Ironside
15 May 2009
News / Kaliningrad. Problem, Threat or Opportunity for Poland? [185]
good1 lol
You are like a black hole of insanity - you suck in all common sense and logic and exterminate it.
good1 lol
Ironside
15 May 2009
History / World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World [489]
What lie? I blame Polish government.
Well, look who is speaking, Harry who is using every trick in the book and lies to prove that Poland is not up to standards - his standards!
The very simple fact is that you are using the same lie as was used on Nazi propaganda posters. And was then used by the Communist regime after the war.
What lie? I blame Polish government.
If anybody is behaving like a Nazi and a Communist, it is you.
Well, look who is speaking, Harry who is using every trick in the book and lies to prove that Poland is not up to standards - his standards!
Ironside
14 May 2009
History / World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World [489]
Yes, typical for Communist propaganda whoever disagree with you he is a Nazi.
Harry leftist with agenda.
Polish government should know that.
Here is the particular Nazi poster you are still singing from:
Yes, typical for Communist propaganda whoever disagree with you he is a Nazi.
Harry leftist with agenda.
There did not exist any plan to aid Poland, France and UK had not agreed on any concerted operation, that in itself proves that neither France nor UK had any intention whatsoever to fight a full scale war on Polish account
Polish government should know that.
Ironside
14 May 2009
History / World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World [489]
14 days then!
I see you are learned in the ways of propaganda and lies.
Something from your teachers:
youtube.com/watch?v=nAh5mfkuAXk
Would you care to quote the document in which Britain promised to attack Germany within the first week?
14 days then!
Either that or admit that you are telling yet another of the tired old lies which make up part of the big lie which was first told by the Nazis and was then told by the Soviets and is now told by Poles: Britain was responsible for what happened to Poland in 1939.
I see you are learned in the ways of propaganda and lies.
Something from your teachers:
youtube.com/watch?v=nAh5mfkuAXk
Ironside
14 May 2009
History / World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World [489]
[quote=isthatu2][/quote]
OK! precision with drums !
Now mine about someone love - soldier who was killed.
And Bard I like - sorry no English subtitles !
youtube.com/watch?v=W23lDELxuys
Good nite!
[quote=isthatu2][/quote]
OK! precision with drums !
Now mine about someone love - soldier who was killed.
And Bard I like - sorry no English subtitles !
youtube.com/watch?v=W23lDELxuys
Good nite!
Ironside
14 May 2009
History / World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World [489]
It's only song!
What count - intension's !
Something for You.
*smile friendly *
I think you just did! ;)
It's only song!
What count - intension's !
Something for You.
*smile friendly *
Ironside
14 May 2009
History / World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World [489]
Sorry BB!
What about that?:
Dieses Video ist in deinem Land nicht verfügbar.
Sorry BB!
What about that?:
Ironside
14 May 2009
History / World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World [489]
All right!
Don't worry BB something to cheer you up:
All right!
He was already in his "conquering dictator" mood...most just didn't know yet and still believed in him fully!
Don't worry BB something to cheer you up:
Ironside
14 May 2009
History / World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World [489]
WWII - if not Poland it would be France, Belgium or Greece or maybe Soviets were war would have been started!
Before Austria then Czechoslovakia all were nice to Mr Hitler - look what they get in return .
Maybe Britain should give to Germany some of their colonies ? for a good measure - why not?
youtube.com/watch?v=Yv4LaLDG5xE
Battenbergs and all that ....
Lets face it,when will Poland take responsibility for playing a huge part in causing ww2 to start with its usuall pompous attitude when it came to Danzig? Why not just give the Germans the road and rail route access between west and east prussia?
WWII - if not Poland it would be France, Belgium or Greece or maybe Soviets were war would have been started!
Before Austria then Czechoslovakia all were nice to Mr Hitler - look what they get in return .
Maybe Britain should give to Germany some of their colonies ? for a good measure - why not?
youtube.com/watch?v=Yv4LaLDG5xE
Battenbergs and all that ....
Ironside
13 May 2009
History / World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World [489]
Polish PM before a war was Składkowski, with Mościcki as President!
Only other polish PM during the war with M - Mikołajczyk!?
Which one?
