History / Russia: Poland responsible for WW II [300]


You like to post Molotov-Ribbentrop stuff which is ok even being reminded for 1000s times at every step. I wonder how Poles see the earlier share of Czechoslovakija with Germany and planned invasion (again with our Freunden aus dem Westen) of the USSR? Or it's all lie and vicious intrigues? Just want to hear Polish interpretation of the events...

History / Western Europe and America vs Russia WWII - chances of Poland being saved [494]


According to census of 1989 the USSR had about 3 mln of Germans. Historically we've never had problems with those Germans who lived on Russian territory. Hence there's no reason for dislike. WWs of course spoilt their image in Russian eyes but people mostly realize fringe lunatics like Hitler inhere in every nation (we had Dzhugashvilli).


Maybe because he had some Polish roots? :)) lol
Amalia Ludvigowna Lippewechsel? :) Not that she was portrayed as villain, she was rather quarrelsome. Your last name is story-telling: die Lippe - a lip, der Wechsel - change. So this is someone moody who likes to always screw lips up. Nice to hear that people abroad read some Russian literature.

Dostoevsky is very interesting personality with non-standard views on things. For instance he was convinced that Russia shouldn't have ever helped any of other Slavic countries (some kind of "anticrow" rhetoric).


Could someone explain why Poles call Italy Wlochy? Does anyone know the etymology?

History / Western Europe and America vs Russia WWII - chances of Poland being saved [494]


Cool. :) Both are in the list of my favourites.


True. In terms of that we're similar to Americans as we have the whole bunch of ethnicities flowing in our veins. One part is Baltic (specifically Lithuanian) the other - Russian (my father's relatives were deported from one place to another by soviet regime). I'll probably take one day DNA test to learn more.


That's almost right if I got you correct. The word which was in use long time ago for all who didn't speak Russian was "nemec" that had derived from the adjective "nemoy" - literally "mute". Since the majority of foreigners in Russia were from Germany that nick stuck to them and nowadays it's only used for Germans. "Nemec" - German male, "nemka" - German female. Surprisingly all other Slavic languages seem to use the same naming convention.

History / Western Europe and America vs Russia WWII - chances of Poland being saved [494]


I fully second that. :)

*Gosh... can't believe that... the Russian advocates the German in the eyes of the American*

History / Western Europe and America vs Russia WWII - chances of Poland being saved [494]


You're welcome. :) Sorry I forgot to mention it was clickable. I saw someone already posted alike map on PF.


Not so many... The Mexican and Afroamerican population is prevailing on the south.

EDIT:


From my perspective this is likely to mean "not defined". Yes, the term doesn't make any sense.

History / Western Europe and America vs Russia WWII - chances of Poland being saved [494]




See here. That in fact means the vast majority of white Americans have German ancestry. Some significant spots are called there "American" though which doesn't make any sense in terms of ethnicity.


True as well as if you've run into such attitudes doesn't mean that this is applicable for the whole nation. :) I'm not being hostile, I just want to see the logic in your reasoning.

My question about your ancestry was no more but curiosity.

History / Western Europe and America vs Russia WWII - chances of Poland being saved [494]


I didn't get your reaction. Did you have a shot at drawing a parallel between two quotes of mine?



Cite the whole sentence please to avoid misunderstanding. Many were deported to Kazakhstan or executed... unfortunately.

History / Western Europe and America vs Russia WWII - chances of Poland being saved [494]


Of course. The men you mentioned will always be and not only in Germany, but also in the US and... in Russia. They're basically all over the world.

Your attitude is interesting for me as well given that all American North is mainly ethnically German.


I don't. I don't even know what could serve as a dependable evidence for that. The Volga Germans (those who resettled to Russia at the times of Ekaterina) have deserved reputation of kind, honest and neat people. They together with Russians lived through the WW and stalin's times. Many died defending their new homeland against fascists and in Soviet Labour Camps. They contributed a lot to our science, they're traditionally #1 engineers worldwide.

