World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World

Ogorki: you're completely right, no Poles were invited to the 1945 London Victory Parade. Not because Britain wanted to insult any Poles, free or otherwise: BECAUSE THE LONDON PARADE WASN'T IN 1945! I'm so sick of hearing Polish lies about Britain.

And Ironside: there was no Ukrainian state, because Poland and her allies in the USSR strangled the Ukrainian state at birth and both set up concentration camps for Ukrainians who protested!

What Ukrainians? # there wasn't single Ukrainian before 1848.


Wow, Ironside, I see you begin to quote your hysterical.., pardon, historical sources - Socrates' barkings. Hmm. It is not far from Polish actual history you study at school, though. So, you are on the right track..;)

Poor retarded kids, it seems impossible for you to grow up. Oh, well...

That's enough to prove Copernicus was Polish.

Harry, you are wrong regarding Ukrainian state. It existed since the birth of Kievan Rus' and it went through many good as well as bad times. Ironside and Sokrates are just two poor kids playing with their brainless skulls into these retarded games of historical falsehood called Polish history.

Wishful thinking, that's all! :)

The guy probably didn't even spoke one word polish in his life...he for sure never wrote in it, only in german and latin.

What a Pole!

Question: What does it need to be a good Pole?
Answer: A famous German! :):):)

It was in 1946 but the premise is still correct. You remind me of a former golfing acquaintance of mine who vehemently denied losing to me by 4 strokes when I mentioned our game to several others. It was pointed out that he actually lost by 5 strokes but since I was technically incorrect when I stated that I beat him by 4 he seized the moment and attempted to present his argument in such a manner as to suggest he didn't lose at all.


From "A Question of Honor" by Lynne Olson and Stanley Cloud:

Prologue: They marched, twelve abreast and in perfect step, through the heart of bomb-pocked London. American troops, who were in a place of honor at the head of the nine-mile parade, were followed---in a kaleidoscope of uniforms, flags, and martial music by Czechs and Norwegians, Chinese and Dutch, French and Iranians, Belgians and Australians, Canadians and South Africans. There were Sikhs in turbans, high-stepping Greek evzoni in pom-pommed shoes and white pleated skirts, Arabs in fezzes and kaffiyehs, grenadiers from Luxembourg, gunners from Brazil. And at the end of the parade, in a crowd-pleasing, Union Jack-waving climax, came at least 10,000 men and women from the armed forces and civilian services of His Britannic Majesty,King George VI.

.....on this grey and damp June day in 1946, Britain and its invited guests, representing more than thirty victorious Allied nations, joined in formal commemoration of their collective victory and of those, living and dead, who had contributed to it. ...church bells pealed and bagpipes skirled....cheered and applauded by more than 2 million onlookers, many waving flags and tooting toy trumpets. The marchers snapped off salutes as they passed the reviewing platform on the Mall........

None (Poles) marched in the parade. For they were all Polish - and Poles who had fought under British command were deliberately and specifically barred from the celebration by the British government, for fear of offending Joseph Stalin.

A week earlier, ten members of Parliament had written a letter of protest against the exclusion. "Ethiopians will be there," the letter declared. "Mexicans will be there. The Fiji Medical Corps, the Labuan Police and the Seychelles Pioneer Corps will march and rightly, too. But the Poles will not be there. Have we lost not only our sense of perspective, but our sense of gratitude as well"?

A great research Zimmy. It's amazing how generations of western kids were never thought the real story of World War II. Thank God for the stories of my parents and grandparents who lived it.

Oh, don't bother. He will tell you that "technically" Poles were invited and refused to participate so that absolves Brits from guilt. We discussed that topic to death already.

Coprnicus' family originally came from Silesia in Poland. This area was inhabited by a Polish farming population for many centuries. Copernicus is a Latinized version of the name which is Kopernik in Polish. Sometimes it was spelled Copernik, Koppernic and even other variations.

The astronomer's great grandfather received the rights of (Polish) Cracow citizenship in 1396.

The Order of the Knights of the Cross, a German military, religious order was brought to Poland in 1226 for defense against pagan Prussians. As the Order grew in strength, it turned against Poland.

The people in the area formed the League of Prussian Cities which rebelled against the Teutonic Knights. The League turned to the king of Poland with a request for assistance and protection. Keep in mind that Prussia at that time was a province of the Kingdom of Poland. At that time the concept of nationality as we know it now had not yet developed. ..but among Poles there always existed a deeply felt attachment to place of birth and surrounding area. Copernicus was born in Torun and spent much of his early life in Warmia where people lived in constant fear of attack from the Teutonic Knights.

Throughout his life Copernicus defended Warmia's independence from the Teutonic Order who were harassing Polish provinces, especially Warmia. In 1520, with the support of German troops they attempted again to conquer Warmia and its capital Olsztyn where Copernicus was temporarily stationed. He became governor of the beleagured city in 1521 and fortified it. The Teutonic Knights plundered and looted the surrounding countryside but the Polish forces under the generalship of Copernicus in Olsztyn were successful in holding off the Germanic marauders who attempted to seize the castle there.

