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1jola   
27 Oct 2009
History / Responsibility for Murder of Catholic Poles during WWII ? [172]

All Jews were orthodox till fairly recent times.

I was talking in general throughout time. As we have seen from the quotes from Israel Shahak, Judaism is not exactly friendly toward non-Jews. Pointing that out is, of course anti-Semitic. This attitude, IMO, was the main cause of Judeophobia. M-G does not want to talk about that; he would rather flood us with pogroms and holocaust will come next. (without sources).

No one denies that people, once they were able to learn what Jews thought of non-Jews, disliked them.
1jola   
27 Oct 2009
History / Responsibility for Murder of Catholic Poles during WWII ? [172]

Now go and preach your anti-semitism somewhere else.

So you are calling me an anti-Semite after all. LOL. How Jewish of you to resort to that.



What's next? You're going to call me a Nazi, right?

Anyway, I hope I've been of help to help you understand some of the causes of Judeophobia. Read the books I have suggested.
1jola   
27 Oct 2009
History / Responsibility for Murder of Catholic Poles during WWII ? [172]

If you're intending to persuade me to use some foul language like your friend Sokrates usually does, then you're wrong.

You do lose your cool frequently.

I will just reverse the question back to you: are you taking your role as a racist not a little too serious?

Oh, good. So are not calling me an anti-Semite, but a racist, and a...

nobody who just claims to know everything about the subject he hates.

Which subject do I hate now?

That's all I am going to say about it.

That reminds me of a film I saw :)

And the difference with a extremist religious muslim or hardcore-Christian being...?

You haven't done your homework that I assigned you. You should have read on:

Professor Isreal Shahak

Instead of simply publishing the incident in the press, I asked for a meeting which is composed of rabbis nominated by the State of Israel. I asked them whether such behavior was consistent with their interpretation of the Jewish religion. They answered that the Jew in question had behaved correctly, indeed piously, and backed their statement by referring me to a passage in an authoritative compendium of Talmudic laws, written in this century.

I reported the incident to the main Hebrew daily, Ha'aretz, whose publication of the story caused a media scandal.

The results of the scandal were, for me, rather negative. Neither the Israeli, nor the diaspora, rabbinical authorities ever reversed their ruling that a Jew should not violate the Sabbath in order to save the life of a Gentile. They added much sanctimonious twaddle to the effect that if the consequence of such an act puts Jews in danger, the violation of the Sabbath is permitted, for their sake.

You surely don't need to be pointed out all the restrictions that were imposed on them from the start?

What do restrictions have to do with their belief and conduct toward non-Jews? Besides, self-imposed restrictions were far more constricting, but you know nothing about that. Yet.

BTW, Israel Shahak was a Polish Jew.
1jola   
27 Oct 2009
History / Responsibility for Murder of Catholic Poles during WWII ? [172]

Your muslim population is relatively smaller than we have in NL or you have in DE. This is logic, as we have been welcoming them for 4 or 5 decades already.

In the same way, if you had as large of population of Jews in Neatherlands, Judeophobia would have been higher.

the fact that anti-semitism is much deeper rooted in the East than in the West?

It was just proportionate to the Jewish population within these areas. Remember, Jews of western Europe found refuge and tolerance for centuries in Eastern Europe. It was their attitude and behavior that caused judeophobia as I explained in earlier posts.

And besides, just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean that I don't have knowledge of the matter. But that's a gross common median among all anti-semites: everybody who doesn't agree to them has no knowledge about the truth. Don't make me laugh.

I have a feeling you are calling me an anti-Semite. Aren't you taking your new-found role as a Jew a little too seriously?

I am Dutch and Jewish and historian, I know my stuff.

I'm still laughing at this one. Here, read this book so you can know your stuff better.

knud.eriksen.adr.dk/Controversybook/

And this one:

biblebelievers.org.au/jewhis1.htm

It starts like this:

THIS BOOK, although written in English and addressed to people living outside the State of Israel, is, in a way, a continuation of my political activities as an Israeli Jew. Those activities began in 1965-6 with a protest which caused a considerable scandal at the time: I had personally witnessed an ultra-religious Jew refuse to allow his phone to be used on the Sabbath in order to call an ambulance for a non-Jew who happened to have collapsed in his Jerusalem neighbourhood.