I've personally never had any bad experience with Germans. I get along with them pretty well both in Russia and in the US although they sometimes seem to be cold (but that's maybe in comparison to other Slavs... we Slavs are a bit too emotional... he-he :)) ).


Friend, maybe you should have treated them the way you expected to be treated? I don't know... I can't label the whole nation. Yes some nations are more interesting to me than others but generalizations like "they're dangerous nation" are beyond my grasp.

Are your forefathers from England, mate?

History / Western Europe and America vs Russia WWII - chances of Poland being saved [494]


This is not true. At least for Russians... and it's not that we're so much forgiving (we are though). I wouldn't be mistaken, if I said they're the most respected nation in Russia from all non-slavic ones in spite of all conflicts we've had along the history.


Is that mentioned in the article you posted? :)

History / Western Europe and America vs Russia WWII - chances of Poland being saved [494]


Yes but who's NATO orchestrated by? Javier Solana wouldn't take a single step with no approval. The US and NATO is like the SU and Warsaw Treaty.

History / Western Europe and America vs Russia WWII - chances of Poland being saved [494]

Stalin's and Hitler's times are gone. All these is unlikely to happen again. Germans seem to drew the lesson from history and I believe they're smart enough not to step on the same rake. Hopefully the US moralizes from their recent slips in Serbia and Middle East too or otherwise yes... that will be much better if the US stays away from Europe. That lessens chances of another WW. I don't actually know what you're guys arguing about.

BB, Mr. Suvorov not the best person to cite. Firstly he's not a historian he's an essay writer... crappy one.

History / Western Europe and America vs Russia WWII - chances of Poland being saved [494]



I've just ordered them both. Wait for my Russian review... :))
Well I can already say something about the second book. Keeping in mind my personal experience I've always been very suspicious about books of that kind. He spent only three months in Russia and wrote it... How can we see it any else way but the first impression (or cultural shock, or whatever)?! To say nothing about that it could any describe Russian mindset... I would certainly stay away from such a bluster. The other thing is that we're all different, hence own different impressions. When I came to the US first time I just walked open-mouthed and enjoyed the nature, the people, the country on the whole, while some of my Russian mates couldn't curb their antagonism against American lifestyle. What would be our books like after three month of staying there, given that I'd probably be prone to describe advantages, whereas friends of mine - disadvantages?! Later... the more I lived there the more I realized it got harder and harder to describe the US and Americans. Now I see any description would be pointless... the first impression left behind long ago and as for nowadays I just live and enjoy things which I like in the US... same for Russia.

The book should be interesting for Russians as another impression of foreigner which would perhaps make us change something, but that's for sure can't be more or less precise wording of Russian mindset.

The other point is that book was written in 1839. Nothing stays the same.

History / Western Europe and America vs Russia WWII - chances of Poland being saved [494]


Hmmm... what else? :) How can you live with that in your head? It must be hard...
I worry about your mental health... as you seem to be obsessed with Russians so much that you mention them at every turn.
Don't you notice that every your next post as like as two peas in pod in comparison to the previous one?

News / Searching for keys in Polish-Russian relations [75]


I guess it's "one but important fact is forgotten in that information - Limonow heads the PNB, which are just up to the ideologies of bolshevism and nazism..." I'm not sure what is further in brackets though. Perhaps it's about perverted euphemism from Onet.pl portal of that Limonov is an active part (member) in political life. *shrug*

I think I got the general idea. :)


Good, bud! No reason to be hostile towards each other. ;)

Life / How much do you HATE POLISH PEOPLE and POLAND [1260]


Wait... who're you describing now? Russians? :)

News / Searching for keys in Polish-Russian relations [75]


An exhaustive description.

Thanks for the article, lesser. It's very understandable (90-95%... usually I get less in Polish:) ).


Lesser, I suggest you reading at leasure some of his "pearls" like "To ja, Edichka" to better understand his freak nature. :) Is he really well-known writer?


