UPA barbarian murders on Polish and Jewish neighbors during WW2

You are definitely overreacting here mate. BratwurstBoy weren't trying to be rude and act superior, but stated something obvious, that most Germans know very little about Ukraine and just because you met few Germans in Lviv it will not change that for a bit. In fact, most Poles know little about you guys, and the rest of our neighbors, and I’m not trying to be patronizing here as well.

Keep it cool Nat.

UPA this UPA that, yeah they were a bunch of murdering fuckers but its getting boring fast.

thing of the past in case you forgot. As for boring - well your rants of PF fall into that category;)

You're still getting annexed on account of not having proper history and culture :)

you said that already. Come up with something interesting for a change;). I don't like recycled news since I have a short attention span.

Matyjasz, "blind spot" for Brutswart was not only Ukraine , but all Baltic region. He even mentioned something of Eurovision. Hahaha. I see it is impossible for you to get out of this limited perception of the world. Germans wrote many books on Ukraine compared to Poles. I have met young students from Germany , as I have already mentioned, and I was surprised that they knew so much. I am cool, don't worry, I am just looking for someone to talk sense in this forum, but all I hear are "blind spots" , Eurovision (haha) and annexation. Don't you have anybody willing to talk intellegently. I am willing to learn new stuff and not waste my time on nonsense.

:)

He is, because he's overestimating the poor Lviv from where he fled to Canada not to die of famine. He's the best specimen of truly retarded benderovian mind when everyone around including Poles, Russians, Ukranians or (oh my gosh... Germans) who doesn't share their thuggish views (i.e. the vast majority of Ukranians) are enemies. They want to draw attention to themselves since they're lack of it. Meanwhile, they can't make up their mind to that their times went by continuing to act as peculiar people. That's funny... insignificant group of Ukies nazies try to act as if they represent the majority of nowadays moods in Ukraine. Wake from a stupor... most of Ukranians doesn't understand even the language you speak, outcasts. :)))

you are such as ass Sasha. There is nothing funny about famine and the millions on Ukrainins who died from it.



Most of them are dead by now BTW and I don't think that Nathan is representing those views, although I am sure he will explain. Just because you hate UPA it doesn't mean that every Ukrainian living in Canada has connection to Sefan Bandera -it is plain rubbish.


You are a condescending ass Sasha. Ukrainian diaspora in Canada poured a lot of money and resources into Ukraine and somehow language was not a problem.

Please stop talking about things you know little about.

I really was interested in learning more about Ukraine....till I met Natty that is! :(

and millions of palestinians claim jews are committing crimes against them on a similar if not worse level.i wasnt around during the 2nd ww but i along with everybody else around the world have seen what the jews are doing and honestly i have no sympathy for em at all.they(jews)play the same broken record over and over again and i think that they are worse than hitler ever was.

Name calling is the last argument. Reread what, I wrote there was not a word about the normal Ukranians and I would never call Benderian outcast Ukranian people. You simply didn't get my notion. I see you sympathize with Nat but he with his view is far from being the best of what Ukranian nation could originate.

We've got much in common with Ukranians and tragedies of their people for me same as a Russian tragedy.


Yes, it is a rubbish, I agree, but I didn't say that. *"Stepan"


I wonder how long are you going to misapprehend my words?


I'm afraid the only things one could extract from your message was that Sasha had been an ass (different types of it). :)

Calm down, only an uninformed person, an instigator or a plain idiot may think of that Russians on the whole any hostile towards Ukranians wherever they live.

Sasha so if you like Ukrianians you support their independece and their young democracy.

Prince,


call their political system "democratic".
It's obvious that they neither pursue an independent policy, nor gained, nor keep the power democratical way.
I do support any conscious and self-reliant decision of Ukranian people.

There's not really much to learn.

Cossack rebelions.
Poland gets partitioned and with it Ukraine.
Post WW1 Ukis get bitchslapped by Poles and Russians.
Post WW 2 Ukis get Lwów and some other polish lands and we get the western provinces so we wouldnt bitch too much.

Its not like their history is particulary long or interesting.

I didn't detect your sarcasm then? Hmmmmmm.......


You generalized.


I don't think I do and I don't know what he represents since I don't really know him. I may assume or speculate based on other Ukrainians I have met here, but they vary in their views, so I am not sure what you were trying to say. There are Ukies born here, some Ukrainin intellectuals who came after the war, some Bandera's associates,

there are Ukies who came from Poland - like me, and there is a huge population of Ukrainians who immigrated from the Soviet Ukraine. Those groups have different experiences, therefore, there is no need to generalize.


Please, be clear next time:)


I would not know since I don't know too many Russians. I would not want to generalize about the whole nation.

I apologize if I did.


