World War II - a tragic story for Poland and the World

There another of your a very wise posts, well, Canadian? fascist, apologetic of massacres and ethnic cleansing as long as Poles are on receiving end!

Reader of the history books nobody heard about, facts exist only in the fantasy world of some fascist west Ukrainian sect!
Come give us some more examples of your rants and lies.
Are you yet another miserable dwarf?

By the way, Cossack were creating problems when they were robing Ottomans towns, because Sultan were blaming and attacking Kingdom of Poland, not some bands/pirates, however powerful.

As for military help, Cossacks were getting paid, so they were soldiers of Crowns Army - not some charitable helpers......
wishful thinking yet again?or hate and pure idiocy?


Yet again the same lie !
Apologize at once you uncouth rascal!

Ironside, perhaps you would be so good as to tell us what the treaty of Warsaw and the peace of Riga say? I've posted the short version & you called that a lie, so post what those documents say. Especially the bits which say Poland didn't stab its ally in the back. Please. I challenge you!

you kinda of sound racist


What Ukraine Harry ? Was there any Ukrainian state?

hey, as long as you say it, lol

My first thought was "moronic" but I tried PC - now I regret it!
what big shot as yourself get out of such ****** generalization - almost as if t was cooked up by some underachiever on the dole lol!

Well, I read from cover to cover 'The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich'. It states that when Germany invaded Poland on 1st Sept 1939, the French had 100 divisions along the border with Germany. The british had 1, yes ONE infantry division. The rest were territorials or Home Guard. We really were, as Napolean put it, 'a nation of shopkeepers'. The promise to help Poland if Germany invaded was to bolster Polish morale as well as to bluff the Germans into thinking we really would launch an attack from the west. As it happened, the Germans invaded anyway and, due to the large distance from Britain to Poland, we were only able to make the odd equipment drop, which frequently landed behind German lines as they were taking territory so quickly.

I've had this discussion with many of my Polish friends about 'the Allies abandoning Poland'. I honestly don't see what more could have been done. One could even argue that Poland should have been better prepared and mobilised on a large scale, but this could have been used as a pretext for Hitler sending in his armies.

I think sometimes we British feel that we can't do right for doing wrong and every good thing we try to do ends up being criticised. Personally, I don't think the French have ever forgiven us for liberating them, as was demonstrated at the recent 65th anniversary of D-Day when Napolean Sarkozy failed to invite any of the British Royal Family.

Finally, I believe Poland is Britain's true friend in Europe as we can't ever trust France or Germany to support us when the backs are to the wall. I love the Polish stubborness to never stop believing, even when they're criticising themselves!! lol ;)

As you see, Harry, these are 12-year old kids fighting with a fence and claiming a victory. They don't know facts because their country keeps breeding these arrogant fanatics in order to disturb the world all the time. They have their own history; that's why many "facts" they present are only in their language since the publishers from other countries were sober enough not to translate and print these fantasy books. Anything presented by you, me or other guys from USA, Germany, England etc., are non-existant to them. You asked Ironside a simple question about Riga treaty of 1921 and he answers:"


I don't believe in any change soon within these childish minds. He is 25, if I am not mistaken, still young mf and already retarded.

love you too!
and love as
you twist everything to suite your fascistic views))))))
you are good but you cannot help yourself and such details as mf or retarded give you away )))
please twist again Lol!!!!

Guys can we please stick to th issue under discussion and not resort to personal insults. Let's not let this forum go the same way as so many others. Woulod you speak to each other like this face to face? I very much doubt it. Thanks guys.

Yes but could you please explain to us why did the awesome Ukrainians won only three battles out of more than 20? Why did you lose every single war? Why were we able to defeat you every single time we took the effort to fight you seriously?

While regretfully Poland fell behind the other old states of Europe you were never a power, even today you're the ass end of economic, political and military food chain, i find people like you have an amusing outlook on Poland, 20% dislike and 80% envy, you were always behind us on every field Nathan.

When discussing with BB i have to admit today we're well behind Germany but at least i can rely on periods when we were superior on every field and on the fact that legacy of the Commonwealth still lingers, our economy and political presence is proof and where is Ukraine today? A poverty stricken backwards state only a few paces past its communist period :)))


Or perhaps Europe will :)))

There are helmets on the entry to PF...take one!

Is it only me who laughed at that?
Any Brit who posts here could say you're the ass end of economic, political and military food chain, i find people like you have an amusing outlook on the UK, 20% dislike and 80% envy, you were always behind us on every field sokrates.

So now you are British? Why have you been ashamed to say that all along? In fact, I believe you have denied that before when challanged.

No sure what you mean by this. If you mean that I should be prepared for some flak then, of course, lively discussions are great but the site rules clearly state: 'Do not insult or harass others, play nicely!' so maybe you should either abide by this or go and play somewhere else. :)

Why do you people keep feeding him? I just scroll down not even reading his posts, it only pisses me off that you guys keep taking the bait, he's only here because people keep reading him and replying.

Would you like to quote the part of that post in which I write that I'm British? I write that "any Brit who posts here could say", I do not write that 'I do say'.


Yes of course you do, dear boy. Maybe one day you'll learn how to debate and then be able to come close to holding your own when discussing a topic with me. I wish you good luck in that education.

So who is us?

The British person who could say that is referring to himself and all other British people.

Why do you quote someone and then totally ignore the question. Instead, you insult.

Usual Sokratian BS about battles. Ukrainians kicked your ass every possible way. The only time you draw or won was when you bribed Tatars. 3 battles? Haha. Battles at Korsun, Batih, Pylyavtsi, Zhovti Wody, Zbarazh, L'viv, Zhvanets, .... and this is only in 4 years' span. 3 battles my ass!


