History / Russia: Poland responsible for WW II [300]


An absolutely stupid move on our part however incomparable with what Russia and Germany did, these two countries share responsibility for the world war, remember that Russia had an intention of starting WW2 (pushing westwards) Germans just beat them to it.


No, thats mainly because you make them Konstanty :))

History / Poland before WWII or Poland now what would you choose? [390]


So was there a form of communism suitable for Poland?:)


Oh yes i can deny it, i'd agree that some were happy but not "many" if "many" were happy then you wouldnt get movements like Solidarność, the fact is that for the vast majority of Poles the cons of communism such as lack of freedom and democracy far outweighed regular salaries.

History / Poland before WWII or Poland now what would you choose? [390]

Yes civilians, and after WW2 when Polish army moved into Galicja you got your ass handed to you again in "Operation Wisła" all you Ukrainians could ever fight was women and children since whenever our soldiers came you got served, we were too lenient to you in the past :)))

History / Poland before WWII or Poland now what would you choose? [390]


Took Lwów after WW1 :-))))

History / Poland before WWII or Poland now what would you choose? [390]


So wikipedia and every history book (apart from the German ones) as well as every historical source about Gdańsk is lying? I'm sorry but Americans on this forum are really morons, together with JohnP you're probably the most preposterous poster here:)


Or because it exists as a state or nation for less than 2 centuries, US is young and has no significant cultural achievement as well:)


Really? Gall Anonimus as well as a number of other medieval chronicers do mention it quite a lot, in fact the name Danzig becomes official only in late 16 century when Germans become an influential group :)


I'm sorry but these are the facts in every history book worldwide that treats on the subject, not only Polish ones :) Also calling people who single handedly toppled communism as communist is not very fitting is it? But then again you're an idiot hellbent on insulting us once your lack of reason was revealed.


Of course but the fact remains they were enforced upon us and it took military force to even keep Poland communist, once this military force proved unable to help communism was toppled in an eyeblink so calling the country communist..well he's an American so i'm not even mad :)

History / Poland before WWII or Poland now what would you choose? [390]


Actually thats the problem, Freebird presented a lot of his own opinionated rubbish and an article that blatantly ignores the uncomfortable facts from Gdańsk' history, such as it being built by Poles.


No wonder Ukraine has almost no culture :)))


First recorded settlement, oh we named it Gdańsk as well :))


Quite the opposite, the city was in Polish hands untill late 16th century, even though it was for a time under Teutonic rule the population and city goverment was Polish, the majority of Polish troops serving for the Teutonic order came from the region of Gdańsk :)))


Except present them here so you wouldnt be able to rewrite history, ps Lwów is a historically Polish city too, enjoy it mate your military spending is twice smaller than the Polish one :)))

History / Poland before WWII or Poland now what would you choose? [390]


Who's your friend? Personally i think that USa is a pile of shite and Poland gives US too much money, support and attention, we ought to enter a businesslike relationship with you instead of wiping your ass, i definitely do not consider myself friend of America or Americans who by and large are a moronic breed.


Yes given great efforts your people go to diminish the fact that your nation commited greatest genocide in the history of our species and that families of virtually every german had direct or indirect part in it you're the one to talk :)


No but since its also not written by you Gdańsk remains a historically Polish city and Wrocław remains built by Czechs not by Germans, of course you're here to prove your point of view which is detached from any historical credibility but hey, its yours :)


You're a moron mate but besides that, why are you here, on Polish forums? Whats your purpose here?

History / Poland before WWII or Poland now what would you choose? [390]


Like i said the source you posted is a revisionist pseudo historical bit of trash that blatantly lies about historically confirmed facts, after WW2 there was no free state of Gdansk thats for one, second Poland never advocated genocide against Germans, there's no documented evidence for that with the explicit reason of Poland simply not doing it and apart from revisionists no one in their right mind claims so.

The primary culprits were the red army, i cannot adress this fragment because it could just as well claim "Poles are from Mars" claiming Poles did murder or advocated murder of Germans is not only a lie but a completely baseless one.

Now could you please give us a credible source with something documented rather than this speculative revisionist pamphlet?


Buddy i'm 26 by the time i've learned there were completely different books but thats pointless since there's no documents to prove or back up what you're sying, what you're presenting here is baseless bias both yours and of that ridiculous pamphlet.


No, you attempted a nasty piece of revisionism based on German apologetic pseudo-history without any historical basis whatsoever, to discuss it takes more then your personal opinion which by itself is fairly worthless especially when fueled by bias and prejudice.


We're pathetic because you make up stuff as you go along?:)))

History / Poland before WWII or Poland now what would you choose? [390]

Oh you deny quite a lot, for example you posted a source that blatantly lies about the history of the city despite credible archeological evidence that says otherwsie, check the link :)))

Its not the only historical lie that your source puts across but i'm not going to pick apart such worthless revisionist pseudo-historical trash, post something credible.