My previous posts will make more sense to you.
1jola   
27 Oct 2009
History / Responsibility for Murder of Catholic Poles during WWII ? [172]

I am Dutch and Jewish and historian, I know my stuff.

LOL.

Pls don't interfere with nonsense that the anti-semitism in the West was worse than in the East. It has been well established that this is not the case.

Is that why Poland was called Judeum Paradisum?

Here is a question for you. Why do you think islamophobia is so much less visible in Poland than in the Neatherlands? We have a muslim population, yet no one hates them.
1jola   
25 Oct 2009
News / JEW YOUTH SHOULD CLEAN UP THEIR ACT IN POLAND [420]

Be thankful you don't have this type of problem in Poland.

We thank God everyday for sparing us from those yuts, Joe.

Guess some anti-semites on this thread cannot accept that the Jews had the worst experience of all.

I'm starting to worry about you. If you don't mellow out, you will fall into the anti-semites everywhere condition, which is as serious illness as Jews all around me.
1jola   
25 Oct 2009
News / Green Issues - Climate change and Polish Attitudes [4]

I don't think he is correct. Up to 50 kW you don't deal with elect. companies. With a large mill you sell the enrgy to the company.

Have your wife help you with this article as it is what you are looking for. There is some good financing for your project.

ogrzewnictwo.pl/index.php?akt_cms=283&cms=294

More power to you :)

Polish Wind Energy Association

psew.pl/en/

Contact with them will surely yield some English speaking experts who can help you..
1jola   
25 Oct 2009
History / Responsibility for Murder of Catholic Poles during WWII ? [172]

M-G (and what are you trying to prove? That the Dutch were not clean? Everybody in Holland knows that and unlike the Poles, they do not try to wash themselves clean -there is a reason why NL is such a vivd supporter of Israël)

Just when I think we are comunicating, you come up with the above. Back to square one.

but the main reason for anti-semitism is jealousy, plain and simple. Jealousy of being not able to accomplish what some other group has,

Judeophobia has existed long before anyone could be jelous of the Jewish achievements. How do you explain the Greeks and Romans considering the Jews as "enemies of humanity?" The first quote above shows you don't understand what "unclean" is in Jewish eyes. It's important to understand that people like you, non-religeous, are a very recent occurence. So, once again, how do you think a Greek, a Roman, a Frenchmen, felt toward a group of people who considered him "unclean", a mere beast-lke creature. This concept you will find in Judaism. I wonder if you know that "DO NOT STEAL" applies to only fellow Jews, not gentiles. "Love your neighbour?" Well, sorry, that doesn't apply to the goyim.

Besides, what would the Romans be jealous of some strange tribe with their very primitive laws and whose culture amounted to separation from the rest of citizens. Surely, later on iin Europe there might have been resentment involved, but who likes tax-collectors, money lenders, and middle-men who consider others as unclean animals.

In all this, it is improbable that all througout the ages different races and nationalities just coincidentaly didn't like Jews. The answer is perhaps in their extremely racist and offensive beliefs.

I don't have to imagine your anger at the thought the Germans considered you a "sub-human". Now replace untermenschen with goyim.
1jola   
25 Oct 2009
History / Responsibility for Murder of Catholic Poles during WWII ? [172]

2) the Nazis knew that they could do this in Eastern Europe rightaway and not in Western Europe, because anti-semitism wasn't as deeply rooted in the West as it was in the East.

The real Jews seem to have a slightly different view of the Western, in this case Dutch, role and attitude toward the Jews.

From the Jerusalem Centert of Public Affairs:

A New Museum of Dutch War Failures?

The number of Dutch Nazi collaborators during World War II exceeded the number of those active in the resistance, even if one does not include in the first category the unknown number of those who stole Jewish property. Many cases are known of Jews who hid their possessions during the war with non-Jewish acquaintances and neighbors, who then denied any knowledge of this when the Jews returned after the war.

jcpa.org/JCPA/Templates/ShowPage.asp?DBID=1&LNGID=1&TMID=111&FID=442&PID=0&IID=1215#

Read the whole article and tell me your reaction.

