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It looks that the situation cooled a little bit down, so we can get back to this interesting thread without any anger or other negative emotions.
"Put power in the hands of the Polish people and they'll only go and fuck it up. Again." is what my Polish History lecturer at the Jagiellonian University told me. Polish history is littered with events in time where, when the Poles have power they always go into a state of anarchy after a period of time.
Very interesting assumption. But if we take it as a ultimate truth, there is a very crucial question emerging, namely: how Poland could have survived for over eight hundred years on it’s own?? Better yet, how did the Poles manage to establish their country as one of the most powerful countries in Europe, starting from the beginning of the 15th till the mid 17th centuries?(actually they were very successful even before that time, but this period is considered to be the heyday of the Rzeczpospolita)
My Polish History lecturer was not a commie, she is a student of History. If you care to read up on Polish history you'll find that the Polish country as it was was exceedingly good at messing things up. Don't take my word for it, put your head in a history book and find out for yourself.
Exceedingly good at messing things up? Wow, that’s a very strong word. I agree that Poland made some wrong decisions in it’s history, but so did France, England, Russia, etc… Labeling only Poles with this expression is unfair and not truth.
As for your Polish History Lecturer, I met similar people in my life and all I can say abut them is, that there are exaggerating. They behave just like rape victims, blaming only themselves for what have happened. It’s truth, that one of the reasons that Poland disappeared from the surface of Europe was the fact that some nobles were thinking more about their gain instead oh the gain of their country. But we cannot underestimate other significant causes of that situation, such as the effects of the participation in many armed conflicts at the same time (the ongoing rivalry on multiple borders with the Ottoman Empire, the Swedes and the Russians; another war with Sweden and with Cossack at the same time, etc). Poland survived all this conflicts, but was weakened by them, which finally lead to the partition of it’s territory by it’s three neighbors.
In conclusion, your history lecturer seems to forget over 700 prosperous years when Poland was a very strong country, and only focus on the last 80 miserable ones.…How fair is that?
Or maybe you were thinking about the 20th century Polish history? That would be also interesting, as I don’t remember Poles exceedingly messed something up in that period.
Ahem, fist millenium was from the year 0 - 999,
Second millenium from the year 1000 - 1999
Polish as a language was recognised sometime between 1000 - 1999. This is the second millenium. Therefore, Polish wasn't spoken before the second millenium.
You are the idiot, not me.
"Polish began to emerge around the 10th century, the process largely triggered by the establishment and development of the Polish state."
Yes, Polish began to emerge around 10th century. FYI, 10th century is between the years 900-999. :)
I still don’t understand why is that so important…Besides, it’s not that Poles didn’t knew how to speak before 10th century.
Mr Cogito - We have managed to stay on the Map for considerably longer though - we didnt dissapear for 123 years,
The advantage of the UK is that it’s placed on an island. What would be the fate of England if it would be surrounded by three hostile super powers, just as it was the case with Poland?
I really dont want to get into some sensless argument about this but Poland has been invaded more times than i've had hot dinners and lost a great deal of the time, the English have battles (may I add that we are a tiny Island) and done quite well.
Lost a great deal of the time? I would say that’s the other way around.