Copernicus presented himself at the Provincial Diet in Grudziadz in 1522 and presented an extensive list containing the claims of Warmia for war damages against the German knights.

Descendents of those barbaric German knights now want to claim Kopernik as one of their own. Teutonic Knights who got their butts kicked by Copernicus and his Polish soldiers must be turning in their graves.

Bzibzdioh is right. Don't bother. You can't reverse the damage done to generations of youngsters by one post. They need to be willing to accept the truth about the history straight from the people who lived it and there are only few of them left.

So why does Harry keep believing they were invited? Harry you gots some explainin to do >:O

The more reason to remind people, indeed to shout it from the hilltops and in more modern fashion to advertise it.

Yes indeed he was, BB. He was "Pole" enough to defend Warmia against the Teutonic Order.
He probably spoke German and Latin because that's what his parents made sure he learned but look at who he fought for and against.

Now, what, exactly did he do for Germany, BB?

You have to admit barring the ones who fought under British command was in very poor taste. All because of Stalin. What's the worst Stalin could have done just because some soldiers marched in a parade?

He had a Polish father, studied in Kraków and his workes were influenced by his Polish professor, he also most definitely spoke Polish.


That is incorrect, a few letter to Jagielloński Universytet are in Polish, his works were in Latin because that was the way of all Poles from the higher classes back then.


He had a German mother.

He also had a Polish father, fougth for Poland, learned in Poland, spoke Polish, he was definitely faaar more Polish than German and even today most dictonaries recognize him as such :))))


Who else was a famous German? Columbus?:))))

Klose.

And yet again I have to point out to Polish liars that servicemen from both the free Poles and the nation of Poland were invited to take part in the parade. If you don't believe me, see the memoirs of General Anders: he specifically states that free Poles were invited and that they refused the invitation. The writers of Qiestion of Honour are liars: American troops were not placed at the position of honour in the parade, no units of the US army were even invited!

Thats is your interpretation of events, and I wonder what could be said about you if your life would have been scrutinize and interpret in the same way you do it ?

There was no Ukraine state- period.
So Poland could not have stabbed non existed state in the nonexistent back......
What allies in the USSR? Your grandpa?
Nobody protested as everything was clear !
What concentrations camps and what was they purpose ?


I understand that Canadians, Americans and Scots are all English because they speak English ?and lets not forget Irish!
BB you have break it to them gently )))))))))))))))
What a helmeted wurst -pancerwurst? )))))))

panzerwurst hahahaha

brilliant ;)

The Czechs who paraded had no better luck than the Poles who did not.

One in your lifetime opportunity, Harry, so you can't say I'm not flexible: provide me with link to that invitation. Also give me timeframe: when this invitation was issued (months, days, hours before parade?) and to whom. I'm interested in those London Poles, don't care about Soviet Poles.

As already posted: read General Anders memoirs, all the details are there.

Why Poles are behaving like wussies all the time? You were or were not invited to the parade, so what? Ukraine, which lost 2.5 million soldiers and 4.5 million civilians wasn't invited to the freaking parade. Bielorus' lost 1/4th of its pre-war population wasn't invited either. Do you hear any complains on our side? Make fcuking parade in your own damn country and leave Britain alone.

We're not really. You're draw too many far going conclusions based
on the input of some "internet entities" on this board.

Come to Poland and meet some real Poles - we're not that bad ;-)

I would never call the Poles wussies, Nathan. However, old wounds sometimes never heal here. That was more pronounced under Kaczyński's PiS.

So why do you whine all the time? "History was unfair to us, we were not invited to a parade (what a joke), we saved Europe and the world (yeh, right) and they treat us badly, we were partitioned while other countries' territories were "rightfully taken back", we were peaceful and the rest are vultures". In my dictionary it is called wussiness and pussiness.

And yet we still beat Ukraine in virtually every war, we're still almost three times as wealthy as you and we're recognizable in Europe whereas you are...what?:))))

That's our national character. We love complaining even when we have little
or no reason to do it. It's kinda fun :)

Anyways, my internet connection really should be working better, it's so slow.
I wouln't mind earning more money than I do now - I can hardly make ends meet :-)
Did I mention that my neighbour is an arsehole? Oh, yeah - and the weather's sh1tty too.

:-)


lol

In our dictionary it's called "samo życie", "wiesz jak jest", "wyżej nerek
nie podskoczysz", "na układy nie ma rady" etc. etc.

EDIT:

I forgot...

Q: Co słychać? A: Stara bieda.
Q: Jak żyjesz? A: Eee tam, co to za życie?

... that's some real-life Polish language lessons for you, Nathan :-)

I read through these "major victories" in #350 - check it out, "victor" ;)


There is nothing bad in what you say. I wish it was limited to your words, Torq. But it sound more serious from what I see in this forum. Anyway, have a good one.

You shouldn't worry about what you read on internet boards. The amount
of sh1te posted on any forum is simply incredible. Talk to real people if
you want to have a better opinion about Poles.


You too, mate.