In fact. Churchill didn't like the then Polish PM. I forgot his name. It begins with M.
Polish PM before a war was Składkowski, with Mościcki as President!
Only other polish PM during the war with M - Mikołajczyk!?
Which one?
Ironside
13 May 2009
Ironside
13 May 2009
Ironside
13 May 2009
History / World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World [489]
Sure , it was a Polish Government fault, they should know that France and Britain will not attack Germany during first week as they promised on paper!
Believing in honor and keeping promises and might of two world superpowers,
Government should know better and should know that France and Britain as a superpowers were passé.
Rule - one promise one should deliver (in on paper - more) and concept of honor have no use in the politic.
There is only interests.
That's why I blame Polish Government!
What it has to do with anything ?
What about Aborigines in interbellum Australia ?
What about Arabs in interbellum French Morocco?
What about Irish and Indians in interbellum British Empire ?
IF you claim that Hitler invaded Poland because of Germans living in Poland then you lie!
Peas brother !
So, Britain should accepted, not scratching paper with empty guarantees.
No, it is not well said!
I can understand some Poles being pissed off by the all thing, as they still have to live with consequences of the WWII, very real for them even now.
I can understand British fed up with that subject, for them irrelevant and long forgotten past.
Never the less I don't understand claims made by some that Britain was doing Poland favor or fought to save Poland, or if not for Poland Britain somehow would not have been involved in the war.
That's nonsense and ******** !!!!
Britain was making it's own decisions based on their own interest and goal's !
It was not help, no charity and definitely British government hadn't has Poland's interest at heart!
That is not a blame( I hope everybody understood that).
As always with Poles talking about 1939, you give no facts about what Britain could have done but didn’t. Instead you repeat the tired old lie about ‘western betrayal’ and refuse to admit even a jot of fault.
Sure , it was a Polish Government fault, they should know that France and Britain will not attack Germany during first week as they promised on paper!
Believing in honor and keeping promises and might of two world superpowers,
Government should know better and should know that France and Britain as a superpowers were passé.
Rule - one promise one should deliver (in on paper - more) and concept of honor have no use in the politic.
There is only interests.
That's why I blame Polish Government!
Not a word about the way that Poland treated the Germans unfortunate enough to live in interbellum Poland?
What it has to do with anything ?
What about Aborigines in interbellum Australia ?
What about Arabs in interbellum French Morocco?
What about Irish and Indians in interbellum British Empire ?
IF you claim that Hitler invaded Poland because of Germans living in Poland then you lie!
There would have been none of those if Britain had simply accepted Hitler’s repeated offers of peace.
Peas brother !
So, Britain should accepted, not scratching paper with empty guarantees.
Well said Harry.
No, it is not well said!
I can understand some Poles being pissed off by the all thing, as they still have to live with consequences of the WWII, very real for them even now.
I can understand British fed up with that subject, for them irrelevant and long forgotten past.
Never the less I don't understand claims made by some that Britain was doing Poland favor or fought to save Poland, or if not for Poland Britain somehow would not have been involved in the war.
That's nonsense and ******** !!!!
Britain was making it's own decisions based on their own interest and goal's !
It was not help, no charity and definitely British government hadn't has Poland's interest at heart!
That is not a blame( I hope everybody understood that).
Ironside
13 May 2009
History / Poland and Ukraine [240]
I know what you asked and I refuse to answer your questions because next thing, you will say something senseless as above, I refuse to prove I'm not a camel to the blind guy who haven't seen one!
Well,thats your problem, today everyone can have an opinion !
You and your weed, a barmy old monkey, I speak in my name and I'm discussing any subject I chose if you don't like it - eat banana!
I cannot comply to someone who has no idea what free speech[b][/b] means)))
hahahahahhahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahahaha!
You and who else? wee apes?))))))))))))))
If - make a big difference!
I couldn't care less!
Well, you are entitled to your opinion.
I think that you are living example that mass education is not good idea as you have been given tool too complicated for your fable mind to use it properly.
Some goes for your views on discussed subject.
Is it a tongue you are using at home - polruss? Missing old good times?
I don't demand pawian to leave, I challenged him to a duel but he shrank from it.
He is an idiot and not the issue to be discussed.
