countries assimilated, they did so because of some local law that left them without many alternatives.
Most did not want to assimilate, so they left and kept on emigrating over the centiries, mostly to Poland where their assimilation wasn't such a great success story either. Living, by choice, in areas where 80%+ of population was Jewish they simply had no incentives to assimilate, so they didn't. Many didn't even speak Polish even though their families had lived in Poland for generations and most have always considered themselves a nation living within another host nation's terrotory.
About assimilation: Jews have tried that, particularly in Germany, where most Jews considered themselves german above all.
Some, and perhaps even a lot did - depending what "a lot" means. When they did assimilate it was usually forced. Spain, France, Germany, England were no Jewish loving nations at all. The myth of the Western love for and tollerance of the Jewish culture came pretty late in the game. If Jews living in those countries assimilated, they did so because of some local law that left them without many alternatives.
Most did not want to assimilate, so they left and kept on emigrating over the centiries, mostly to Poland where their assimilation wasn't such a great success story either. Living, by choice, in areas where 80%+ of population was Jewish they simply had no incentives to assimilate, so they didn't. Many didn't even speak Polish even though their families had lived in Poland for generations and most have always considered themselves a nation living within another host nation's terrotory.
z_darius
6 Jan 2008
Life / Bolek i Lolek [30]
A doggie then, eh? :)
I hate Bolek and Lolek. ...I think that they're queers
I think that Reksio is cuter
A doggie then, eh? :)
z_darius
5 Jan 2008
z_darius
5 Jan 2008
Language / "sorry" instead of "przepraszam" [76]
seretan, you need to go out more.
I heard and used "sorki" as earle as late 70's.
i ve never heard "sorki" it sounds like a food name "pierogi, zapiekanki" :)
seretan, you need to go out more.
I heard and used "sorki" as earle as late 70's.
z_darius
5 Jan 2008
History / Poland: we have an interesting history. [72]
Yes. It is an obvious fact, it is taught in Polish schools. At least it was when I lived there.
Liberum Veto lead to Poland's effective self-anihilation. It was probably the biggest mistake in Polish politics (other than not killing off all Teutons, or helping Vienna so soon)
Had it not been for the Liberum Veto Polish history would have probably been totally different
Yes. It is an obvious fact, it is taught in Polish schools. At least it was when I lived there.
Liberum Veto lead to Poland's effective self-anihilation. It was probably the biggest mistake in Polish politics (other than not killing off all Teutons, or helping Vienna so soon)
z_darius
4 Jan 2008
Language / What's the difference (verbs question)? [14]
That will depend on the context.
Example 1:
Q: Co zrobiłes wczoraj?
A: Przeczytałem "Hamleta". ( we know the person read the whole play, stress is on the completion of an action)
Example 2:
Q: Co robiłes wczoraj?
A: Czytałem "Hamleta". ( we don't know if the the person read the whole play, stress is on the nature of action, not on result)
Example 3:
Q: Czy czytałes "Hamleta"? (stress is on the result, even though the verb is imperfective)
A: Pewnie, ze czytałem (I have read and I know its content since in this context the respondent will usually assume that the question is about whether he/she now knows the content of the play)
Example 3 has English equivalents. For instance:
Q: What books were you reading at school last month.
A: We were reading Hamlet, King Lear and a few others by Shakespeare.
Here, just like in Polish, there is no clear indication whether the books were read in their entirety, but the assumption will be that in fact they were.
czytałem = I was reading
That will depend on the context.
Example 1:
Q: Co zrobiłes wczoraj?
A: Przeczytałem "Hamleta". ( we know the person read the whole play, stress is on the completion of an action)
Example 2:
Q: Co robiłes wczoraj?
A: Czytałem "Hamleta". ( we don't know if the the person read the whole play, stress is on the nature of action, not on result)
Example 3:
Q: Czy czytałes "Hamleta"? (stress is on the result, even though the verb is imperfective)
A: Pewnie, ze czytałem (I have read and I know its content since in this context the respondent will usually assume that the question is about whether he/she now knows the content of the play)
Example 3 has English equivalents. For instance:
Q: What books were you reading at school last month.
A: We were reading Hamlet, King Lear and a few others by Shakespeare.
Here, just like in Polish, there is no clear indication whether the books were read in their entirety, but the assumption will be that in fact they were.
z_darius
4 Jan 2008
Language / What language do you like better, Polish or English? [71]
One of the things that always made me smile is the frequent use of possesive pronouns in English. For instance:
I put my hand in my pocket.
Whose elese hand? Whose else pocket? Why say "my" if it is not unusual or critical to state an obviouse fact. If I were to "put my hand in his pocket" that's a different story. Not something you do everyday.
Still, of course, I will put my hand into someone's pocket. So, again, why say "my"?
If you "put your hand in his pocket" then I agree, the possesive pronouns make sense, even if the action doesn't.
One of the things that always made me smile is the frequent use of possesive pronouns in English. For instance:
I put my hand in my pocket.
Whose elese hand? Whose else pocket? Why say "my" if it is not unusual or critical to state an obviouse fact. If I were to "put my hand in his pocket" that's a different story. Not something you do everyday.
Still, of course, I will put my hand into someone's pocket. So, again, why say "my"?
If you "put your hand in his pocket" then I agree, the possesive pronouns make sense, even if the action doesn't.