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Nope, they've stalemated in the war of 1519 because Poland had to disband part of its units due to financial problems and demands from the HR Emperor due to invasion of Hungary by Turks and thats about it, Poland stopped mainly because it was convenient to consent to the Emperors request while sorting out the treasury, before the conflict could be restarted Prussia became secular and a vassal of Poland, as such it conceeded and the point of war vanished, thats about it.

As for Prussian-Polish war the main engagement is the siege of Warsaw.


You make me question the IQ list of Europe.

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Becuase Teutons repeatedly fielded large powerfull armies?

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Russian, Cossack, Ottoman, all of the Teutonic wars except the Bishop one, entire Deluge which is first a Swedish-Polish-Prussian - Polish war, then a Swedish-Prussian-Cossack-Wallachian-Moldavian-Russian - Polish war(like i said everyone and their brother).

Then you get Tartar invasions which in larger versions were regular wars against large cavalry armies.


Germany in its fractured state would be turned into a nice parking ground by all those armies if not for that sucky list, another reason why you were able to develop relatively peacefully is because this sucky list exists, if we lost guess who'd get to become the frontier next.

Also installing Tsars was awesome, they never forgot us that, everrrr :))))

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Jesus no, we've lost 10 or more wars in total, Poland won around 70% of the total wars, the rest ended in stalemate and a few ended in defeat, typically of Poles most of the defeats were brought by political conflicts within rather than superior military might of the enemy.

Just to be exact, we've lost one war to Germany (1939), 2 wars to Russia, 1 to Sweden, 2 to Cossacks, i'm not counting the national uprisings though, i might forgot something since its off the top of my head.

There's also a few wars which ended up in stalemates. The majority of losses are assosiated with partitions, then you get Poles losing the Kościuszko, January and November uprisings but i'm not counting those since apart from January Poland did not have an army or just a remnant of it, in Janurary uprising it gave Russia a run for its money.

Then you get into XX century when Poland wins Silesian uprisings against Germany, wins a war against Ukraine, wins a war against Russia and then its 1939.


You really want to me recount all of them? Also you have to realise that a number of those have been big in their time, an army of 70-100k men was huge in 16 century, the Deluge is actually several wars in rapid succession.

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ALL not only against Germany, if we count only huge wars than we're down to about 60, many of these Cossack uprisings were huge wars.

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Which ones? The 1920 one wheh 800k Poles beat the living crap out of 1.5+ milion Russians?

Ohh wait the ones where we installed Tsars in Moscow must have sucked, we've been kicked out...after a year.

Vienna was pretty crappy too, and Khotyń, i mean winning against 150k Turks with 30k of your own is pathetic.

Then there's Smoleńsk war in which we spank Russia, again.

The Deluge in which everyone and their brother invades Poland, they won...no wait they did not, i'm just listing the most obvious but yeah you're right, winning against enemies who'd regularly field armies that would make most Western countries crap their pants sucks.

As for 1939, yes the war lasted a month but whats missed is the 700k Russians pouring down our Eastern borders.

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Well we tortured quite a few Slavs, we were famous for impaling Cossacks and captured Tartars.


Oh in one of those we invaded Germany as a whole and it still lost:)

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Notice that despite Poland despite having such a crazy war machine between 14th and 16th centuries never took over a single German city, thats some of those esoteric wannabe psychologic things at work for you, militaristic, agressive yes, but not overly expansive.


Not gonna work mate, i'm much harder to bait than that, the reason you were so eager to partition us was because participating states were ruled by absolute monarchies and Poland came up with an idea of national democracy.


Different cultures react differently to falling, you've invented Hitler, we've invented the "Poland the Martyr" thing, in reality just to keep the peace in the partitioned lands all three participants kept most of their forces here.

Germany and Poland have the most accomplished military histories in Europe, the difference is how popular culture remembered us and geography, you got a better starting point.

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Wikipedia is your man, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Poland

If we discard minor conflicts and WW1 as well as uprisings (both won and lost) you're still left with over 70 wars, notice how Germany wins only one or two.

Keep a winning streak for 700 years and lose a few wars in 150 something years and you're suddenly butt end of all jokes :)

And to put a final dot over an I, if our record against Germans was so abysmal you'd just roll over us early on and kept settling the East, there's a reason why there's a Polish-German border, a bunch of reasons starting in 972 and lasting to 1156:)

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There's 8 wars we lost throught history, there's more than 90 we fought, our military achievement is quit a bit larger than yours:)

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Like i said, its likely that some episode of "Prussianism" will happen but dont expect it to last or to be the same in magnitude to the previous ones, the very nature of the system requires military achievement and modern military does not allow for a country with limited resources to go party like we could in the past.

