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NEW PATRIOT MISSILES FOR POLAND


rychlik 41 | 373  
16 Oct 2009 /  #1
WARSAW, Oct 16 (Reuters) - A senior U.S. official told Poland on Friday it could be one of the sites for interceptors envisaged under President Barack Obama's revised plans for missile defence in Europe.

Poland and the Czech Republic are still smarting from Obama's decision to shelve a Bush-era plan to install elements of a missile shield on their territory to protect against possible long-range missile attacks by Iran.

Under the new project, Washington will first deploy sea-based interceptors and then in a second phase deploy land-based systems involving SM-3 interceptors targeting short and medium-range missiles.

Article from Reuters.

Discuss.
derek trotter 10 | 203  
16 Oct 2009 /  #2
some even consider Frogs as an option

euranet.eu/eng/Today/News/English-News/Poland-ponders-own-anti-missile-shield
TheOther 5 | 3,891  
16 Oct 2009 /  #3
rychlik
Does Poland want to get burned again?
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163  
16 Oct 2009 /  #4
a U.S. battery of Patriot missiles

LOL !
OP rychlik 41 | 373  
17 Oct 2009 /  #5
Does Poland want to get burned again?

Why would they get burned??? A sovereign nation has a right to protect itself any way it wants. In fact I don't know why countries even disclose the kinds of weapons they have.
cheehaw 2 | 263  
17 Oct 2009 /  #6
well who knows. once all the govts sign the climate change treaty things will look different.

this is an interesting article

Obama Poised to Cede US Sovereignty, Claims British Lord

republicbroadcasting.org/?p=4794
sledz 23 | 2,250  
17 Oct 2009 /  #7
rychlik
Does Poland want to get burned again?

Why give them it to them coz all they are going to do is complain about it?

They complained about us installing the MDS and biatch now that weve deceided to take it out??

Let the EU protect them, they have France...lol
Lodz_The_Boat 32 | 1,535  
17 Oct 2009 /  #8
We dont need missiles. We need peace.
sjam 2 | 541  
17 Oct 2009 /  #9
Some have argued that having missiles ensured the peace that Western Europe enjoyed since WWII.
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163  
17 Oct 2009 /  #10
a right to protect itself

To protect ourselves we should buy some weapons, not bring in a few dozens of Yanks with 3rd rate junk.
gumishu 11 | 5,017  
17 Oct 2009 /  #11
We dont need missiles. We need peace.

tell it to the guy with a baseball bat who asks for your wallet - well perhaps you can still have peace after parting with it - but are you sure you will?
Lodz_The_Boat 32 | 1,535  
17 Oct 2009 /  #12
Some have argued that having missiles ensured the peace that Western Europe enjoyed since WWII.

It is time to throw away the weapons, and use that money to eradicate poverty, hunger, illiteracy and research.

To protect ourselves we should buy some weapons

To protect ourselves we must be friends to everyone. We must win hearts with love, we must do justice with everyone.

To protect ourselves we must not be partial. We must educate our future generations the meaning of moderation, harmony, tolerance and caring for others as much as we would care for ourselves.

the necessity of weapons can be only against the wrong doer. 10% of all the weapons of each country can be given to a UNITED NATIONS ARMY (by making UN more acceptable and more fair). This army can take care of nations which act stupid. While the rest of our money needs to go for upliftment of our children, and the children of the world.

Lets give this world a better future. :)

but are you sure you will?

He needs justice. Policeman must be there.

But this also calls for an education. If that man with baseball bat could be educated frm an early age about morality, righteousness, peace and harmony...maybe he would not do such a thing. Maybe his parents were wayward. The society must be our concentration. Weapons cannot ensure protection. Think about it.

I am not saying that we must complete remove weapons from the history of man. But weapons can be kept only with a united force. And only 10% of what we spend today for Defence, should be spent. And that money should go, to as mentioned, a United Force.

There is no option better than Peace and Love.
gumishu 11 | 5,017  
17 Oct 2009 /  #13
He needs justice. Policeman must be there.

say you are the guy with a wallet and Russia is the guy with the baseball - who do you think the policeman should be then - do you see any volunteers?