We are talking and exchanging views on the Internet there no states no diplomacy, only individuals expressing theirs opinion.
Poland is not going to declaring war on the Ukraine because of my views.
We are not talking about real politics and practical aims to achieve some goal.
I'm speaking my mind if you find argument's to change it and you are willing to try, go ahead!If not I will keep my view on the subject!
I was pointing to you that in the 1919 there wasn't single Ukrainian nation but at last two claimant to this title. One wanted capital in Kiev and second wanted capital in Vienna.
As for defending terrytory if boths sides were doing just that - who was right?
both?
Hmm, I can see your history-oriented friends helped you a lot but still they couldn`t cope with Krzywousty riddle. :):):) I didn`t ask about the king, I asked about the guy who gave up a piece of jewellery.
I know what you asked and I refuse to answer your questions because next thing, you will say something senseless as above, I refuse to prove I'm not a camel to the blind guy who haven't seen one!
I don`t care what opinion you have.
Well,thats your problem, today everyone can have an opinion !
But I care when you usurp yourself the right to speak in the name of the Polish nation and demand anything from Ukraine,
You and your weed, a barmy old monkey, I speak in my name and I'm discussing any subject I chose if you don't like it - eat banana!
I cannot comply to someone who has no idea what free speech[b][/b] means)))
if you even aren`t Polish yourself
hahahahahhahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahahaha!
You and who else? wee apes?))))))))))))))
If - make a big difference!
That`s what ails me and that is why I think you are aswhole.
I couldn't care less!
Add to it your idiotic views on Poland and Ukraine and the relations between them, as well as your blindness what Poland`s political interests are.
Well, you are entitled to your opinion.
I think that you are living example that mass education is not good idea as you have been given tool too complicated for your fable mind to use it properly.
Some goes for your views on discussed subject.
Poniał, towariszcz? :):):)
Is it a tongue you are using at home - polruss? Missing old good times?
And you even dare to demand Pawian to leave the site because his opinion is normal relations of both nations and not fighting without end for nothing, when only third side profits and both of us are bleeding to death. Ironside, come to senses. People want to live, to travel, do business. How many more wars do you need?
I don't demand pawian to leave, I challenged him to a duel but he shrank from it.
He is an idiot and not the issue to be discussed.
We are talking and exchanging views on the Internet there no states no diplomacy, only individuals expressing theirs opinion.
Poland is not going to declaring war on the Ukraine because of my views.
We are not talking about real politics and practical aims to achieve some goal.
I'm speaking my mind if you find argument's to change it and you are willing to try, go ahead!If not I will keep my view on the subject!
And the other side as well. So what do you want to say here? Let they rest in peace whoever died in the that senseless war, Polish and Ukrainians.
I was pointing to you that in the 1919 there wasn't single Ukrainian nation but at last two claimant to this title. One wanted capital in Kiev and second wanted capital in Vienna.
As for defending terrytory if boths sides were doing just that - who was right?
both?
Ironside
13 May 2009
History / Poland and Ukraine [240]
Well, maybe because you are an idiot!
Who is so narrow minded that cannot comprehend that someone can have different opinion on the subject!
So, make up your mind mind - can I or not?
If I can and you saying that it prove nothing - you are wrong it proves that your contribution to this thread is of no value!
Riddles that prove nothing, random statements of no value at all, insults, and pathetic accusations?
Can you understand that I have different opinion that you, so should I call you ukainian agent ? Poor ole demented sod, ah and too much weed!
£okietek
Krzywousty
Zygmunt Stary
Mówi ci to coś przygłupie?
And coward as well!?
Really?? I haven`t noticed it. :):):):)
Well, maybe because you are an idiot!
Who is so narrow minded that cannot comprehend that someone can have different opinion on the subject!
Of course you can`t. Or can but only after heavy googling and consultation with your Russian friends who are better oriented in Polish history. :):):):)
So, make up your mind mind - can I or not?
If I can and you saying that it prove nothing - you are wrong it proves that your contribution to this thread is of no value!
Riddles that prove nothing, random statements of no value at all, insults, and pathetic accusations?
Can you understand that I have different opinion that you, so should I call you ukainian agent ? Poor ole demented sod, ah and too much weed!
