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Poland: we have an interesting history.


vodka 1 | 38  
2 Jan 2008 /  #1
In my opinion we have very interesting history, maybe it isnt well known in some countries, but in my opinion it is rich.

We have some nice achievements:

Germans (Prussia) were paying us tribes and called us their lords.

We have taken Moscov in XVII century, converted their Tshar into Catholic :P , and Russians till today celebrate the end of this war as it was yesterday (one of the most important days in their country)

We beaten Soviet Union in 1920

We had first modern constitution in Europe (second in world after USA)

We smashed (King Sobieski) Turks and saved Europe form musilms (even muslim Tatars were on our side)

We were one of main reasons Soviet Union collapsed, our Pope JPII, Brzezinski creating Al-Qaeda (he is rather American with Polish origin and Afghanistan was on our side in 80's), Solidarity.

In XIX century we believed that we are nation chosen by god :) Poland Christ of Nations :)

And there were less spectacular events but nice as well.

Like battle of Kircholm when 3000 Poles beaten 11 000 Swedes (casultes 300 Poles 8500 Swedes LOL ;) )

Or that when Napoleon (F*** him) send our troops to smash revolt on Haiti and our soldiers realized that they have to fight against nation who want to be independent, they changed side and started new life there, and that is why so many of black people from Haiti have Polish names.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,161  
2 Jan 2008 /  #2
Just wait for some guy coming and saying that you have inferiority complex...
lesser 4 | 1,311  
2 Jan 2008 /  #3
vodka

You have inferiority complex.
isthatu 3 | 1,164  
2 Jan 2008 /  #4
In XIX century we believed that we are nation chosen by god :) Poland Christ of Nations :)

yes you believed it,we Britons Knew it ;)

smash revolt on Haiti and our soldiers realized that they have to fight against nation who want to be independent, they changed side

er,sorry,didnt they all just die off from tropical diseases? Maybe better to just say they fought with Napoleon,Brit or not the guy had the right ideas back in the day ...
OP vodka 1 | 38  
2 Jan 2008 /  #5
er,sorry,didnt they all just die off from tropical diseases?

not all :) it is article in Polish but there are some photos of black Poles from Haiti LOL ;)

najmici.net/haiti_rz.htm
isthatu 3 | 1,164  
2 Jan 2008 /  #6
cool,I'll give it a look,thanks. (crikey,balck poles,dont let that blackzilla loony see them,he'll have a connery..)(only one thing though vodka,you do realise Slaves took the name of their masters dont you? doesnt mean they were married to them or the children of poles.)
OP vodka 1 | 38  
2 Jan 2008 /  #7
You have inferiority complex.

no I have superiority complex, and I believe we are nation chosen by God :)

Mickiewicz
Ozi Dan 26 | 569  
2 Jan 2008 /  #8
In my opinion we have very interesting history, maybe it isnt well known in some countries, but in my opinion it is rich.

Nice topic! I'd submit the biggest historic achievement was the constitutional shift away from absolutism and toward democracy in the mid to late 15C.

What about the battle of Kluszyn? I think this was in early 1600's when a smaller force beat a larger combined Scots/Swedish? force.

What about Samosierra? Stupendous! In fact, the whole Napoleaonic War was a magnificaent feat for the Poles.

What about Koscziusko's contributions to the AWoI?

I look forward to reading some more obscure contribuionts too. Cheers Dan
OP vodka 1 | 38  
2 Jan 2008 /  #9
Kluszyn

:) 6550 Poles smashed 40 000 Russians :) LOL

Samosierra

125 Poles smashed 8000 Spanish soldiers :))) (Napoleon army was biger but Poles deicded to charge alone)
Ozi Dan 26 | 569  
2 Jan 2008 /  #10
In my opinion we have very interesting history, maybe it isnt well known in some countries, but in my opinion it is rich.

Nice topic! I'd submit the biggest historic achievement was the constitutional shift away from absolutism and toward democracy in the mid to late 15C.

What about the battle of Kluszyn? I think this was in early 1600's when a smaller force beat a larger combined Scots/Swedish? force.

What about Samosierra? Stupendous! In fact, the whole Napoleaonic War was a magnificaent feat for the Poles.

What about Koscziusko's contributions to the AWoI?

I look forward to reading some more obscure contribuionts too.

(crikey,balck poles,dont let that blackzilla loony see them,he'll have a connery..)(

Ha ha. Ive read some of that guys posts. A reply was tempting, but then I thought the more you stir s..t the more it stinks. Anyway, my brain is still a bit numb from the festive season and from some of those great discussions we had last year. Hope you had a good xmas and new years mate. Cheers Dan
isthatu 3 | 1,164  
2 Jan 2008 /  #11
lol,you too Dan, have a corker
OP vodka 1 | 38  
2 Jan 2008 /  #12
Koscziusko's contributions to the AWoI?

Kosciuszko :)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosciuszko
it is long story so I prefer to add link

What is important we have some basis to think we are nation chosen by God :)))
Ozi Dan 26 | 569  
2 Jan 2008 /  #13
:) 6550 Poles smashed 40 000 Russians :) LOL

What about the Polish contribution to overall military strategy? Ie, cavalry tactics, uniforms, armor, unit size and functionality. I have heard that the Polish use of battle formations is a direct descendant of modern military unit sizes.