To protect ourselves we must be friends to everyone. We must win hearts with love, we must do justice with everyone.

are you suggesting that we should make friends with all those shaved heads with baseball bats? well it surely is an interesting/intriguing idea but I would insist you show us an example of yourself (be the change you want to see yes?)
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,884  
17 Oct 2009 /  #14
say you are the guy with a wallet and Russia is the guy with the baseball - who do you think the policeman should be then - do you see any volunteers?

Germans of course! Lodz loves Germans....he loves EVERYBODYYYYYY! :)
sjam 2 | 541  
17 Oct 2009 /  #15
the necessity of weapons can be only against the wrong doer.

This only ends up with repression by the majority on the dissenting minority—not freedom or peace.
Sometimes without armed resistance many injustices would not be righted. History and the present day has many examples of this and IMO it is simplistic to think otherwise. Why should Palestinians not defend themselves against Israel or Israel defend itself against its enemies?

If that man with baseball bat could be educated frm an early age about morality, righteousness, peace and harmony...maybe he would not do such a thing. Maybe his parents were wayward. The society must be our concentration. Weapons cannot ensure protection. Think about it.

Education cannot change our DNA but a missile defence-system can certainly help protect it ;-))
Lodz_The_Boat 32 | 1,535  
17 Oct 2009 /  #16
who do you think the policeman should be then - do you see any volunteers?

If its an international issue, let there be the international Police. As I mentioned earlier in my post (a clue).

are you suggesting that we should make friends with all those shaved heads with baseball bats?

Consult with our foes, and gather as friends.

Ther baseball man you are talking about is a frustrated, disoriented criminal. I take that you want to say that he is a hardened criminal. In such a case right justice would be through use of force. Prison, even the death-penalty.

Education cannot change our DNA

Crime is not in the DNA. It is from the society. Its the dark portion of the society. We must place light there...

Darkness has no existance. The absense of light is darkness. Let there be light!
Foreigner4 12 | 1,769  
17 Oct 2009 /  #17
They complained about us installing the MDS and biatch now that weve deceided to take it out??

yeah i'm really sure you were in on making that decision. as individuals, yanks like to pretend they somehow represent the american military industrial complex, almost without failure.

tell it to the guy with a baseball bat who asks for your wallet

and who does the guy with the bat represent in your little scenario?

It is time to throw away the weapons, and use that money to eradicate poverty, hunger, illiteracy and research.

Here I agree with your sentiments in that education is the best investment any people can make in their future but why do you want to eradicate research?

10% of all the weapons of each country can be given to a UNITED NATIONS ARMY (by making UN more acceptable and more fair).

one world central military? as commanded by...? Are you really that naive? Look through history and tell me if you see any pattern with rulers whether elected or otherwise, in fact before you do that rethink your silly idea.
Lodz_The_Boat 32 | 1,535  
17 Oct 2009 /  #18
eradicate research?

It was there by mistake. Infact I wanted to say, ensure research. Thank you for the correction.

as commanded by...?

A world government. Elected and represented by The People of The World.

Look through history and tell me if you see any pattern with rulers whether elected or otherwise, in fact before you do that rethink your silly idea.

Not in the infrastructure of the past.

Once upon a time EU would seem like a crazy idea.

Let some time pass... this idea will materialize aswell.
sledz 23 | 2,250  
17 Oct 2009 /  #19
yeah i'm really sure you were in on making that decision. as individuals, yanks like to pretend they somehow represent the american military industrial complex, almost without failure

Just like you another arm chair quarterback

Protect you own country then, or better yet let those big talking no acting EU pussies do something when theres trouble instead of running to the USA to save you.

Once upon a time EU would seem like a crazy idea.

They really pulled a scam over on the Limeys, look how its ruined thier counrty.

A world government. Elected and represented by The People of The World.

Good luck with that....lol

You live in a dream world

To protect ourselves we should buy some weapons, not bring in a few dozens of Yanks with 3rd rate junk

Why dont you build you own weapons then??
The Poles are always claiming how smart they are, whats the matter cant understand the technology?

Youre the clown that wanted the US to give Poland money because were not going to build the MDS anymore. And all the time before that you were opposed to it being built in the first place?