£okietek
Krzywousty
Zygmunt Stary
Mówi ci to coś przygłupie?
That is why I have to turn down your pathetic offer below:
And coward as well!?
Ironside
13 May 2009
History / Poland and Ukraine [240]
Stop pawian you are humiliating yourself.
And I can answer all your stupid riddles but it prove nothing!
What animosities? We are having discussion on PF not making political decisions!
You seems do not mind Nathan's attitude yet you slandering me for standing up to defense of Poland interest.
Find yourself another thread as you are out of your liege here.
I will answer your riddles under one condition you admit being moron and stop making post's on this thread as there are of no value and prove only you serfs mentality.
Are you to the challenge pawian?
Oh I'm abusing you ,sure but not Nathan
You wonder why ?
Read your posts !
Not at all ! He is receiving money from stronghold of Ukrainian nationalist's and scions of the SSGalicien and UPA members in the Canada.
Nathan is living in that country - what a coincidence?!!
So , your claim as to many years of occupation by Poland is empty one and baseless!
Even if one assume that Rusyn = Ukrainian!
As for question mark I'm not you !
Nathan, easy. The guy isn`t Polish, he is only trying to start animosities between Poles and Ukrainians. He is trying but doesn`t know that we won`t allow him to provoke us. :):):):)
Stop pawian you are humiliating yourself.
And I can answer all your stupid riddles but it prove nothing!
What animosities? We are having discussion on PF not making political decisions!
You seems do not mind Nathan's attitude yet you slandering me for standing up to defense of Poland interest.
Find yourself another thread as you are out of your liege here.
I will answer your riddles under one condition you admit being moron and stop making post's on this thread as there are of no value and prove only you serfs mentality.
Are you to the challenge pawian?
Who is abusing who here? You got your addresses wrong.... :):):):)
Oh I'm abusing you ,sure but not Nathan
You wonder why ?
Read your posts !
Have to admit I saw this on RT a few days ago and did find it rather surprising.Its one thing to say allow old boys to draw a state pension but quite another to award a countries highest honors to former officers in nazi uniform.....quite badly missjudged,especially considering the Galizien Div hardly ever fought the RKKA and spent most of the war hunting partizans and ended up being sheltered in the UK after the war....weird,but then again,radioactive poisoning by the FSB probably has odd side effects on ones personality.
Not at all ! He is receiving money from stronghold of Ukrainian nationalist's and scions of the SSGalicien and UPA members in the Canada.
Nathan is living in that country - what a coincidence?!!
I know, but there is no more Polish king either, so? Also why didn't you put Ukraine and question mark? Hard?
So , your claim as to many years of occupation by Poland is empty one and baseless!
Even if one assume that Rusyn = Ukrainian!
As for question mark I'm not you !
Ironside
13 May 2009
History / Poland and Ukraine [240]
I did say to you!
Do you know?
We haven't been discussing times from 1918 to 1939 yet!
I'm talking about Defense of the Lwów after I WW ended.
youtube.com/watch?v=Fo-EjNzZs2k
Those people defended their territory.
I'm saying that from 1349 to 1648 there wasn't Rusynian state or nothing you could claim as such let alone Ukraine - thats all!
You notice that Moscow had a question mark - as I had not said what you implying.
plsssssssssssssssss?! weed again?
Well , I didn't say about sheep-shagging by ancestors of one of the greatest Ukrainian poets. Of course, no more personal insults. Agreed.
I did say to you!
I doubt it.
Do you know?
Ironside, would you please explain this? What did these local Ukrainians do to Poland if they wanted to build a separate state with even capital in Vienna as you claim. You see that these people where willing to live in Habsburg empire than even have dealing with Poles of the past who closed churches, burnt libraries, made lives miserable by paramilitary bands of strzelcy, supported by police. You have to agree that your country was behaving outrageously against all norms of democracy and national tolerance. And if these people wanted what they wanted on their territory what is the problem?
We haven't been discussing times from 1918 to 1939 yet!
I'm talking about Defense of the Lwów after I WW ended.
youtube.com/watch?v=Fo-EjNzZs2k
Those people defended their territory.
Moscow was built in 13th century thousands miles away. Does it have connection to Lviv and king Danylo? Give me a break. Here is your chauvinistic side where you do everything possible even give Russians some credit just to support your baseless ideas.