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There's only one country i hate and thats Belarus, and its only because their goverment nicked my car, when i got it back it was without seats and most of electronics.

As for the book i'll buy and read it, i never said Prussia was not impressive, just that it was bound to fail due to artificially enforced ideologies, it did fail, its extension failed as well.

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I always point at them too.


Then i pinch them and tell them i come in peace and show them my watch asking if they ever saw something shiny like that.

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Who's facts?:)


I try, Lithuanians both at Tannenberg and all the way till 15 century were a country catching up with Poland and the West, their armies at the time were sub par.


Psychology and sociology are esoteric?


If you say so:)


Tell me, what are the patrons of Luftwaffe, what traditions does the Bundeswehr fall back upon:) Check them out they're interesting.

History is a crucial uniting and driving factor, in German history there is a huge gap called WW1 and WW2, its being tought, referred too but its a problem, "The Fall" is a good movie as it shows German attempts to come to grips with history.

There's nothing dramatic, romantic or esoteric about it, Russia being an uncivilized country can and does rewrite history into its own false version, Germany for centuries was a country in which culture, history and tradition played a pivotal role and suddenly you're yanked out of this development path by Prussia, shaped into a militant state which unable to deal with its failure transforms into a more extreme form of itself under Hitler.

Now you're left with a huge gap in your history and culture which most German historian and politicians aprooch on tip toes, the continouity of national identity development has been broken, Germany searches for reference point on which to anchor itself which is not a problem immidietaly influencing everyday life but in the long term it does.

Also Prussia wont cut it for Germans, ultimately you'll hit a point of transformation again into a more militant state but there's a vast number of Germans who are panicked by the very thought and will actively oppose it, also your social support model will weigh you down.

You love Prussia BB and will die screaming defending the idea that its good and might be back, one day maybe but not in our grandkids lives:)

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Why not? They did under Chocim (see battle of Khotyn) with much smaller force against a much larger Turkish army.


Blucher and the Prussian army did hardly any fighting and if alone they could not do anything since his army was moslty fresh recruits and Landwehr, Poland single handedly broke the entire Turkish army in the field, the only thing the alliance had to do was hold vienna.


Just the same.


Most of the later wars were done only by Poles or by Poles and token Lithuanian forces, Poles won all of them, also battle of Koronowo a few weeks after Grunwald where Poles alone massacred a teutonic army twice their size, then you get the Prussian siege of Warsaw where Polish forces humiliate a large Prussian force by holding to not even a fortress but a large city.

Guess its not so dismall at all.


You're mistaking me with Rafal, i've just said that you maintain the most powerful martial force in Europe, i do however claim that the militant streak over which you went to war past 2 times is gone due to social conditioning.


Looking out of my window in Breslau i beg to differ.


I'm an admirer of Germany (though i hate German language) i just dont overestimate it, Germany has great discipline as a part of their culture and is capable of great rallying in times of need (gee much like Poland, take that Rafał) but by shaping your society around such a heavy socialized system and losing historical identity you've created a creeping enemy that decays from inside, against whom discipline is useless.


A trait developed naturally via human interaction rather than one decided upon arbitraly by individuals and then forcefully conditioned upon the population (Prussian kings fracking with their nations mentality and culture by creating a heavily militant society).

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And why do we need 960 tanks?


No i'm lazy, go to pancerni.net or something and ask around, Germany has 500-600~ tanks in active service and upwards of 1000 in total, originally they built over 2000 but they sold many to Sweden, Low Countries, Poland and others.


We're talking about Vienna? The same Vienna where in two battles Poles break the back of the entire Turkish army, the same Vienna where the presence of Polish shock troops was the single factor due to which German states survived? As for Grunwald, no we're nottalking about it, we're talking about the following teutonic wars, the thirteen years war, the Gollub War, the Hunger War, the pacification of Prussia and loss of most of its army during the Swedish invasion or the repeated Prussian failures under Warsaw and even in the face of majority of the Polish forces facing Russia.

Finally not military but defnitely militant takeover of the Prussian occupied Polish lands after WW1 when Polish militias overpower German Police and military, Polish military incompetence is a myth and while Germany certainly produced competent soldiers its military power is equally overblown, just the other way around.


I'm sorry i always get the two mixed up.


Nope, what you describe is are general civilizational and cultural traits aquired and shaped by Germans over the centuries, the militant philosophy of Prussia and by extention of the Reich was what made Prussian spirit and that part died for good, you have said yourself that Germans are content, what you fail to notice is the reasons behind said content.

Initially it was the trauma of having caused such a war, while most Germans were vaguely aware of what the business was about, after the war they had to face it up front and i imagine thats not easy, as a result an extremely benevolent social system and family model was created.