It seems like you were not serious most of the times. I understand. Polish way of war - when you lose - you are not serious, when you win - you are serious from the start. ;)


True, we were behind you - we were always chasing your scared feather-asses out of the battle-field.


I would say it is rather 100% laughter.

Actually a few of the mods aint Polish.


Polish Ukrainian wars:

1591–1593 - Kosiński Uprising - major Polish victory.
1594–1596 - Nalyvaiko Uprising - major Polish victory.
1625 - Zhmailo Uprising. - major Polish victory.
1630 - Fedorovych Uprising. - moderate Polish victory.
1635, Sulyma Uprising. - major Polish victory.
1637 - Pawluk Uprising. - major Polish victory.
1638 - Ostrzanin Uprising. - major Polish victory.
1648–1657, Khmelnytsky Uprising, - minor Ukrainian victory (Poland fights Swedes, Prussians, Russians and Balkan/Hungarian states )
1918–1919, Polish-Ukrainian War, - As always Ukrainians get owned.

Out of 9 wars you have won one when we fought most of the local powers, out of a total of 29 major battles you won 3.

Hardly kicking our ass all over the place Nathan :))))


Read the Polish way above, of course i was not serious about you being serfs or what we did to Ukraine being good, i was not serious about retaking Lwów but i'm completely serious when claiming you're well behind us on every possible field especially military.

Also Nathan in the only uprising which you won you have been commanded by a Cossack of Polish descent since Chmielnicki used a Polish coat of arms and his father has probably been an ethnically Polish noble :))))


Nathan if not for our wars with multiple powerfull nations you would still be our province today, Ukraine on its own never had potential enough to defeat Poland and history proves it.

Ah, so now you are speaking for the British. Tell us "man for all seasons" what is the Innuit position on this matter.

Do try reading my post: I'm not speaking for any Brits, I'm pointing out what they could say if they wanted to.

That's true for anybody, anywhere. What anybody "could say" is meaningless.

The 'fuller truths'; the real facts are what matter(s).

Ok, Sokrates, I picked your 2 major Polish victories and one minor Ukrainian victory you mentioned above. Next time we will look the rest of them. Let's analize them:

Nalyvajko Uprising - major Polish victory - please, anyone, read the following and enjoy major Polish victory over Ukrainians:
The Nalyvaiko Uprising was a rebellion headed by Severyn Nalyvaiko against the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth from 1594 to 1596.

Nalyvaiko led his men through Galicia, Volhynia, and Belarus. His cossacks and rebel Ukrainian peasants took the cities of Bratslav, Husiatyn, Bar, Lutsk, Kaniv, Cherkasy, and Slutsk, Babruisk, and Mahiliou in Belarus. It was in Lutsk where they killed the Polish nobility and the Catholic clergy.

In 1595 the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth dispatched Hetman Stanisław Żółkiewski and the royal army to end the rebellion. In response to this, Nalivaiko joined his forces with the Zaporozhian Cossack Hetman Hryhory Loboda but was forced to retreat to left-bank Ukraine, even after defeating the Poles at Bila Tserkva.

On 26 May 1596 the cossacks were surrounded by the Polish force near Lubny. After two weeks of siege, there was unrest as the cossacks began to run out of food and water. Loboda was murdered, and on 7 July 1596 Nalyvaiko was handed over to the Poles, as a condition of surrender. After Nalyvaikos surrender the Poles killed the cossacks.

Nalyvaiko was brought to Warsaw, where he was tortured and quartered and put on public display. After the rebellion all Cossack lands were taken and given to the Polish magnates. Nalyvaiko became a legend and a hero of Ukrainian folk lore.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nalyvaiko_Uprising

Kosinski Uprising was destroyed in the Battle of Piatek. Before that they recaptured Kijiv, Trypole, Bilu Cerkwu, Perejaslaw. Ok, but let's look at the very major Polish victory. What were the forces of Cossacks and Polish-Lithuanians: https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitwa_pod_Pi%C4%85tkiem_(1593)

Cossacks - 5,000 people and 26 canons.
Polish-Lithuanian - they even are ashamed to mention the # of soldiers because it consisted of army recruited from 3 Ukrainian regions.

One of minor Ukrainian victories - Battle of Pyliavtsi (1648)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Pyliavtsi

I think your major victories bring you enough satisfaction and pride, Socrates. I see why.;)

Noone is 100% anything. No not 100% - but majority:)
Where can you find Copernicus statues?

Poles were not invited to the London victory parade of 1945

Poles and Ukranians have been stabbing eachother for years. GROW UP!!

3 times in fact. Poland provided a convenient buffer to Europe against the Mongolians. Ghengis Khan himself said of Polish soldiers - You can cut down the grass in the fields, but turn your back for too long and the grass will grow around your feet and eventually strangle you. (or something like that)

The Turks of course and

The Russians in 1920. Remember England, France and Germany were spent after 5 years of war. Russia would have swept accross Europe had Poland not stopped her :)

And never forget that Poland was happily reading Enigma codes in Germany from the early 30's until she passed on the cracking codes to England just before the war :)

Well, Copernicus wasn't 100% Polish as he had German family but he was born in Torun. The evidence points to him being more Polish.

What Ukrainian state Poland stabbed in the back?
Harry ?

Where was his heart? Since Copernicus commanded the Royal Polish soldiers during the
defense of a castle in Olsztyn against the Teutonic Knights who were besieging it then it stands to reason who he thought he was.

Don't tell Crow that serbian superstar Nicolas Tesla was in truth an Austrian and not a Serb!

What's good for the goose...:)