Btw, how do you feel about going by "Ukies"? English is not my first or maybe even second language but from my perspective it sounds a bit unceremoneously,offensive.

thank you:)


I feel fine. This term has been used in Canada for a long time and I don't find it offensive, but I guess some people might.

Italians are called Ginos and it could be used in an offensive way. Generally Ukrainians are liked in Canada.

urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ukie

as per this link I don't think it has any derogatory connotations:)

Now I have to go to Cerkwa and pray to Ukrainian God so he can forgive me for using the Ukie term;)

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I didn't flee my city which I love a lot. "Not to die of famine", - you should be ashamed of what you said, sasha. I don't think you would be, because you will never understand it (pray not to live it through in your life)


What does it mean? Try to write more clearly.


I don't consider Poles, Germans or Ukrainians my enemies. What makes you think that. I respect Poles and their culture is pretty close to mine, Polish kitchen is one of the best in the world, I think. Germans made some bad stuff in their history, but it's history, we have to move on. My real enemies are people with "blind spots" and "annexation" and those who say that "Ukrainians don't understand what language you speak, outcasts". I won't try to persuade you on that. My Ukrainian is as pure as water from Carpathian mountains, I wish you could appreciate it.


I am at the present time and I still here barking from the enemy camp. I have to shoot in the air to let the dogs shut up.


Your tragedy is that chauvinism doesn't leave your blood-thirsty brains. Build Russia, make its people rich and happy , but don't even dare to look at my country with your wars and undermining policy. Putin-like suckers will be thrown down some day and russia will become a normal country which cares about economy and its people. It is the biggest and richest country and still you can't but dribble with salive watching at Ukraine.

I am nazi for defending my country? Sasha, don't be a kid and stop pretending. Come to Ukraine, have fun, enjoy everything it offers, but be a human and stop your chauvinistic behaviour. Grow up.


To learn means to accept, I can't see that acception from what I heard from you. And if one guy like me can change your interests - trust me, you was never interested in it.

Sokrates, you still didn't give me answers to so many questions. What about Abdank coat of arms. Looks like Chmel was a Lithuanian , huh?

May I ask you why?
If someone admits to not knowing about a country ("having a blind spot") why does that makes him your enemy?

You are an idiot Natty and if there wasn't Miranda which I like very much you would give Ukrainians a very bad image in my eyes..

Maybe BB, he misunderstands what you mean about "having a blind spot" and thinks you are saying that you are ignorant, and chose to stay that way. Although, if he would read carefully you distinctly said the thread was interesting to you BECAUSE you have this gap in your knowledge. And that could hardly be an "enemy."

That's why I call him an idiot!

Bratwurst, you know whta you said in "blind spot". I took it from several of your statement, not only this one. "Eurovision , hmmm...." You can pretend whatever you want, but I see it. Again if one person makes you make a generalization about a subject, then you are in a deep "blind spot".


Word "idiot" comes from Greek, meaning a person who is not interested in politics and , thus, not caring of his/her future. Do you think I am an idiot talking to you on this forum, Bratwurst?

You definitely talk like an idiot!
I wish you will never have worse enemies than people admitting not knowing but wanting to learn more...

People
Admitting
Not
Knowing
4 lies in 4 words

Well Nathan Ukraine has no common or opposing interests with Germany and its geopolitical location puts it on a sidewalk of european activities, its also not part of NATO or EU so western Europeans wont know a lot about it unless they're directly into european history.


Ethnically its not clear, whats important is that he was a commonwealth noble with a polish coat of arms, courting a polish Hetman and his father presiding over an office that no mere boyar could have held which makes him either Polish or Lithuanian, definitely not Ukrainian however :)

Of course i will stick with Polish rather than Lithuanian but thats mainly because its fun to annoy you.

Retardness doesn't annoy me, I am used to work with similar personalities, Sokrates. I simply wish you could come up with better arguments, because even those that you give me are on my side :)


I like "I will stick" in your statement. Beautiful. Stick!
Bisous, mon amour, Sokrates!

Nathan i could build a mountain of books and have an army of scholars sing out Ukraines history in one epic chorus and you would still live in your little world, nationalism is healthy when cultivated by educated intelligent people, an average Joe will instantly build his own version of history using it and stick by it no matter what so by all means believe what you will.

The fact is that Ukraine has a very dark card of history in UPA but you're as a country and as a nation completely unprepared to deal with your history your reaction being tangible proof.

Apropos retardedness...here the IQ league of Europe, Ukraine shows not even up! ;)

It is not nice to describe oneself so bluntly in a letter to somebody else, Sokrates :)


"to deal with history"? ahhaha
you sucked up to Bohdan and I found out that his ancestors were in Lithuania (from the link you presented). Then you say that you "will stick to that he's Polish". Ok, stick!

"To deal with history" we are unprepared? Yes, you are right :) my pants are spoiled now.