As to the other issues, you seem to miss the point of my post altogether.

My post trying to have you use your brain to some of the causes of anti-Semitism in history:

since you don't know much about Judaism. Here is a hint. If you consider me "unclean" and will not sit down to the table with me, I might not like you.

You didn't understand and replied:

Maybe they won't sit at the table with you because they just don't like you? You cannot be liked by everybody, you know.

The Jews I know are my friends and are not followers of Judaism so we often chow together. This has nothing to do with me nor my friends. Think about it.
1jola   
24 Oct 2009
History / Responsibility for Murder of Catholic Poles during WWII ? [172]

Edit: and girl, you may wanna change the "sex" on your account. Now everybody thinks you're a man.

You are thick. I keep telling you I am a man but you keep on.

Like I said in a previous post, the denial laws are only there to prevent from happening again what has been happening every other generation for nearly 2000 years.

What has been happening for 2000 years? This should be interesting.

If a child doesn't listen to you, you spank it, so it will listen to you.

I thought you were all against violence, racism, and all the other socialist/communist slogans.

2) the Nazis knew that they could do this in Eastern Europe rightaway and not in Western Europe,
because anti-semitism wasn't as deeply rooted in the West as it was in the East.


Jewish smears. For the first two years of the war, the Jewish population in Poland was working dilligently for the Reich while Poles were dying on the battlefield and others were tortured and executed. There was no plan to exterminate the Jews then and they thought they could sit the war (it;s not our war) out if they only were useful to the Germans.

because anti-semitism wasn't as deeply rooted in the West as it was in the East.

Judeophobia was universal throughout time whenever Jews came in contact with other nationalities, be it Egyptians, Greeks, Romans, Europeans. The question is why? Give your best shot at the answer but you are at a disadvantage since you don't know much about Judaism. Here is a hint. If you consider me "unclean" and will not sit down to the table with me, I might not like you.
1jola   
24 Oct 2009
History / Responsibility for Murder of Catholic Poles during WWII ? [172]

You should make the choice more challenging, sjam :)

Giggling at stupid comparisons is sophmorish.

So you both endorse the idea that people should be imprisoned for their views. That's what the denial laws set out to do.
1jola   
24 Oct 2009
News / BNP far right in Poland [116]

but it's obvious that Nazi's have had massive support from within the Catholic Church.

Look up how many bishops you had in Germany at that time and how many joined the NSADP and report to us on your findings. An idiot you may be not but you are spreading lies. It's typical of some Jewish 'activists.'

Then you might want to research what the Nazis actually thought of the CC and how they dealt with her and her priests and nuns.
1jola   
24 Oct 2009
History / Responsibility for Murder of Catholic Poles during WWII ? [172]

You say the Jews imposed Holocaust Denial laws on Europe! Yet this is patently not true, as no such laws were imposed on Great Britain despite having a large Jewish population.

Don't waste my time and go and read about denial laws. You will see for yourself.

And how many people have been arrested by your 'thought Police' for discussing (or diminishing) the numbers of Jews murdered during the Holocaust?

Write an objective book on the subject and you will see how far your career goes. The issue is free speech - ever hear about it?

You asked if I agreed with the Polish law (which was defined by IPN).

For Poland I do.

I asked you if you agree in principle.

Many Poles on here consider its non-Jewish victims as being part of the Holocaust.

We don't call it the Holocaust and we haven't made a money making circus out of it.

If that is the case why should these same Poles not want Holocaust denial to be against the law?

You would feel more at home in Russia. They are implementing laws about WWII that would please you.

Denial laws are there to prevent you from stating your opinion. More like in totalitarian states, no?
1jola   
23 Oct 2009
History / Responsibility for Murder of Catholic Poles during WWII ? [172]

And yet even the internet is full of such discussion despite these Jewish imposed laws being place.

The internet is the only place such discussions take place, for now.

And yet there are no Holocaust denial laws imposed on Great Britain by the Jews despite having a considerably larger Jewish population than probably any other Europena nation and most certainly vastly more than Poland—why do you suggest that is?

Common Law and Civil Law countries issue. In the US the 1st Ammendment prevents the Jews from imposing this law.