Talk about a fu_ckin Hypocrite!!!
scrappleton - | 830  
17 Oct 2009 /  #20
better yet let those big talking no acting EU pussies do something when theres trouble instead of running to the USA to save you.

Who couldn't even take care of their own citizens as the Somalis attacked their ships in the Indian Ocean.

F.uck these whining clowns.. if it weren't for the US, there would be no EU period. How about that Greggy? What a leader you are. LOL. If it weren't for the US , Europeans would be doing what they've been to each other for centuries.. beating each other's brains out. I say pull all those troops out of there and every dime spent on defense. Let them take care of themselves instead of the American tax payer for once. Europeans will be at each other's throats in no time at all.

I don't know what fool wants to give them Patriots any way.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
17 Oct 2009 /  #21
Sledz is correct again. The EU talks a good game but does nothing and that angers me. I could say the same so why do these creeps/cowards get paid?

The last point was the best. If Poland wants to feel safe, they need to develop their own technology. What America has done is to reveal the Polish hand. They signed the deal, implying that they needed protection from Iran (ROTFL, the missiles can't even reach Poland). Sorry, Obama is not bound by his predecessors so that's tough titties.

Poland signed the deal knowing that it may antagonise Russia. Now America is striking a meaningful dialogue with Russia so how does that make Poland look?
scrappleton - | 830  
17 Oct 2009 /  #22
The EU talks a good game but does nothing and that angers me.

The EU is exactly as that Russian homo on here said, "The EU is like a melon, kick and it will fall apart." End of story.
Sokrates 8 | 3,346  
17 Oct 2009 /  #23
Protect you own country then, or better yet let those big talking no acting EU pussies do something when theres trouble instead of running to the USA to save you.

When did Europe run to US to save them? If you mean WW2? Russia saved Europe not USA.

If you mean WW1 US saved France and UK, thats hardly saving Europe :) Or do you mean Poland?

Poland was never saved by USA in fact USA had a very hostile policy towards Poland in Yalta and when Poland was the part of the Eastern block it was the prime target to US nukes.

So US alternates from neutral to hostile in Polish case.

The Poles are always claiming how smart they are, whats the matter cant understand the technology?

Well a battery of patriots is hardly any protection.

if it weren't for the US, there would be no EU period.

Even though EU got created by Europeans without any involvement by America? You're an idiot chump.

beating each other's brains out.

Unlike Americans in their civil war...oh wait :)

Europeans will be at each other's throats in no time at all.

Not really, there's a lot more that we can agree then what we cant and our issues are more of a pissant nature then going to war, but hey i'm sure you with your extensive historical and political knowledge (sic!) are the guy to judge! :))
scrappleton - | 830  
17 Oct 2009 /  #24
Even though EU got created by Europeans without any involvement by America? You're an idiot chump.

Ahhh? Who are EU's central players , moron? Germany, France and GB.. all of whom would have been communist just like you chicken chokers until 89'. Communism = NO EU, Professor.

Unlike Americans in their civil war...oh wait :)

Try to stay in at least 20th century, as.s wipe. Europe tried to commit suicide not once but twice in not even 100 years. Ohhh but you are PF's professor with <lol> Polish masters' degrees. :-))) :- ))
Sokrates 8 | 3,346  
17 Oct 2009 /  #25
Ahhh? Who are EU's central players , moron? Germany, France and GB.. all of whom would have been communist just like you chicken chokers until 89'.

So? Russia would be unable to hold all of Europe just like it was unable to hold just half of it, in fact its likely that because of the larger mass of people and area communism would collapse that much sooner and we'd have 20 years extra to rebuild.

Try to stay in at least 20th century, as.s wipe. Eurpope tried to commit suicide not once but twice in not even 100 years. Ohhh but you are PF's professor with <lol> Polish masters' degrees.

Last i checked the only truly destructive war was WW2. WW1 was exhausting of course but it was quite different in nature, being a military conflict that hardly affected civilians (relative to WW2.

As for my degrees, they have nothing to do with me having basic historical knowledge and you having none whatsoever.

But hey just 50 years before WW1 you had your own war during which you had concentration camps for your own citizens, you stripped half of your country of resources and enslaved the provinces that tried to break free:)
sledz 23 | 2,250  
17 Oct 2009 /  #26
When did Europe run to US to save them? If you mean WW2? Russia saved Europe not USA.