*Thumbs up*!
Btw, Mr. Dugin - today's most famous ideologist of the current regime and putin's crawler is Limonov's (edit)co-partyer and moreover he's considered the founder of Nazbol party.

USA, Canada / Work ethics in Poland vs US [66]


I'm not sure... and this:


sounds plausible.

If there's an opportunity it's as follows: you can be better paid for the same work. That's it. Of course these are only my impressions.

Life / Polish men in shorts with sandals and socks.. [63]


Perhaps they wanna hide their pedicure.Sometimes I wish, people wore socks with their sandals (or sneakers with no socks).

USA, Canada / Work ethics in Poland vs US [66]


Having a choice between work and life - I prefer the second option. Working 10-12 hours daily on continuing basis IMHO is just stupid, unless your job is the only thing you have in your life. If you have more or less respectable education background you can get easily get 8/day job that will allow to be relatively well off.


Why people move there then?

News / Kaliningrad. Problem, Threat or Opportunity for Poland? [185]


GIGO, bud. :) I was as serious as you were.


It's not about trust, Mr. Greenforest, it's about American wish-list. How didn't you figure that out yet?

News / Kaliningrad. Problem, Threat or Opportunity for Poland? [185]


Let's play big, man! Why not just pass rocket bases straight to the US?! That would finally resolve the debate. Then you may start renaming to state of Norway and tweaking your measuring system (this is not the worst case scenario though).

News / Searching for keys in Polish-Russian relations [75]


What would you ask him, lesser?

I've recently listed to it and here are my impressions...
For one thing his reasoning was pretty similar to what I'd heard on Russian radios which is good for a politician. I liked the way he pictured the very first steps towards democracy in Russia and people's matter for that and separated so-called "Die Putinjugend" from a sober youth and people in general. However throughout the interview I couldn't shake off the feeling he was just promoting himself not to fall into complete oblivion and once having a chance to implement his ideas - would merely pass the buck. Also it was nice how he had his nose rubbed in that he'd collaborated with nazbols who are essentially bunch of bigots.

Sean, how can you like Kasparow and Putin at the same time? :))

History / Poland and Ukraine [240]

Where that happened? Particularly which part of Ukraine? Lvov?

News / Searching for keys in Polish-Russian relations [75]


This is true!


Probably... but the problem is that how those "tzars" sometimes used their power. I've pondered a lot on that phenomenon and I can say the more I think of it the more complicated this turns out.


Well... if he was given his word, that would be most likely some more or less liberal radio like "Echo Moskvi", not the state-owned channels of my TV-set. :))) So it's not that bad as it's painted. If you want to get info you will get it. My point was solely about he has his word on Polish radio, thus I assume there could be some questions asked by anchor about Polish-Russian relationship and I'd love to see his views on Poland. Besides I wanna check his rhetoric... whether it any altered from what I usually heard on Russian radio from him.

News / Searching for keys in Polish-Russian relations [75]


Well... I hope you understand that acceptance of putin's ideas for me is out of question, not to mention that he doesn't really stick to his own words. Right after he spit out his harangue full of quite trustworthy and reasonable ideas about better relationship with Europe and lifting up the economy he pulls country in opposite direction.

As for Kasparov.. he's like a leech on government's body. No government, no kasparov. As simple as that. To clarify I'll tell you that generally lots of people on Russian political scene come up with more or less healthy ideas which being implemented would do us (and most likely our neighbours) good, but few of those politicians have guts to realize them. I have strong doubts about kasparov's personality even though he owns some sober ideas... he's not a charismatic leader. But that doesn't any lessen my will to listen to what he says on Polish radio. If it was Russian one, I'd probably ignore that.

News / Searching for keys in Polish-Russian relations [75]


Thanks for the link, McCoy. I'll listen to it later. This should be interesting.

