Poland-Russia: never-ending story?

Good idea ! No discussion ? That's diplomacy ?? When cutting off oil and gas, you made lives in danger, did you think about it ? Did you want some deaths on your mind to realize that was a wrong idea ??...

I don't think you are guilty, but your government is.


Maybe not starving, but with no tables full of food...go further in the East of your country, there are people living from hunting and fishing...i don't think your gov think about them as much as they think about using oil and gas for "diplomacy"...plenty of money for them, much less for the others -> Great Russia ;)

Exactly


I whant to sum up what Crow said. So if you don't want to weight your interests with interests of your neighbor, who feed you, you will have permanent problems.

I don't understand the "weight your interests with interests of your neighbor". Could you elaborate on this? In what way Lithuania doesnt "weight" their interest with Russias interest?

Stop! Why we should think about Ukranians? They have an independent state, so this question is on the shoulders of their government.


nonsense!!!! Thanks to my proffetion, i have constant buisiness trips over all territory of RF, and never saw the facts of starvation or even the death of those who work....

Contrary, when I was in Paris, I was amazed by the idleness of the inhabitants, especially by the male idleness! They are working on such positions which We, Russians, consider very humiliating!


Russian minority for example, and their rights

You use your oil and gas to make decisions over Ukraine. If something is wrong with them, just cut off oil and gas exportation. I'm happy to see you treat officially Ukraine as an independent country ;)


Oh so Russians live much better than some Paris inhabitants...i'd never thought that before, thanks for the info...What people did work in a humiliating way ? Tell me.

I think that we misunderstood ourselves. I was talking about Russia stopping sending oil to Lithuania and not about Latvia and the "monument issue".

But then, we know that Poland, Lithuania, Letonia, Estonia aren`t creators of NATO policy. Maybe members but, not creators

If Russia want to show strenght and to warn USA, Russia should deal dirrectly with USA (conventionaly, of course). Violant policy on weaker neighbors won`t help to Russian reputation and won`t stop USA. On the contrary, USA/EU/NATO just wait to push Russia in some stupid action and to point with evil fingers (end eyes :) ) onto Russia, while in fact they are self-proclaimed `world policeman`.


Polson is right hire.

Russia should have original and recognizable foreign policy, more in the Slavic spirit.


Hire, Russion side is right

but, methodology of Russion foreign politics failed

Instead of vilance, show batter face of Russia, give hope to people arround you. Do something for nature, for democracy, for tolerance, be batter on all those fields where so called West already failed

The same thing! I think that they must express their warm feelings toward russia loudly and neatly, otherwise we will think that they dont like us deep inside!


This is our true face and all MUST love it...i think...This face is rather nice and kind

We must nothing.

NO-NO!!!! You MUST!!! Because Jesus Christ will to love each other!!!

Oh, not again. Damn Russian vodka. Stop drinking already, will ya?

"...ti menya uvazhaesh'?" (....do you respect me?)

I don't know you so I can't answer that honestly.
I do not respect your hateful drivels against Poland, Poles and anything Polish.

Well the phrase "Do you respect me" serve as a final phrase among russian alcoholics. So, it become popular expression.

AS to my supposed "hateful drivels", well, you know exactly, that it not real, it's rather pretended

I'm not a Russian alcoholic so I wouldn't catch that.

so I will introduce ConstatntineK

He is Russian member of our forum,

In topic about PL-GER relationships he was writting that Germans shouldnt forget about their Russian friends and in case of Poland they can always ask for help (Russia) ...

He is trying to prove that Russia is so rich that we can just dream about thier level of life ... (when we proved that you can buy Russian teen from rich St Petersburg by internet he stoped)

Next he was writting that Mongolina warriors were poor too and conquered half of word, Romanians were lazy the same as Anglo-Saxon now and Russia will beat whole western word the same as barbarians (modern europeans) did with Rome ...

After we started to laught at him when he was trying to threaten us (he is Russia we are Poland ;))) LOL) he told that he like Poland and it will be enought when we will sold Ukraine for them and we will live in peace ...

I just dont want to writte more but to cut long story short he is typical Russian politician ...

and of course he loves their Putin ...

Nice intro Lukasz ;)

Strašno ;)

such an intro can turn Net enthity into muertos immortales of Net

exactly, what happened to Polish and Poland about construction of North European Gas Pipeline?

i've read the news, but it sounds tendencious. I need a real info for my thesis, thanks.

They are against, as are the Baltic States, and Sweden and Finland, as i heard ;)

It is project.

there are two alternative ways of new gas pipe lines : AMBER and JAMAL II

What is problem with Trans-Baltic Pipe line

It is much more expensive (Germans and Russians wants to bild it using EU funds)
It is dangerous for natural enviroment (seriusly)
Only Russia and Germany wants this project, all other countries refused permition to builid it on their part of Baltic. So they have to build it in places where are old Germans wepons.

Russia use gas and oil to black mail their neighbours (it is fact) after Lithuenia sold us Oil instalations Russians stoped sending them oil. After Estonians decided to move Russian monuments form citi center, they stoped sending mineral resources as well. When Ukraina has choosen democracy they started to black mail them in the same way.

Russians had problems because they had to stop sending oil to old Europe to so thwy had troubles. They decided to bulid new pipe line together with Germans to avoid countries they want to black mail, even this project is much more expensive (to build and exploatate) When we showed Germans our figures they aswered that it is political project (!!!) so they help Russians in they eforts to dominate eastern Europe again.

All other countries are agians this project, only Germans and Russians want it.

After everything what happened for Poland Ukraine Lithenia Estonia in last three years we know why this project is so strongly promoted by Russians ... Honestly it wasnt good economical business form the begining after all countries refused to build it on their part of Baltic it is one of the most expenisve projects. Amber and Jamal II are much more chiper to build and exploatate. Answer we get form Germans and Russians is one ... it is political project ... Russians wants to black mail our countries without making troubles for Germans ... Germans agree that it is grate idea

BDW, Lukasz you have nice avatar :)

somehow, democratic

I told him...Lukasz, did you have nice dreams last night...? ;) LoL

LOL ;)


;) of course Yes ;)

just to ralax this thread a little, when we are on natural beauties. hire is artistic vision of one ancient Slavic spirit `Rusalka`

Slavic goddess... ;) LoL

I think we have nice mithology ;)

Let's pray now...LoL Let's pray for a Slavic goddess to come tonight ;P

not only mithology ;)

my slavic goddness is in shop now ;) but latter I m going to pray ;))