125 Poles smashed 8000 Spanish soldiers :))) (Napoleon army was biger but Poles deicded to charge alone)

I thought Napoleon gave the command when he realised no one else could do it. When **** hit the fan he knew who could sort it out!
lesser 4 | 1,311  
2 Jan 2008 /  #14
125 Poles smashed 8000 Spanish soldiers :))) (Napoleon army was biger but Poles deicded to charge alone)

The Spanish were the good guys in this battle, so nothing to be proud imo.
southern 75 | 7,096  
2 Jan 2008 /  #15
We smashed (King Sobieski) Turks and saved Europe form musilms

This was great.The Austrians at that time were in their world organizing excursions outside Vienna to admire the ottoman camp!They behaved like the Turks were sort of touristic attraction.
Ozi Dan 26 | 569  
2 Jan 2008 /  #16
What is important we have some basis to think we are nation chosen by God :)))

Um - I dont think I ascribe to this type of rationale. Seeing God as overseer of and beneficiary of Poland's victories is certainly a historic consideration. I recall that Poland saw itself as the "bulwark" of christendom, and Sobieski himself, after Vienna, said "I came, I saw, God conquered".

I'm not religious though (non practicing Catholic).
lesser 4 | 1,311  
2 Jan 2008 /  #17
This was great.The Austrians at that time were in their world organizing excursions outside Vienna to admire the ottoman camp!They behaved like the Turks were sort of touristic attraction.

Where did you read about this?
southern 75 | 7,096  
2 Jan 2008 /  #18
In military history magazines.The austrians had made an agreement with Poles,in case Turks attacked Krakow,Austrians would help Poles and if Turks attacked Vienna,Poles would help Austrians.Poles kept their part of agreement and they crashed the ottoman army when Vienna was about to fall.

Poles could have heavily benefited by this battle as Austria lacked any military after turkish attack and they could conquer Vienna and many parts of the Austrian Empire.

Instead of that the noble Poles prefered to withdraw and the Austrians rewarded them 80 years later.
lesser 4 | 1,311  
2 Jan 2008 /  #19
Poles could have heavily benefited by this battle as Austria lacked any military after turkish attack and they could conquer Vienna and many parts of the Austrian Empire.

There was also large number of German forces in this battle if I recall correctly. They would also have something to say.
southern 75 | 7,096  
2 Jan 2008 /  #20
Basically it was the attack of the Poles.The Poles were very fanatic in these wars against ottoman Empire.They dissolved the turkish army which had never sustained such a defeat.After that the Ottoman Empire never managed to raise up or threaten Europe again.
Crow 150 | 9,549  
2 Jan 2008 /  #21
Poland... have an interesting history.

indeed

P.S. Hey people, did you notice that this 2008 started somehow interestingly
isthatu 3 | 1,164  
2 Jan 2008 /  #22
uniforms,

nicked from the jannisiries m afraid,copied out right by Polish nobles when they outfitted their troops.
Although,the four pointed cap/helmet is worn around the world by lancers thanks to napoleons Polish Uhlans :)
lesser 4 | 1,311  
2 Jan 2008 /  #23
P.S. Hey people, did you notice that this 2008 started somehow interestingly

Under Slovenian command? :)
OP vodka 1 | 38  
2 Jan 2008 /  #24
P.S. Hey people, did you notice that this 2008 started somehow interestingly

yes, but this is thread about history :) we dont discusse if we should take revange for 1830 on Russians ... just telling old stories maybe some American Poles who read it will tell their children about ancient ;) Poles the same as Swede tells stories about Vikings for their children ;)
Ozi Dan 26 | 569  
2 Jan 2008 /  #25
nicked from the jannisiries m afraid,copied out right by Polish nobles when they outfitted their troops.

What? The kurtka and the braided coats? I thought it was Polish.
isthatu 3 | 1,164  
2 Jan 2008 /  #26
Mostly copied from the then model of a proffesional army,the Ottomans "christian" warriors.I'll look out a link at a more civiliesed hour :)
Crow 150 | 9,549  
2 Jan 2008 /  #27
Crow wrote:
P.S. Hey people, did you notice that this 2008 started somehow interestingly

Under Slovenian command? :)

Yes, that too.

And, Slovenian public feel great Yugo-nostalgia, since euro comes in use and since Croatia increasing pressure. Well, they can`t say that we didn`t told them.

:)
OP vodka 1 | 38  
2 Jan 2008 /  #28
I'll look out a link at a more civiliesed hour :)

I m going to sleep as well :) tomorow I will prepare sth interesting about Evil Catholic Poles ;)

polonica.net/imag/Bogurodzica_szlachta.jpg
southern 75 | 7,096  
2 Jan 2008 /  #29
Mostly copied from the then model of a proffesional army,the Ottomans "christian" warriors

From the Ottomans they copied the moustache.The turkish angry moustache had created quite an impression in Europe.If you see all the kings in 17th century in Europe try to compete for the most impressive moustache.
isthatu 3 | 1,164  
2 Jan 2008 /  #30
If you see all the kings in 17th century in Europe try to compete for the most impressive moustache.

lol,ours settled for a nice wig :)

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