History / Poland before WWII or Poland now what would you choose? [390]


Ah but it doesnt contradict anything i said! Danzing was populated by increasingly large German majority for the past 300 years! The issue is that it was populated by a Polish majority for another 700 years and was built by Poles!

That it was a free city or under Teutonic influence doesnt change the fact that for 2/3rds of its history it was populated and developed by Poles.

However this entire link is absolutely worthless and useless, it claims that we do not know when did the first settlement came to be when we have clear historical and archeological account of Mieszko I of Poland building a stronghold there, please post non-biased links that do not attempt to put across falsified history that fits your emotional views rather than historical facts :)

If your source ignores such an important fact as Poles building the first organized settlement there then its clearly a worthless and biased one.

The origins of Gdansk

The first mention of Gdańsk comes from 999 years , and we find it in the " Lives of the Saints . Wojciech " which speak of the Christian mission of the bishop, sent to Eastern Pomerania will of Boleslaw the Brave . It ended with the death of Adalbert , however , the future saint. Name of Gdansk saved in this document is " Gyddanyzc ", showing Slavic origin . Hundreds of years later appeared as the German name Danzig - " Danzig" .

As is clear from the archaeological research in the second half of X in Gdańsk from a small fishing village began to grow in importance, the town and harbor. Founding of the city in the years 960-980 . Although fishing and agriculture was then widely developed , as evidenced by excavations , the main wealth of castles Pomerania , including Gdańsk was trade and shipping . Transported away furs, honey and wax , but by far the biggest interest was , of course, amber , after which traders came from the most distant countries.

We know when the Polish city of Gdańsk was built, we know even the height of the earth walls surrounding it and yet your incredibly biased source ingores one of the most basic and historically sound facts of Poles building the city, please stop the bias :)))

News / Does Poland count in Europe or is it ignored? [427]


Why do you treat the two as contradictory? Western Europe does not want Poland as an equal for multiple reasons, cheap labor, weak economy that would allow political dominance.

We're supposed to be a cow that Western Europe would milk for labor force and economic opportunities but our political presence is already significantly above our economic capacity.

We have a far more disciplined workforce than any of the Western states thats held back by stagnant politics and beaurocracy, both holdouts are by their nature temporary.

History / Poland before WWII or Poland now what would you choose? [390]

As you probably noticed i'm ignoring (and will continue to do so) most of your posts on account of you being a prejudiced anti-Polish prick and rarely have anything of value to say but this post is interesting so i'll reply, dont get your hopes up wont reply to your further posts though :)))

Wrocław was originally built by Bohemians(Czechs) then it became Polish, then Bohemian, then Austrian, then Prussian, then German, then Polish again, i dont really think anyone could historically claim the city as theirs as no group was dominant for longer than 2 or 3 centuries, so what remains is the population claim and the city as you know is nearly 100% Polish inhabited so presently its a very Polish city :)))

History / Poland before WWII or Poland now what would you choose? [390]


To give you an exact answer, Gdańsk started as a small keep built by the first recorded(there were many before him) Polish ruler Mieszko I, Germans first move there approximately a century later and while Gdańsk politically changes hands it remains a majorily Polish city throught the millenium untill late 16 century, Germans become a clear majority in early/mid 17 century and the city changes its character from Polish to German untill its returned to Poland post 45.

So yes Gdańsk is historically Polish, Poles built it, Poles originally inhabited it and Poles constituted the ruling political body and the majority of the inhabitants for most of a thousand years.

Before WW2 it was clearly a German city but the claim that Gdańsk is historically German is ridiculous and baseless, its a Polish built historically Polish city the only claim Germans had to it was population based and even that for historically relatively brief and late period.

History / Poland before WWII or Poland now what would you choose? [390]


Oh come on Nathan, its proven scientifically that Ukrainian people aint human and have no souls, how can you claim you have right to anything?

History / Poland before WWII or Poland now what would you choose? [390]

You're just bitter because your grandfather plowed the fields of my grandfather Nathan, dont worry we'll take over soon enough:)

History / Poland before WWII or Poland now what would you choose? [390]


Bloody hypocrite, the war started because your dysfunctional people who lived in their primitive militaristic society couldnt take defeat, Poland or no Poland you savages needed a victory to move on, you'd invade Russia and France with or without Poland but hey you enjoy rewriting history dont you?

YOUR PEOPLE are responsible for EVERYTHING you lost, NOT POLAND, NOT VERSAILLES, if you did not start your petty wars and elect nutters like hitler or bismarck but no, Germany cant work without a major war and then you come here and whine about how poor Nazi descendants suffer because we did not reward them for gassing milions.

Good job calling us hypocrites.

