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lesser 4 | 1,311  
26 Aug 2009 /  #151
lesser:
Poland should treat all citizens equally, no matter how other states behave regarding their own citizens

only if they treat Poland with the great respect. if not fcuk off

I understand that you support state of law. While good law is when paragraphs cannot be interpreted in many different ways. You could sacrifice few minutes and provide here such paragraph.

Sure, the best system monarchy before Renaissances!

It also needed many reforms, however it was evolving in good direction. It was reformable at all, whether mature representative democracy is hardly (in proper direction)...

I understand where you're coming from but to expect Poland to act according to your ideas is simply not possible in the modern world.

I think that we agree that Fukuyama's writings about end of history are truly delusional. If so, we must recognize that there is a permanent battle of ideologies and currently dominant one will be weakened sooner or later.

Thus people who actually bothered to study what is right and what is wrong (about various issues), should by some way spread this knowledge. Their actions hardly entirely succeed but may push developments in some proper direction. This is not only because they want replace current system by something better but also because they would hate to see current system replaced by something even worse. What you propose is to sit quietly in the corner and accept wrongdoings around of us. I'm afraid that with that kind of attitude nobody ever gained anything positive. While you cannot seriously expect that those whom oppose both to your views and current system will remain passive as well.
Nerijus  
26 Aug 2009 /  #152
Do you find a difference between Polish people from Lithuania and Polish people from Poland, regarding Lithuania?

In General, people from Poland hardly know anything about Lithuania. When I say to Polish person that I am from Lithuania he or she tries hard to speak to me in Russian, and when I say that my Russian is not that good to keep the conversation ging not rarely I am suggested to speak Lithuanian because there will be no problem as they could understand Belorussian or Ukrainian without much of the problem! Some people say that they can't even make a difference between Latvia and Lithuania, this always confuses them. But Poles treats us more or less as the rest of the world as some breed of Russians.
SeanBM 35 | 5,808  
26 Aug 2009 /  #153
Nerijus, what do Lithuanians think of the Polish miority in Lithuania?.
Do you think there is a difference in the generations of both Polish and Lithuanians?.
Nerijus  
26 Aug 2009 /  #154
Nerijus, what do Lithuanians think of the Polish minority in Lithuania?.

Most Lithuanians apart those from Wilno region do not feel even their existence therefore they have no opinion whatsoever.
As far as Lithuanian culture and history makers are concerned they talk one voice that what history they have got from older generation can be littered easily without no harm as it is nothing but antiPolishness! So what I see now that new generation of Lithuanian historians trying discreetly to come up with history that step by step tries to bust the old "Lithuanian history" myths. So make yourself prepare for a brand new Lithuanian history! :-)

Do you think there is a difference in the generations of both Polish and Lithuanians?

Yes they are both less nationalistic, more globally minded and less Russian.
lesser 4 | 1,311  
26 Aug 2009 /  #155
less Russian.

What do you mean?
Ironside 50 | 10,913  
26 Aug 2009 /  #156
While you cannot seriously expect that those whom oppose both to your views and current system will remain passive as well.

Should be able to use the system.
What are you doing in practical terms? Talking !
Nerijus  
27 Aug 2009 /  #157
less Russian.

What do you mean?

People have heart for Russian culture, they speak close to fluent Russian, they support Russian teams in sport competions even if they play againts Polish etc. For some especially older generation is the only language they know well. I am talking about Poles. When you talk politics to them it doesn't at all feel you talk to Pole but rather Russian, they are strongly proRussian minded too. So I generalized here the generation of ~35 to 60 year/old.

And guess what? The generation that under 35 has very little of that indeed. One funny thing I've noticed that young people(with little Lithuanian exposure) talk Lithuanian with Polish accent not Russian. And naturally enough, Lithuanians perceive those better who speaks to them in their language not in Russian. So that is where Lithuanians feel the generation difference.
Melanie_M - | 10  
27 Aug 2009 /  #158
Hmm. you are quite right, considering the ending of the last name...My mom's side.. my great-grandfather came from Poland, but his last name, Witovitz, is believed to be of Lithuanian roots...But, with that last name ending, is of Jewish ancestry...so, my question is, what exactly is the difference between the countries.. anyone know? we are talking late 1800's when his parents came over...But, the funny thing is..They never talked about their ancestry, so, I just found out about this last month. When questioned my grandfather and his sisters, brothers, they never knew.. My family thinks I am quite crazy about the "jewish" thing they call it.. but, it is what it is..I mean...whatever.
lesser 4 | 1,311  
29 Aug 2009 /  #159
Should be able to use the system.
What are you doing in practical terms? Talking !

I'm not faithful doggie of this state for example. Beside of that the left which practically control state run education system understand very well that talking is very important.

People have heart for Russian culture, they speak close to fluent Russian, they support Russian teams in sport competions even if they play againts Polish etc. So I generalized here the generation of ~35 to 60 year/old.

I never had a pleasure to met such Pole. Beside of that if people know one language less, it doesn't make them smarter even a bit.
mateinone 5 | 58  
9 Dec 2009 /  #160
I have also wondered many times whether or not Poles - Lithuanians think of each other and if general relationships are strong or week. Obviously there is a large history between the two nations, but I am unaware whether they consider themselves allies or "brothers in arms" or quite the opposite or even if they are apathetic about each other.
Mr Grunwald 29 | 1,957  
11 Dec 2009 /  #161
Hisotricly they should think about each other as Denmark and Norway. But reality is quite different...

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