I'm saying that from 1349 to 1648 there wasn't Rusynian state or nothing you could claim as such let alone Ukraine - thats all!
You notice that Moscow had a question mark - as I had not said what you implying.
E.g., he seems to suggest to give up Gdańsk. No normal Pole would trade Gdańsk for Lvov. :):):):)
plsssssssssssssssss?! weed again?
Ironside
12 May 2009
News / Searching for keys in Polish-Russian relations [75]
[quote=Sasha][/quote]
For Russian friend :
youtube.com/watch?v=vz1Hx5Ne6aU
[quote=Sasha][/quote]
For Russian friend :
youtube.com/watch?v=vz1Hx5Ne6aU
Ironside
12 May 2009
History / World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World [489]
Do you undenstand Polish ?
For You:
Do you undenstand Polish ?
For You:
Ironside
12 May 2009
History / Poland and Ukraine [240]
What do you mean?
Gdansk was build by King Boleslaw, yet I agree with the fact that in 1918 it was German town regardless partition. Yet, for you a fact that some block build shanty town 800 years ago is more significant that it later history.
Inheritance is a fact and in Lwów could be some squatters - who cares it a detail and you make much of it!
Never say never !
Sure he is open minded because he is supporting your claims - bravo ! give him a candy!
Nathan, you keep abusing me all the time, calling names and so on, and yet you talking about my hate?!
You present hard line of the most chauvinistic view 1930s like, and yet you call me chauvinistic ?!!
Listen Nathan, I will level with you, at the beginning I was being a wee bit provocative in presenting my views. I was giving you rope because I suspected where you came from, but reality over come my expectations.
I could not have bothered you are the most chauvinistic and nationalistic person I have ever held conversation with!!!
Let put a few thinks right !
I don't hate Ukrainians, and I'm not chauvinistic if anything I find Ukrainian music and language attractive.
One from my family died faithing for Kiev to help build Ukrainian state, another as a kid was defending Lwów from local Ukrainians who with the help of the court in Vienna were trying to build separate state with Hapsburg as a monarch and with capitol in Vienna not Kiev.
So, don't talk to me about one Ukrainian nation!
Between 1349 and 1648 there is nothing which could be claim by Rusyns ( Moscow?) as their state not even shadow !Let's alone Ukraine.
I will state my view about history and present on Poland and Ukraine later as I have a live and have to finish now!
I'll do it without provocation and as concise and to the point as I can!
Please Nathan, no more ranting and personal insults, will you try?
For all you know I could have better claims to be successor of the Rusyns then you!
Hm, interesting? So what are your claims? that it was occupied and should be Polish because of the occupation?
What do you mean?
Gdansk was build by King Boleslaw, yet I agree with the fact that in 1918 it was German town regardless partition. Yet, for you a fact that some block build shanty town 800 years ago is more significant that it later history.
Inheritance is a fact and in Lwów could be some squatters - who cares it a detail and you make much of it!
The only thing I can tell you, Ironside is to accept the reality and facts. Lviv is Ukrainian city and will always be. Ukraine will never pretend on your territories
Never say never !
You are saying that Pawian is a serf. He is a free person with open mind. I see you as imprisoned man in hatred and old chauvinistic ways seeking blood and pain for both nations.
Sure he is open minded because he is supporting your claims - bravo ! give him a candy!
Nathan, you keep abusing me all the time, calling names and so on, and yet you talking about my hate?!
You present hard line of the most chauvinistic view 1930s like, and yet you call me chauvinistic ?!!
Listen Nathan, I will level with you, at the beginning I was being a wee bit provocative in presenting my views. I was giving you rope because I suspected where you came from, but reality over come my expectations.
I could not have bothered you are the most chauvinistic and nationalistic person I have ever held conversation with!!!
Let put a few thinks right !
I don't hate Ukrainians, and I'm not chauvinistic if anything I find Ukrainian music and language attractive.
One from my family died faithing for Kiev to help build Ukrainian state, another as a kid was defending Lwów from local Ukrainians who with the help of the court in Vienna were trying to build separate state with Hapsburg as a monarch and with capitol in Vienna not Kiev.
