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Sokrates   
26 Mar 2009
News / Some Poles burning American flag [299]

well, not really because to be honest saying that you would have regained your independence on your own without any help is unrealistic.

And who and how did help Poland regain its independence? Let me rephrase, Russia was collapsing under the weight of its own failing economy and Poles simply overthrew the Russian-puppet goverment in Poland and took their own independence.

There was no international pressure on Russia, no massive financial support, whats unrealistic to my statement?
Sokrates   
26 Mar 2009
News / Some Poles burning American flag [299]

So you mean that the Polish troops were only following orders?

I mean that Polish troops would get shot and Poland would get invaded by Russia in case it did not comply and you know it, in fact there were mass desertions among troops destined for Czechoslovakia.

Also given Czech attempts to annex the Kłodzko region directly after the war there was not that much social unrest over it but still Polish nation did not want nor supported it and it was not a Polish decision or a Polish move.
Sokrates   
25 Mar 2009
News / Some Poles burning American flag [299]

Sokrates, make up your mind man. Which part of your Statement is right? You regained your independence on your own or with our support?
Something is not adding up here, lol.

We regained independence on our own as in, we would do it with or without support but support made it easier, better now?
Sokrates   
25 Mar 2009
News / Some Poles burning American flag [299]

Well, it was that and the fact that Hungarian and Czech troops refrained from invading Poland when Poland was going through its revolution

They refrained from nothing, Russia refrained from it since Poland would fight, it would lose but Russia was not ready for consequences of such confrontation.

unlike the Polish troops which invaded Hungary and Czechoslovakia during their revolutions....

You know you're starting to become PF village idiot with your anti-Polonism, Poland had nothing to do with troops being sent, the communist goverment was not representative of Poland or Polish people, it was an enforced upon us by Russia and we cant be held responsible for its actions (and if Hungary and Czech troops would indeed enter Poland i could not hold their respective countries responsible for the same reasons).
Sokrates   
25 Mar 2009
News / Some Poles burning American flag [299]

I repeat myself. (Poland was a beaten nation) The people who protested in the streets ended up in the oven.

Dude... we are talking about fall of comunism in the 90s now, as far as WW2 was concerned Poland was occupied by Russia and there's nothing US has in common with that history.

Other than WW2, Poland did nothing to free themselves from communism other than Lech Walensa. At least the Chechs battled Russian tanks with Molotov cocktails.

You crack me up, we did nothing? It was WE that begun the fall, not the Berlin Wall, not the hopeless Hungarian and Czech revolutions but our peacefull movement, we were both strong and united enough to topple communism in Poland through sheer determination, after that it was domino effect that freed other countries.

Poland freed itself with its own strength (not for the first time too).

Any thanks about Poles fighting for and gaining their freedom goes to your Grand parents. Unlike the younger Polish generation, they were the pride of Poland. Due to their sacrifices you young punks are enjoying the fruits of their sacrifices

Here's a thing for you to think about, my long dead grandfather was told me "we kissed girls, we swore, we even had an odd drink but when the moment came, everyone rose up".

Its the same with current generations, they might have their own ways but when push comes to shove they would rise to the occasion, Poland never EVER suffered from lack of patriots in war time, its when peace came that problems started:)
Sokrates   
25 Mar 2009
News / Some Poles burning American flag [299]

You covered your self by quoting (With assistance).

By assistance i mean newspapers and radio Poles operated from abroad, there was no significant political pressure to "free Poland".

was a beaten nation.

Like hell it was, especially when milions of people took to the streets in protest or when a Pole became a Pope, Poland freed itself from Russian dominance because it was a lot of things and none of them beaten.

But unlike you they respected Americans.

I respect America, i think its one of the greatest countries in living history, its just that i dont see Poland owing anything at all to it.
Sokrates   
25 Mar 2009
News / Some Poles burning American flag [299]

No ,America never fought for you.. I then wonder why Poland regained her independence. If not for the western allies, you would still be under Russian control.

Nope, communism toppled over because of its inherent economic weakness and we regained our independence with our own strenght (though not without support).

Not a penny? Did you ever hear of American lend lease. Money that was not paid back.

That was purely in US interest, USA did not want Germany to win also lend lease was not instrumental to Russia victory so i'm sorry but Poland owes US absolutely nothing.
Sokrates   
25 Mar 2009
History / Jewish love towards Poles [389]

At times, its very professional and tries to resist political pressures.
Sokrates   
25 Mar 2009
News / Poland..wake up to a multicultural world [1059]

You're in the EU now, things will change :(

Not really, we dont have the law or the liberal approach, massive immigration would meet with such admistrative and social hostility they'd simply stop coming.
Sokrates   
25 Mar 2009
Love / How can a black man get a Polish women [248]

I guess if I said jew I would get in trouble too.

One day someone will tell Randal "all Jews are Pakis" and his head is gonna explode.

Another reason not to marry certain minorities?

Oh come on, a friend of mine married a Turk and they're very happy when he's not beating the living shit out of her.
Sokrates   
25 Mar 2009
History / Jewish love towards Poles [389]

and badly trained morons at that.

IDF is VERY well trained and runs quite smoothly despite conscription, if a soldier wears such a t-shirt it means that he's met with general consent and aproval or indifference, otherwise he'd be bashed by his CO the moment he'd be seen in something like that.
Sokrates   
25 Mar 2009
News / Poland embraces new effort to fight anti-Semitism [138]

You miss one small but rather crucial point: the employers are not selling anything, they are buying labour. Poles are selling their labour and selling it at 30% below the price charged by British workers. They are doing exactly what the Jewish shopkeepers supposedly did in Pennboy's fable.

Lol, its cute when you're trying to grasp basic economics :)

We? We? You did nothing in the time of need! You'd run away to west.