Oh yeah thats right we werent even there..sorry

D- Day was just all propaganda

Well a battery of patriots is hardly any protection.

Im glad you feel that way, so you wont be needing them then...Thank you

I would still like to see Polands attempt of building a missle???

Sledz is correct again. The EU talks a good game but does nothing and that angers me. I could say the same so why do these creeps/cowards get paid?

Somebody has to keep voting these idiots in there?

Its such a dysfunctional government
scrappleton - | 830  
17 Oct 2009 /  #27
So? Russia would be unable to hold all of Europe just like it was unable to hold just half of it, in fact its likely that because of the larger mass of people and area communism would collapse that much sooner and we'd have 20 years extra to rebuild.

They held you and baltics, S.E. Europe under their heel with relatively little fuss. That is until the US bankrupted them. France more or less just went along with Nazi rule. I'm thinking , yes Russians probably could have ruled the continent. Stalin was going to kill most of the Germans. Europe's not even that large of a land mass, Professor. Maybe you haven't been outside of your homeland much. : - )))))

C'mon Professor let's have another weekend of you blaming the US because you're not a Polack millionaire. :- D
gumishu 11 | 5,017  
17 Oct 2009 /  #28
Ther baseball man you are talking about is a frustrated, disoriented criminal. I take that you want to say that he is a hardened criminal. In such a case right justice would be through use of force. Prison, even the death-penalty.

yes I think he is a 'recydywa' and doesn't really like to change his ways - you haven't really answered who do you see as the policeman in this scenario - if there are no police we need to defend ourselves don't we

Poland signed the deal knowing that it may antagonise Russia. Now America is striking a meaningful dialogue with Russia so how does that make Poland look?

I don't know what you mean by 'meaningful' here - America is just making concessions to Russia for their support (perhaps trade embargo) in dealing with Iran

someone quite recently pointed out in Polish weblogs that what Americans (and the NATO) are doing in Afghanistan now is actually protecting Russia from the spread of militant islam if anything else - ok let's say Americans are funding Americas huge military industry sector at the expense of strengthening Russia's geopolitical position

why don't we let the islamist extremism spread into Russia - let them deal with it
btw Russians are more than glad to have nuke reduction cause they would scrap some of their ageing arsenal anyway
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
17 Oct 2009 /  #29
One where cooperation and moving forward are emphasised. It may have slipped your attention but bargaining with Russia is not really that important when you consider that Israel has been allowed to operate unilaterally without the nod of either Russia or America. They will attack Iran when they see fit. If you think that either Russia or America will stand up to Israel, you are wrong.
Sokrates 8 | 3,346  
17 Oct 2009 /  #30
They held you and baltics, S.E. Europe under their heel with relatively little fuss.

See, thats the problem with you, you're like a monkey attempting physics, there've multiple repeated riots and upheavals in Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Yugoslavia, Poland, i'm not even going into how turbulently the communism fell and that the first riots started in the 50s.

The problem with you Scrappleton is not that you're unpleasant or anti-something, you're just dumb, ignorant and uneducated, get some booktime before you come back.

I'm thinking

Not once since you registered here.

yes Russians probably could have ruled the continent.

For how long? They lost approximately 30% of their able bodied men, the survivors were often crippled, Russia was severely battered and you're postulating they expand resources to occupy Germany, France, Itally, Spain, Portugal, Low countries, UK?

Stalin was going to kill most of the Germans.

Was he? Last i checked Stalin had no formal or informal plans to genocide the Germans, what are you basing that claim on?

Europe's not even that large of a land mass,

No but its one of the most tightly packed, EU alone beats US in regards of population by over 180 milion people, of course it was adequately less in 1945 but so was Russia and Russia was badly depopulated.

Russia alone had approximately 140 milion people, substract women, children,the elderly and you're left with maybe 30 milion men, Russia lost over 20 milion citizens, over 15 milion males, either in executions or war effort, at the end of the war Russia was left with perhaps 15 milion men who could potentially serve in the army and you still need to repopulate, rebuild the economy, Russia would have long term issues with holding a gigantic population like Europe under boot, especially if it was farther away from the border.

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