Harry
7 Dec 2007 / #181
How much misinformation can you spread!
The reality of the situation was exactly the opposite of what you claim: Churchill wanted to support the Poles Roosevelt didn't want to upset Uncle Joe! Look at the communication about the Warsaw Uprising and use of the USAAF bases in Ukraine to supply the Home Army in Warsaw
"The Soviet refusal launched a crescendo of telegrams between Churchill, Roosevelt and Stalin. August 20th, Churchill and Roosevelt send a joint message to Stalin urging him to let their planes land.
August 22nd, Stalin responds with a denunciation of the handful of criminals in Warsaw.
August 35th, Churchill asks Roosevelt to join him in another impassioned plea to Stalin. To Roosevelt he proposes to send the planes and see what happens.
It is at this moment that Roosevelt makes a fateful decision. August 26th, Roosevelt to Churchill. "I do not consider it advantageous in the long term general war prospect for me to join you in the proposed message to Uncle Joe." "
Read it for yourself at transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/24/cp.01.html
More from that same source
"DAVIES: Roosevelt's refusal to act is probably the key political moment in the writing. The western allies had a lot of cards they could have played. They were supplying the Soviet Union with colossal amounts of transport, ammunition, military supplies, and if the president had intervened he may have well had a response.
They didn't even try it.
Whether the effort would have succeeded, whether Stalin would have backed down, we'll never know. What we do know is that Roosevelt wouldn't even support Churchill in some half-hearted efforts to put pressure on Stalin. But Roosevelt was preoccupied with beating the Nazis on the Western Front and he knew that Soviets had so far borne the brunt of the battle against the Germans. He did not want to risk losing them.
KENNEDY: This is very much on Roosevelt's mind that he cannot really afford to antagonize the Soviet Union in any way. The basic strategy of the United States, a war of attrition where most of the attritting would be done by the Soviets. And indeed, the Second World War took over 20 million Soviet lives. Took fewer than half a million American lives."
Even after the end of WWII Churchill was planning an attack on the Soviet Union to liberate Poland!
BTW: what could the USA have done? Well which was the only country in the world with nuclear weapons in 1945? If the USA had said "All Soviet troops out of Poland or Moscow gets nuked" might something have happened?
Go read some history books before you come here dragging names through mud and making the USA out to be the heroes of every situation.
The reality of the situation was exactly the opposite of what you claim: Churchill wanted to support the Poles Roosevelt didn't want to upset Uncle Joe! Look at the communication about the Warsaw Uprising and use of the USAAF bases in Ukraine to supply the Home Army in Warsaw
"The Soviet refusal launched a crescendo of telegrams between Churchill, Roosevelt and Stalin. August 20th, Churchill and Roosevelt send a joint message to Stalin urging him to let their planes land.
August 22nd, Stalin responds with a denunciation of the handful of criminals in Warsaw.
August 35th, Churchill asks Roosevelt to join him in another impassioned plea to Stalin. To Roosevelt he proposes to send the planes and see what happens.
It is at this moment that Roosevelt makes a fateful decision. August 26th, Roosevelt to Churchill. "I do not consider it advantageous in the long term general war prospect for me to join you in the proposed message to Uncle Joe." "
Read it for yourself at transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0507/24/cp.01.html
More from that same source
"DAVIES: Roosevelt's refusal to act is probably the key political moment in the writing. The western allies had a lot of cards they could have played. They were supplying the Soviet Union with colossal amounts of transport, ammunition, military supplies, and if the president had intervened he may have well had a response.
They didn't even try it.
Whether the effort would have succeeded, whether Stalin would have backed down, we'll never know. What we do know is that Roosevelt wouldn't even support Churchill in some half-hearted efforts to put pressure on Stalin. But Roosevelt was preoccupied with beating the Nazis on the Western Front and he knew that Soviets had so far borne the brunt of the battle against the Germans. He did not want to risk losing them.
KENNEDY: This is very much on Roosevelt's mind that he cannot really afford to antagonize the Soviet Union in any way. The basic strategy of the United States, a war of attrition where most of the attritting would be done by the Soviets. And indeed, the Second World War took over 20 million Soviet lives. Took fewer than half a million American lives."
Even after the end of WWII Churchill was planning an attack on the Soviet Union to liberate Poland!
BTW: what could the USA have done? Well which was the only country in the world with nuclear weapons in 1945? If the USA had said "All Soviet troops out of Poland or Moscow gets nuked" might something have happened?
Go read some history books before you come here dragging names through mud and making the USA out to be the heroes of every situation.