We, we, because most Poles believe it or not did something, my parents did something, their parents did something, milions of Poles stood up and said "No" but then again what do you know of Polish history:)
Sokrates   
25 Mar 2009
History / Jewish love towards Poles [389]

An army statement said the customised clothing was produced outside military auspices

ONLY because Haaretz made it public which shows clearly that without publicity there is consent that they're not tasteless or to be condemned.
Sokrates   
24 Mar 2009
History / Jewish love towards Poles [389]

Nor are they part of the offical Israel uniform.

But Israeli soldiers wear them.
Sokrates   
24 Mar 2009
History / Jewish love towards Poles [389]

oh yes they are, crude and rude just like the average squaddie.

I've never seen Americans wear them or anyone else for that matter so no, t-shirts advocating genocide are not a standard wordlwide though they are apparently popular in Israeli Army.

It's not like the shirts express official policy

Yes they do, there's civlian casualities from the last Israeli action to prove that.
Sokrates   
24 Mar 2009
History / Jewish love towards Poles [389]

No they are not. Why arent American or Russian or Polish soldiers wearing them?
Sokrates   
24 Mar 2009
History / Jewish love towards Poles [389]

Dude, they're t-shirts.

In a country which kills muslims the countries soldiers who participate in the killings wear T-shirts advocating genocide, these are not "just" T-shirts, they're "THE" T-shirts.
Sokrates   
24 Mar 2009
History / Jewish love towards Poles [389]

Ah, I knew someone would bring up silly t-shirts as a "real" issue.

Good one, so thats not a real issue? What is it then?
Sokrates   
24 Mar 2009
News / Some Poles burning American flag [299]

We have America to thank for winning WWII

We have America to thank for saving half the civilized Europe from Russia, thats not the same and Lord knows i say that with mixed feelings seeing how Poland got bent over in the process.
Sokrates   
24 Mar 2009
News / Some Poles burning American flag [299]

That's why it's no point to discuss about it because we'll both defend our opinions to the end.

However i'd say that since all historians including American ones reached the consensus that lend lease was so very small and that Russia would win by itself the discussion is moot, its interesting though how deeply Americans are being indoctrinated.
Sokrates   
24 Mar 2009
History / Jewish love towards Poles [389]

If you are Polish then you must be... You sucked It in with your mother's milk.

True true.

Sokrates, no denying it, some of your posts come off as anti semitic.

Oh but there's denying it and i deny it but since you failed to produce any proof i think we can finish this:)

@Harry notice i say "taking property of others" i'm perfectly fine with Jewish civilians who took Palestinian homes by force being targeted, if you're occupying someones home willingly and knowingly that makes you a thief and a viable target regardless of your militant status but you of course ignored that deliberately so you could bring Warsaw uprising as an example :))))
Sokrates   
24 Mar 2009
News / Some Poles burning American flag [299]

You make it sound very unimportant

It was important for Britain and France, it was also important for Russia since it made its losses smaller, it was completely irrelevant to Eastern and Central Europe and the outcome of the war however.

I realise you learn that US saved Europe but thats objectivity of history books for you, everyone has their own version.
Sokrates   
24 Mar 2009
History / Jewish love towards Poles [389]

I stand by it, any civilian choosing to knowingly take property and livelyhood of other people in a contested warzone must conform with becoming a target, this is my outlook regardless of nationality, tough luck there buck i'm still not an antisemit:)
Sokrates   
24 Mar 2009
News / Some Poles burning American flag [299]

What you dont learn in schools i bet is that the amount of hardware sent by LL was absolutely minuscule compared to resources Russia already had.

Complete list, LL made it slightly easier for Russia to fight but yes, Russia would have won with or without it, the other way around, without Russia sucking up more than 70% of all German military assets the landings in Normandy would have been squashed in a matter of days even if you unloaded every single tank and soldier.

I dont like it anymore you do but the fact is all the most important battles were fought by Russia, allies just made the war shorter by a year or so.
Sokrates   
24 Mar 2009
History / Jewish love towards Poles [389]

Yours, Harry's, Sjams, and Randal's opinions don't carry much weight here, just so you know.

Fun fact, i dont think HB and Randal even notice such things and Sjam and Harry wouldnt care either:)
Sokrates   
24 Mar 2009
History / Jewish love towards Poles [389]

He's denying but whatever. It's his opinion, not ours.

Untill you can produce proof in the form of links i really dont care for your lies anymore, bye:)
Sokrates   
24 Mar 2009
News / Some Poles burning American flag [299]

I see a lot of hate for America in here from Europeans. It might be a good idea for you all to remember WW2

Which Russia won.

fighting a war to give you Europeans freedom

Fighting a war to protect American influence in the West.

Lets look back at America sacrificed for your freedom.

Nothing, not a penny, America was fighting to stop a hegemony from rising in Europe, freedom of Europeans was an issue as far as newsreels were concerned, it was in reality cold hard politics.

WHY?? you ungrateful BASTARDS

Why us educated bastards who have some idea what we're talking about:)

Ps. I'm Polish. USA never EVER fought for my freedom, USA sold my country to Russia so dont you even dare calling me ungratefull or a bastard, if anyone is one its you, and not ungratefull just ignorant.

Poland does not owe USA anything, on the other side USA probably owes Poland its won war of independence (read up on Kościuszko), while i firmly believe US to be the greatest country and nation currently the only thing Poland owes you is a kick in the shin.
Sokrates   
24 Mar 2009
History / Jewish love towards Poles [389]

am just criticising some of your posts because I have a vested interest.

Which ones?

What happened to freedom of speech?

Has its limits when it becomes lies and slander, i asked you to quote anti-semitic posts mine or anyone else, you refused knowing there are none but kept claiming they exist.