So, don't talk to me about one Ukrainian nation!
Where was the Ruthenian state, kingdom, county anything ?
Between 1349 and 1648 there is nothing which could be claim by Rusyns ( Moscow?) as their state not even shadow !Let's alone Ukraine.
I will state my view about history and present on Poland and Ukraine later as I have a live and have to finish now!
I'll do it without provocation and as concise and to the point as I can!
Please Nathan, no more ranting and personal insults, will you try?
For all you know I could have better claims to be successor of the Rusyns then you!
Ironside
12 May 2009
History / World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World [489]
are you serious ?
Then you have something in common with BB- helmet!
are you serious ?
Then you have something in common with BB- helmet!
Ironside
12 May 2009
Love / If a guy was nice? [42]
Yes, but I meant it as joke ... a tan >>>>
not good eh?!
I think you mean swarthy...
Yes, but I meant it as joke ... a tan >>>>
not good eh?!
Ironside
12 May 2009
Love / If a guy was nice? [42]
Yeah some girls are suckers for a tan >>
Wow….that is a surprise because judging the way Polish women are behaving in the UK, you could be forgiven for thinking the opposite!
Yeah some girls are suckers for a tan >>
Ironside
12 May 2009
Study / Questions about Warsaw Institute of Technology & some about life in Poland too. [19]
cheaper !
Im curious, why did you chose Poland for your studies?
cheaper !
Ironside
12 May 2009
History / Poland and Ukraine [240]
What are you driving at, no more pills for you today!
That my point those "elites" look only for their interest they don't give dam about polish, ukrainian or whomever except their own scum.
Is it? If Nathans views are some indication of nationalistic Ukrainians views as soon as they get their act together they will demand border on the San River because some forefather of Shevchenko used to shag sheep there. (not you Big Golden Sheep lol).
I give you tit for tat .
Yeah and you remember them all!?
Open your mind pawian, contact with me can be only beneficial for the lesser mind.
Ups ! truly? I bet Germans didn't forget about it!!!
You don't know?You should educated yourself before you start forming opinions based on your ignorance.
You must be polish part of the family Nathan was talking about the same empty answers - without value ! No more med for you pawian !))0
Oh yes **** happens, so if I will find out that
Polish you may be but I can say there two kind of Poles those with mentality and roots (I suppose)in servitude - serfs and free.
For some time I was attributing those differences to communist rule when they were tailoring education and mind of young pupils at the some time to suite Moscow plans and needs but lately I change my mind.
Anyone with only reading skills can find the way to think and act as a free man and proud patriot but prevent it can only lobotomy or genetics.
Descendent's of serfs are my half baked theory to explain phenomena of noninflected servitude - I bet many people will be happy!
Look pawian what it proves - it proves you utter ignorance and lack of understading the isuue, your stereotypes should be only yours but you are proud of them and your ignorance.
Well, argument to the point and concise (Nathan and pawian read and learn):
Those railways prove nothing as first engine was built in England in 1836 more or less and most of the track were build from 1846 to 1914 when Poland did not exist as a independent state. Therefore couldn't build any infrastructure in the modern meaning of the word.
Sure you know that or you think that if latter let me tell you, that you are not dam good at it, you poor sod!
Owners, you telling that only nobility owed the land?
strong weed man))))
The Austrio Hungarian Empire was a state and galicia was a part of the state and autonomy started in 1867, as for being part of the government - so what ?
Do you think that a fact that Obama is black will have a great impact on the situation of the American blacks? Not at all!
Well, dear Nathan I know all that except
part which is pure interpretation and not the true.
I was study this border question with care and consideration searching for the true, without prejudice to the heart of the issue - so believe me I know what I'm talking about!
Lwów was bulid by Rutheanian king Daniel, so what ?
His scions died out and the closed family member which happen to be king Kazimierz inherited his land, since then it is part of the Crown.
Where is the Ruthenian state, kingdom, county anything ?
Nope, null, zero or maybe Moscow the closest to Rusyn state as it goes but under the Tatar yoke ?
Face the true Nathan and stop make a fool of yourself, you are in the denial!