History / Poland before WWII or Poland now what would you choose? [390]


I dont really care for your compassion, if you start a war for pure ambition you need to be punished accordingly, taking the lands you have in turn taken from their rightfull owners generations before was the right thing to do.

Post WW2 the right thing to do would be to sterilize your grandparents and all Germans so that your nation never got another chance and it was seriously considered along with making you a sheep shagging nation, you got away light with what you've done so dont whine.

History / Poland before WWII or Poland now what would you choose? [390]


It was perfectly fair, we just needed to expel Germans then not after WW2.

History / Russia: Poland responsible for WW II [300]

Zimmy not wity, Poland blaimed!

History / Western Europe and America vs Russia WWII - chances of Poland being saved [494]


There's neighbourhoods tens of thousands large where people can live whole of their life and not speak a word of English, in places its 100%.


There's 179k confirmed Poles, aproximately four times as much americanized Poles, the total of citizens of Polish descent is estimated as 700k, thats about 25% of the total pop.

History / Poland before WWII or Poland now what would you choose? [390]


I've been to Lwów Nathan its a nice city but it was beatifull, along with Warsaw it was seen as most beatifull cities in the East, instead of rebuilding old Polish architecture you replaced it with fugly monstrosities.


Actually no, Poles kept developing Lwów and Kraków on their own, Austria didnt meddle much and why should it if its subjects develop cities out of their own pocket, after WW2 Soviets and Ukrainians went busily into destroying what remained of old Polish presence, sadly for Lwów that accounted for much of the local architecture.

History / Poland before WWII or Poland now what would you choose? [390]

Not really no, Polish Lwów was Paris like, after WW2 and Ukrainian takeover its a dump, hardly any of the old Polish architecture is left and it was replaced by socialist blocks.

Over centuries we made it into one of the most beatifull cities in Europe, you managed to wreck it in about 60 years, ofc you had WW2 to help.

Pre-war Polish Lwów:
mmszczecin.pl/rep/blog/4702/62421.4.jpg

Post-war Ukrainian Lwów:

venividi.ru/files/img/6794/0.jpg

History / Poland before WWII or Poland now what would you choose? [390]


No i would not, Lwów was a beatifull city but we're much much better off not bordering with Russia (yes there's Kaliningrad but thats just the enclave) also we traded 2 major cities for the price of one.

We're smaller and minus some places considered heartland of Poland but we're in a much safer position now.

History / Russia: Poland responsible for WW II [300]


You missed the point, i'd get angry at Germany cause its a civilized country that knows better, Russia is still hunting sabertooth tigers with spears so there's no point in getting mad, world talks with Russia becuase its big and sits on an arsepile of resources but no one really takes it seriously on cultural or historical fields.

History / Western Europe and America vs Russia WWII - chances of Poland being saved [494]


Lovely, now please give us Central Chicago, 99% people there speak Polish, its ours right?

History / Russia: Poland responsible for WW II [300]

I'd get pissed if a civilized country like Germany issued something like this, from Russia it just the usual bullshyte, we should just ignore them its not like anyone takes russian history version seriously given how redneck their political elites are.

History / Western Europe and America vs Russia WWII - chances of Poland being saved [494]


You're as mindless as JohnP, it doesnt matter whether you trade with EU or specific states except that you can excersize monopoly or protectionist tactics much easier against smaller economies.


Apparently its not if i had to point it out.


In fact Iraq has MORE oil since it got invaded! :)))


And you do? Its called food for oil programme? You steal oil giving food to cover shortages you created on purpose by destroying the country?

History / Western Europe and America vs Russia WWII - chances of Poland being saved [494]


EU as a whole is able to leverage uncomfortable trade conditions, with Europe fractured US can dictate much better deals as a dominant global economy.


No of course not but US is much more powerfull, against fractured economy its all powerfull.


Like war in Iraq? War in Afganistan? Sorry buddy but you're writing from your arse.


And yet they invade countries for natural resources or to undermine potential Chinese allies? Please ...


You didnt spell out anything, you're writing what amounts to your personal opinions based on bloody ignorance and underlined with a hint of arrogant twat.


Other Americans here include some pretty awesomely stupid posters, if Shopgirl is a yank then she amounts to the only actually smart American on these boards, mind you its a norm and yes i've been to US and i have an American passport though i am and consider myself Polish first :)

History / Western Europe and America vs Russia WWII - chances of Poland being saved [494]


Even without EU you're pro-Russian so you're still an American opponent.

History / Western Europe and America vs Russia WWII - chances of Poland being saved [494]


No you wont, you need to dominate, EU is a peacefull vent for these ambitions and the smarter of your politicians know it, even the statement about Germans being able to resettle in our country is an extention of that policy which is exactly why you're US prime opponents, of course it has nothing to do with sympathy or lack of thereof.