Of course, because it is a Jewish source. How distinctly Polish :-))

So in your mind, it is distinctly Polish to call Jewish sources garbage. Whatever.

I pointed out to you why that source is biased. Go back and read it again.

One historian arrested 1999 for Holocaust denial. Wow! Those laws sure are draconian I would try and change them if you dare. LOL.

Ruining a man's career over a book he wrote is draconian. So you do agree with this law. Why?
1jola   
23 Oct 2009
History / Responsibility for Murder of Catholic Poles during WWII ? [172]

Allowing debate would deminish Jewish excusivity on suffering and all the material benefits that go along with it long after the tragedy. This is prevented by denial laws and such. There are lots of useful and well meaning idiots supporting this.
1jola   
23 Oct 2009
History / Responsibility for Murder of Catholic Poles during WWII ? [172]

to our credit we don't need one :-)

Why do you think you don't need one and how is it to your credit.

So you are suggesting the 15,000 Jews in Poland have imposed such a law on the Polish government and this law stops all discussion about numbers.

Are you suggesting the Jews had nothing to do with these laws in Europe?

If there was good reason i would not have given you the link at all.

The source you are quoting is rubbish and you know it.

Inflated numbers do no good to anybody.

Exactly. Falsified stories don't either. When it comes to the Holocaust there can be no discussion. Period. Lies must be believed, no matter how ridiculous. Case in point. Remember the Wolf Girl? There obvious lie of a seven-year-old Jewish girl walking alone through war torn Europe, to Ukraine and back, living with wolves in Poland, was never questioned. Heck, the French made a film last year about it. People are affraid to even question idiocy. Such is the power of denial laws and the fear of being labeled an anti-semite. Sad. So the average Jewish person will suffer insult at some point as they are lumped together with the money grubbing Holocaust profesionals.
1jola   
23 Oct 2009
News / BNP far right in Poland [116]

Why is any source that doesn't blame Jews for something immediately leftish? You tell me that?

That was in response to your statement that right-wing sources try to indoctrinate us. All opinions do. The leftist ones are so much more tolerant. Barff!

However I do tolerate freedom of speech, no matter how disgusting the views are and how much against this freedom their ideology may be.

Do you? You seem to in favor of anti-denial laws which prevent free speech.

This goes not only to anti-semites, but to all other forms of intolerance as well. I just think that it's time to stop this nonsense.

I think it's time that Jews stop using the smear 'anti-semite' every time someone says something they dislike.

She is a girl, son :) At least, I got informed by herself that the nick she uses is female.

I know you're a guy because you have said so in your profile and the symbol for male is next to your screen name. On the net I can be Jola or Queen Mary if I want.

amusingly the only openly Jewish guy here (Yehudi) was much more pleasant and rational to deal with

I like Yehudi too. He is not here to prove we are anti-semites and has a good sense of humor.
1jola   
23 Oct 2009
History / Responsibility for Murder of Catholic Poles during WWII ? [172]

I would suggest you make an urgent phone call to the Auschwitz museum: they say the death-toll was 1.1 million and Jews made up less than a million of that!

10 years ago the plaque said 4 million. A mere discrepancy of 3 million. The 6 million figure is not equally mobile.

If you want to place any reliance at all in the figures provided by the Commies, well, that's your problem!

It's not me, Harry. The world placed total reliance on the Soviet figures for fifty years. The holocaust deniers have a good argument here; if you adjust the Auschwitz figures then you should adjust the total.

Yes: they haven't got foreskins. Which is very much their loss: foreskins are very useful.

I've heard they are a redneck delicacy in the U.S., known as pork rinds.

You are slightly confused with the 4 million, but that's immaterial. The denial laws are flexible; they are designed to muzzle any historian who doesn't sing the party line. The case of a young Polish historian shows this very well.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dariusz_Ratajczak

You are still evading the question? Why do Jews insist on imposing such laws?

A History of the American Jewish Joint Distribution Committee 1929-1939

You can take this source and wipe with it.

Here is Chapter 5:

5. Prelude to the Holocaust, p.180 (whole chapter)

A. Destruction of the Jewish existence in Poland 1929-1939

A joke, huh?