Yes, I am. And let me see if you are. :):):) What Polish words were once used in the past to check the national identity of disguised guys and differentiate them from real Poles? Say these words now...... :):):):):):):)
What are you driving at, no more pills for you today!
And here is where disagreement lies because I think the opposite. And fortunately Polish political elites share this opinion.
That my point those "elites" look only for their interest they don't give dam about polish, ukrainian or whomever except their own scum.
Poland should support the independent ones, that`s obvious.
Is it? If Nathans views are some indication of nationalistic Ukrainians views as soon as they get their act together they will demand border on the San River because some forefather of Shevchenko used to shag sheep there. (not you Big Golden Sheep lol).
Thank you for this informative remark. :):):):)
I give you tit for tat .
Not 20 years but 600 years from 14 to 20 century.
Yeah and you remember them all!?
It is because I am in contact with you. :):):):):):)
Open your mind pawian, contact with me can be only beneficial for the lesser mind.
BTW, the same Stalin gave Poland Western lands, in case you forgot.
Ups ! truly? I bet Germans didn't forget about it!!!
What Polish rights are you talking about?
You don't know?You should educated yourself before you start forming opinions based on your ignorance.
I guessed it from your posts. :):):):):):)
You must be polish part of the family Nathan was talking about the same empty answers - without value ! No more med for you pawian !))0
At the end of a long battle for the city, elements of victorious Polish soldiery went back into certain streets and massacred inhabitants. An estimated 340 innocent people were killed. About 2/3 of them were Ukrainians. The remaining 70 or so were Jews.
Oh yes **** happens, so if I will find out that
Even if I am an agent of a foreign power, I am Polish and I am talking about matters which are vital to Poland. What about you? :):):):)
Polish you may be but I can say there two kind of Poles those with mentality and roots (I suppose)in servitude - serfs and free.
For some time I was attributing those differences to communist rule when they were tailoring education and mind of young pupils at the some time to suite Moscow plans and needs but lately I change my mind.
Anyone with only reading skills can find the way to think and act as a free man and proud patriot but prevent it can only lobotomy or genetics.
Descendent's of serfs are my half baked theory to explain phenomena of noninflected servitude - I bet many people will be happy!
Look at my stereotypes in the railway map. :):):):)
Look pawian what it proves - it proves you utter ignorance and lack of understading the isuue, your stereotypes should be only yours but you are proud of them and your ignorance.
Well, argument to the point and concise (Nathan and pawian read and learn):
Those railways prove nothing as first engine was built in England in 1836 more or less and most of the track were build from 1846 to 1914 when Poland did not exist as a independent state. Therefore couldn't build any infrastructure in the modern meaning of the word.
It was even worse in Ukraine. Despite partitions, Poles controlled economy in Galicia all the time. .
Sure you know that or you think that if latter let me tell you, that you are not dam good at it, you poor sod!
No nobility?? So, who owned land in Galicia after 1918??
Owners, you telling that only nobility owed the land?
strong weed man))))
First of all, during Austrian partition Poles in Galicia region had advanced autonomy. They governed such branches as economy, culture and education. Also, Poles took part in the main Austrian government, twice a Prime Minister was Polish.
The Austrio Hungarian Empire was a state and galicia was a part of the state and autonomy started in 1867, as for being part of the government - so what ?
Do you think that a fact that Obama is black will have a great impact on the situation of the American blacks? Not at all!
Lviv was Ukrainian from the beginning when it was built by Ukrainian king Danylo Halickij for his son Lew (this is the reason the city was named like that) in 1256.
Well, dear Nathan I know all that except
occupied
part which is pure interpretation and not the true.
I was study this border question with care and consideration searching for the true, without prejudice to the heart of the issue - so believe me I know what I'm talking about!
Lwów was bulid by Rutheanian king Daniel, so what ?
His scions died out and the closed family member which happen to be king Kazimierz inherited his land, since then it is part of the Crown.
Where is the Ruthenian state, kingdom, county anything ?
Nope, null, zero or maybe Moscow the closest to Rusyn state as it goes but under the Tatar yoke ?
Face the true Nathan and stop make a fool of yourself, you are in the denial!
Ironside
11 May 2009
History / Heretics Asylum - The First Republic of Poland [50]
Well, it wasn't successful.
I was (trying to be) sarcastic
Well, it wasn't successful.