History / Poland and Ukraine [240]


Cheers! :)

History / Poland and Ukraine [240]


Please spare me these parallels between the USSR being a big country (the statement "Russia ruling you" is wrong) and you falling 50 years behind the world economies). I don't mention that if you didn't inherit soviet industry, the eastern part of Ukraine would all move to Russia (now it's partially in Russia and partially wherever else money are since you don't seem to build up any viable economy) and the western one as the most wide-mouthed and the most poor would starve to death. Poor Nat.


What the hell you smoke Nat? This's not a serious discussion any longer... Are you in kindergarten? Who "we"? Citizens of Canada? Your Ukrainian "freedom of speech" is same as Russian in terms of that you only free to speak about what our governments think is free to speak out. Quit smoking weed and get back to the real world.


Anatoly my country is far from being perfect and I'm unlike you can admit that not shifting the blame to anybody. Don't worry I do my best to make it better place to live in... But what are you doing?

Ironside, back to your question.. Sorry, I didn't see your message.


Well... this is true that along history Ukrainians have been lack of self-directed policy and were not as distinct as its two greater neighbours. This is somewhat of an explanation of Nathan-like people existence who are revanchist per se and are eager to compensate the "deficiency" of history by rewriting and ridiculing it. So we can't blame Nats for their inferiority complexes. (Once I read the opinion of Ukrainian historian who seriously asserted that Ukrainians were nobody but founders of European civilization). However it's not correct to state they're the youngest or didn't have their own culture, language... etc. Ukrainian people migrating (or unfortunately being forced to migrate) to the east and west played large role in originating of the Rus' and future Russia as well as they impacted Rech Pospolita. For Nat I may be moscal whereas he might reckon himself as a great Ukrainian creature, but for me there's no reason to treat Ukrainians in general some other way than Russians as we're in a way two sides of same apple, our folks tightly interlaced along the history. Ukrainians in average beautiful people both physically and mentally. They don't have culture?.. look at Gogol... why can't we share him? The only reason he wrote in Russian didn't mean he wasn't any related to Ukraine... actually he was Ukrainian by birth. Isn't it their literature?

I believe that future of Poland, Ukraine (and Russia) is not in a land sharing, rubbing each other's nose into the dirt of bygone mistakes or manipulating history. The future is in good neighbourhood, treating each other as brothers. Sounds unachievable? Why not to try at least?

News / Kaliningrad. Problem, Threat or Opportunity for Poland? [185]


Anatoly, I think you have never had a time to fill your own head with any reliable knowledge, but it's never too late for reconsideration.


This goes for you, bud as you seem to suffer tough shortage of communication with normal people, or elsewise I don't know how to explain your misery and hatemongership (as contrary to friednship).

You fled to Canada too early... not even troubled yourself to see the world around you as was (is).


However I cherish a little hope you will ever have capacity enough to grasp, that poor creatures like you knowing only how to stir things up are still alive thanks to people like Dan, who realizes that the only key for peaceful coexistence is an open mind. That's ironically but people like Stalin who you bash and Ukrainian fascists (old and fresh ones) who you always keep cover for originate from nat's (a collective term here) brainchildren.


Is it UNA-UNSO.UA for that people should trust you? :))

News / Kaliningrad. Problem, Threat or Opportunity for Poland? [185]


That's a drivel, Anatoly. Please keep your Russophobia within your stomach and don't throw it up spilling on here. When you say "moved Russians" who the hell you meant? Who are "Russians"? If you mean KGB or whatever.. please, specify... since there were A LOT OF Ukrainians in punish brigades who shot Russians, Poles and UKRAINIANS. I suspect that those Ukrainians who doesn't share your views are automatically goes by "Russians". That's you who hates the very word "Russian", others just want to live in peace...

Btw while in Ukraine (if you ever been there of course) do you ask people to take any kind of DNA-test (unfortunately there's no test so far to define if the person is Ukrainian or Russian due to strong assimilation and aspects of self-identification) before handshake?