While Germany has a militant streak deep down the "Prussian spirit" was an artificial construct which came and now went.

As for us Poles over the last several centuries we've developed a weird martyrologic romantic culture, defeats make us stronger since we instantly glorify them, on the downside we forget that for the better part of history we were the winners, the point here is that our culture through odd quirks of history is better suited to deal with getting spanked, Germany first responded with Hitler and now with severe identity crisis.

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France had a pathetic army, it had good equipment but its soldiers and officers were extremely demoralized.


If it was that easy Poland would crush both Germany and Russia in 1939.


And wont be for generations to come, post WW2 trauma associated with killing more than 30 milion innocents coupled with overblown social system managed to kill off the prussian heritage for good, it took generations in Prussia to build a militant society which peaked in the 30s and 40s of the XX century, its not sparkly magic of being a German, its a process that shapes national potential.


Nice but not true, you make weaponry thats on par with everybody around you, as for your blood its only with the rise of Prussia that Germany became a true powerhouse, thats 180~ years of power in opposition to more than 700 years of struggle so i'd be carefull with that "in our blood" there's a militant thread in Germany but no more than in France or Poland.

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Right, German Army has about 1000 Leopards in 2A4, 2A5 and 2A6 modes which is more first generation tanks than France and UK have together, they have ordered 185 modern heavy self propelled artillery, by comparison we're pondering an order of 48 pieces and France has something like 90.

German army is the most powerfull in Europe in terms of equipment, its training is sometimes lacking but is generally on high standard and while it may no longer be able to repeat the feats of WW2 its still the strongest martial force out there barring nukes.


Which one? We've been on opposite sides in quite a few and thus far you won one:)

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True true, they're evil people those Germans. By the way should we boot them from NATO?


While German society as such has ceirtanly lost its edge due to variety of factors German army is the strongest in Europe and needs to be regarded as such.

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I would, they kept losing to Israel for a reason, Israels army is far from elite or invincible.

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French, German, British, Polish, Spanish etc... You would be amazed to what an energy crisis can push countries, together we ceirtanly have assets to secure ME resources.

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Islamic countries are currently living in a stone age trading goats, whatever the US spouts about axis of evil their armies are weak and societies backwards, they're dynamic and evolving into a weird nazi like religion but it will take decades for them to become an organised threat, Russia on the other hand has all the assets and features of one.


Not as far? Onet.pl reported just yesterday that by investing into bio-fuels Poland is able to reduce imports from Russia by 75%.


Gulf countries are better for a number of reasons, most of which include our ability to occupy them and take their resources if they get uppity like US did to Iraq, when Russia finally falls in on itself we wont be able to intervene on account of their nukes.

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Russia is the single greatest threat to civilization and European order, i'd put Islam first but its still developing while Russia is a full blown problem.

Irresponsible extremely chauvinistic internal and international policies, depencency of the goverment on the military, non-existent economy in a nation that relies on its natural resources which will become depleted in our lifetime, entire society bred on propaganda and false history resulting in a nation which is terrifingly backwards.

Poles dont think that Russia is the greatest enemy but we know they're the greatest threat and quite frankly Poland has a much better grasp of Russias policies than Germany.

I've read your posts, i stand by opinion that we should NOT strengthen our ties with Russia rather than heavily invest into alternative sources since Russias collapse or crisis is not a question of "if" but "when" with an answer "soon".

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Because Russian military is **** poor, nuclear assets included, they dont have enough nuclear assets to cover everything, just the most important targets none of which are in Poland, even if we had a thousand shields.

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Thats mainly because we lean on Russia, biofuel, solar and wind and nuclear energy, they're all safer than dependency on Russia, lets assume a completely real scenario that you build Nord Stream and increase imports and then one day Russia breaking every single treaty and contract demands a price 10 times higher, or 20, Europe collapses.

I still think depending on Russia is a suicide on an European scale waiting to happen especially when we have alternatives.

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BB while Germany is the strongest economy in Europe its 'not' essential for its development, you're overlplaying Germanys role in Europe, a lot.

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I still remember when Sjam called openly for murder of Polish babies, disregard his posts he's anti-Polish.

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Thats free market for you.


Thats it isnt it?:) So could you please tell me why didnt they appoint Steinbach?

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It shows that Germans treat us as partners (contrary to what you say) and what we say actually matters.


So i take it you dont have tv or buy newspapers?


I'm correcting you, you're wrong:
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and thats just one example.

Kaczyński openly says "we're not going to build partnership with Germany" what kind of a thing is that for a Prime Minister to say? How is it justified?

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Oh no no, we put our cock on her shoulder and say "hi", if she likes my cock she'll date me, i bought my cock in a country and named him Peter, he's an awesome cock, got me into so many dates.