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Should Germany claim to be the victims in Poland? [510]
should not just include expulsions of all the people of europe but also the events that led to these expulsions. if so then we agree
We do,100%.
things are not always what thye appear on paper,
agreed.
you insist on using this strange "soviet/polish government"
like it or not,by the time of the expulsions the "Lublin" govt was the de facto govt of Poland,they may not have been the "right sort" of Poles in the govt but they certainly wernt nigerians or Argentinians.I use the Soviets along side the Polish communists to show the fact that the Polish communists were,ahem "supported" by the soviets.
As for the expulsions of Germans, other than my feeling that they got what they deserved
I would hope you feel the same way about say palestinain women and children forced out of their homes by the IDF because one or two men from a community of hundreds may have commited crimes/murders.
IMO "they" didnt get what they deserved,by and large the Guilty had either been shot,or escaped back to germany wth the other ranking nazis and the armed forces.
IMO the situation would be incomparably worse than Northern Ireland in the last few decades. Just think about it: opressors and their victims asked to live as neighbors within months, sometime days of people having lost a family member as a result of the war. That would be like sitting ona barrel of TNT.
I wont argue there,but to say the germans didnt suffer the expulsions misses a point,they did,it is only speculation to say what may have happened,however probable,however,that people who may have had nothing to do,or as little as possible rather,to do with the nazi regime,its rise to power or its subsequent conduct,were penalised and suffered along with guilty parties such as those who had riden on the shirt tails of the whermacht into their little peice of living space is the point here,I think,the point would seem to be to show that nobody "wins" that even the innocent suffer . I am always reminded of an old boy I met at work once,his father was German but had lived in Poland all his life so in 1939 joined up with the Polish army and was killed defending his homeland,as he saw Poland,after the war the family were forced to leave and ended up in Britain as,although the Polish govt saw them as germans,moving to germany was seen by the family as moving to the land that had caused so much suffering for their country,Poland,as my work had taken me into this gentlemans home I was able to see his fathers picture,a fine looking chap in a wz31.
No maybe if we had gas chambers on displayed...
wouldnt really work,as a plain room isnt really all that impresive,and going into them at say auschwitz,is imo a bit creapy,and I dont mean in a ergh,there might be ghosties in here way,I mean,its a scene of so much suffering why would you want to stand there?