The rest of the Chapter headings all refer to Poland as anti-Semitic Poland.

Work of Joint Distribution Committee in anti-Semitic Poland

Total drivel. There was a good reason why you didn't link to the "source."
1jola   
23 Oct 2009
News / BNP far right in Poland [116]

It's easy here to pinpoint the anti-semites and racists here on this forum. Some do it outright and some conceal it by referring to "fact" from very questionable sources,

You just know an anti-semite when you see one, huh? You can spot one a mile away.

What if the right-wing sources try to indoctrinate us with nonsense?

Should we stick to leftist sources because they speak the truth? Please advise.
1jola   
23 Oct 2009
History / Responsibility for Murder of Catholic Poles during WWII ? [172]

Any historical event that requires law to enforce it, smacks of fraud. We can see that clearly in Russia today.

How many Poles have been arrested or fallen under Polish Holocaust Denial Laws for claiming less than 4 million Jews were murdered during the Holocaust?

You are avoiding the issue. How is it that Polish deaths are an unccountable estimate, but Jewish deaths are countable? And why do you need a law to enforce only the Jewish tragedy? Are Jews special in some way?

You also forgot to site the source of your pogrom list. You may do so now.
1jola   
23 Oct 2009
History / Responsibility for Murder of Catholic Poles during WWII ? [172]

But my reading of that law is that it covers denying the holocaust, not questioning the numbers and 1jola said "we have laws enforcing the numbers of Jewish deaths imposed on us".

If you insist that 4 million Jews died at Auschwitz the thought police will leave you alone, but if your research yields 1 million, you will quickly fall under the Holocaust Denial Laws. So, much for the precision of Jewish victims. Both numbers have been used for Auschwitz, yet we must firmly believe 6 million Jews died overall. Let me quote you M-G again:

It's impossible to determine how many non-Jewish Poles were killed by whom, also to exactly determine how many deaths there were in total as it was such a mess, it will always remain estimates as far as the non-Jewish Poles are concerned.

Let me simplify your statement: we are sure 6 million Jews were murdered and we are certain some Poles died too, but we just don't know how many so let's not bother with unimportant details. Repeat after me, there is only the Jewish Holocaust.
1jola   
22 Oct 2009
History / Responsibility for Murder of Catholic Poles during WWII ? [172]

It's impossible to determine how many non-Jewish Poles were killed by whom, also to exactly determine how many deaths there were in total as it was such a mess, it will always remain estimates as far as the non-Jewish Poles are concerned.

Whoever uses the term "non-Jewish Poles" should also refer to himself "a non-Muslim Dutchman."

While we have laws enforcing the numbers of Jewish deaths imposed on us, we silly Poles just don't know who died in our country because it is impossible to determine. lol
1jola   
20 Oct 2009
News / NEW PATRIOT MISSILES FOR POLAND [178]

U.S. NATIONAL DEBT CLOCK
The Outstanding Public Debt as of 20 Oct 2009 at 06:55:36 AM GMT is:

$11,961,963,026,965.92

The estimated population of the United States is 307,133,404
so each citizen's share of this debt is $38,947.12.

The National Debt has continued to increase an average of
$3.93 billion per day since September 28, 2007!

1jola   
15 Oct 2009
UK, Ireland / Legally changing my Polish name [28]

You're not only grumpy, but somewhat primitive. Jola is a female name, short for Jolanta. With your main hobby of sniffing after foreign females aroud Amsterdam, I'm surprisied you haven't sniffed out one yet.
1jola   
15 Oct 2009
UK, Ireland / Legally changing my Polish name [28]

Marcin is a very cool name, keep it. If you must change it, change it to Jola. :)

Names do matter though. In a study I read while back, in the US, the same CV sent to companies with the name Leslie Jones received much more attention than from Latifa Jones.
1jola   
14 Oct 2009
News / The Lisbon Treaty and land reperations [74]

Well...that's why the Treaty of Versailles couldn't work.
Poland did not only aquire masses of german territory but also german cities, towns and millions of Germans!
You don't really expected them to die for despised Poland, don't you...

That's why Hitler dismissed The Versaille Treaty in his Mein Kamf. German territory my arse, gerry.

I do hear you, Sokrates.