Ironside
11 May 2009
History / Poland and Ukraine [240]
Civilian is noncombatant in most basic meaning someone not carrying a weapon.
Why I'm not surprised that you don't know....
Civilian is noncombatant in most basic meaning someone not carrying a weapon.
Why I'm not surprised that you don't know....
Ironside
11 May 2009
News / Searching for keys in Polish-Russian relations [75]
What sources?
And why are you talking about innocent ukrainian women, kids? Maybe to balance your deeds!
I'm not saying that in those numbers that were killed did not happen that some were innocent or there was not women or some children among them but all of it is about true picture of the events.
The criminal organization (SS Galitzen) armed by the Germans in the 1943 stared ethnic cleansing mostly in the Wolyn area and murdered in the most barbaric way from 60 000 to 100 000 defenses people with the assistance of local Ukrainians.
Then Polish population started to build military organization to defend themselves it was called the Battalions of Self Defense which in the year or so were taken over by the AK.
If someone the all family were murdered in the horrible way, no wonder sometimes people sanity snapped and hence he/they may kill some innocent women and children.
Maybe it was the family of someone who was involved in the Ukrainian UPA because people at the area knew each other by the names, faces, sometimes they were attending schools together, so I bet they were not killing blindly.
All those random murders were not many and was done by the individuals and I condemn them, yet You cannot compare it to the organized massacres done by the Ukrainian nationalist.
Generally AK and Poles weren't murdering people, most likely civilians you talk about were perpetrators fund guilty by the Polish underground state jury!
That the way things are done in the civilized nation!
As long as you don't admitcriminal and unjustified acts of your heroes, there cannot be any real understanding between both nations.
Regardless border question and current politics.
Then 60,000 Polish is a blatant lie. AK killed according to different sources between 20,000 and 30,000 innocent Ukrainian women, kids and men. And you have parades with AK veterans. What do you think about it?
What sources?
And why are you talking about innocent ukrainian women, kids? Maybe to balance your deeds!
I'm not saying that in those numbers that were killed did not happen that some were innocent or there was not women or some children among them but all of it is about true picture of the events.
The criminal organization (SS Galitzen) armed by the Germans in the 1943 stared ethnic cleansing mostly in the Wolyn area and murdered in the most barbaric way from 60 000 to 100 000 defenses people with the assistance of local Ukrainians.
Then Polish population started to build military organization to defend themselves it was called the Battalions of Self Defense which in the year or so were taken over by the AK.
If someone the all family were murdered in the horrible way, no wonder sometimes people sanity snapped and hence he/they may kill some innocent women and children.
Maybe it was the family of someone who was involved in the Ukrainian UPA because people at the area knew each other by the names, faces, sometimes they were attending schools together, so I bet they were not killing blindly.
All those random murders were not many and was done by the individuals and I condemn them, yet You cannot compare it to the organized massacres done by the Ukrainian nationalist.
Generally AK and Poles weren't murdering people, most likely civilians you talk about were perpetrators fund guilty by the Polish underground state jury!
That the way things are done in the civilized nation!
As long as you don't admitcriminal and unjustified acts of your heroes, there cannot be any real understanding between both nations.
Regardless border question and current politics.
Ironside
11 May 2009
News / Searching for keys in Polish-Russian relations [75]
Any arguments or some more of your rants?
It's boring, Nathan!
hatred
Any arguments or some more of your rants?
It's boring, Nathan!
Ironside
11 May 2009
News / Searching for keys in Polish-Russian relations [75]
What wrong with you 400 years what are you talking about? It is what your family saying to justfiy their barbaric deeds?
Why don;t you face the true Nathan?
Thats only ukrainians from land which should belong to Poland, some idiots, they even don't share religion with the ukrainians from proper Ukraine!
UPA
What wrong with you 400 years what are you talking about? It is what your family saying to justfiy their barbaric deeds?
Why don;t you face the true Nathan?
Ukrainians with their glorification of SS Galizien ... aren't even ideologicaly ready for the "change". In my opinion Poland was to optymistic in contacts with Ukraine.
Thats only ukrainians from land which should belong to Poland, some idiots, they even don't share religion with the ukrainians from proper Ukraine!