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WW2: Britain Declares War on Germany to Save Poland


Hueg - | 320  
5 Dec 2007 /  #121
right now im thinking

Well to aid you in that thought process:

Finland fought three wars: the Winter War alone against the Soviet Union, the Continuation War with Germany against the Soviet Union, and the Lapland War alone against Germany.

and as I pointed out your statement in bold:

Finland was an enemy of the third reich

*cough* I think you meant Ally until late 1944 then you're correct. :)

Wroclaw Boy  
5 Dec 2007 /  #122
Britten – Lost the empire (and status to U.S)

Yeh, we should have allocated a few more thousand troops to the so called war of independence and that would be that.

and as I pointed out your statement in bold:

Hueg go back to your accountancy work
Hueg - | 320  
5 Dec 2007 /  #123
accountancy work

lol

Far too exciting, i enjoy counting rivets as they pop.
Harry  
5 Dec 2007 /  #124
WTF are you talking about?

Go read a history book. Germany offered Britain peace before and after the invasion of Poland. Before the invasion of France. Before Paris was captured. Before the USSR was invaded.

"Shortly before the outbreak of war, Hitler offered a peace deal to Britain. He got his response even before the British Government had considered it. Maurice Latey, working on the German Service, poured scorn on the offer. The next morning Latey read newspaper headlines announcing: 'BBC rejects Hitler peace offer'. He recalled: 'I approached the office in fear and trembling, only to find on my desk a note from my boss congratulating me on my effort.'

Hitler made another offer, after the fall of Paris, with the same result. Sefton Delmer acknowledged the offer on air, and replying: 'Herr F├╝hrer and Reichskanzler, we hurl it right back at you, right in your evil-smelling teeth.' "

bbc.co.uk/heritage/story/ww2/overseas.shtml
Wroclaw Boy  
5 Dec 2007 /  #125
Go read a history book. Germany offered Britain peace before and after the invasion of Poland. Before the invasion of France. Before Paris was captured. Before the USSR was invaded.

I know, Hitler invaded Russia in September 1942 we declared war on germany in late 1939.

Ive read plenty of history seems that you have not though.
szkotja2007 27 | 1,498  
5 Dec 2007 /  #126
Rudolf Hess, Hitlers deputys' flight to Scotland 1941. Widely believed to be an attempt to broker a peace deal.
Wroclaw Boy  
5 Dec 2007 /  #127
I dont think a "history book" quite covers it though harry. It seems everytime i get into a discussion about WWII im the one who ends up providing the history lesson.
szkotja2007 27 | 1,498  
5 Dec 2007 /  #128
It seems everytime i get into a discussion about WWII im the one who ends up providing the history lesson.

Finland - LOL
PinkJewel  
5 Dec 2007 /  #129
It seems everytime i get into a discussion about WWII im the one who ends up providing the history lesson.

Or getting a much needed one...

Believe it or not, you don't know everything about WWII...I guess in reality, no one does.
Wroclaw Boy  
5 Dec 2007 /  #130
Believe it or not, you don't know everything about WWII...I guess in reality, no one does.

Allow me to state similar quote: "i hate polish people in England taking our jobs but we do need them".
Polson 5 | 1,770  
5 Dec 2007 /  #131
It seems everytime i get into a discussion about WWII im the one who ends up providing the history lesson.

Oh yeah ?? Haha. Nobody agrees...
PinkJewel  
5 Dec 2007 /  #132
Allow me to state similar quote: "i hate polish people in England taking our jobs but we do need them".

eh? Why would you state that?
Wroclaw Boy  
5 Dec 2007 /  #133
Oh yeah ?? Haha. Nobody agrees...

You just did in the end.

eh? Why would you state that?

Cos you said I dont know everything about WWII and then you stated that nobody does. But I do however know a lot more than you.
Polson 5 | 1,770  
5 Dec 2007 /  #134
You just did in the end

Did what, tell me, you're the teacher here :)
PinkJewel  
5 Dec 2007 /  #135
But I do however know a lot more than you.

You think you do. I'm simply not interested in getting involved in what always turns into an argument whenever WWII or similar is brought up. I could be bothered to discuss it if people like you didn't turn up thinking you know absolutely everything and only end up causing trouble.

None of this explains why you said this:

Allow me to state similar quote: "i hate polish people in England taking our jobs but we do need them".

Cos you said

AND you argue like a child!
Wroclaw Boy  
5 Dec 2007 /  #136
Did what, tell me, you're the teacher here :)

Agree with me

Believe it or not, you don't know everything about WWII...I guess in reality, no one does.

I think that explains it

Quoting: Wroclaw Boy
Cos you said

AND you argue like a child!

It always amuses me when people take threads and paste shite out of context to benefit themselves.
Polson 5 | 1,770  
5 Dec 2007 /  #137
Agree with me

Did i ? I agree that trees are green, than the sky is blue...but i never agreed on the "England saved the world", maybe England saved your world, not ours.
Wroclaw Boy  
5 Dec 2007 /  #138
Look I cant really be bothered to argue with you, perhaps we can chat about something else at a later date.

Polson good night.
szkotja2007 27 | 1,498  
5 Dec 2007 /  #139
But I do however know a lot more than you.




Polson 5 | 1,770  
5 Dec 2007 /  #140
Good night WB ;)
Wroclaw Boy  
5 Dec 2007 /  #141
maybe England saved your world, not ours.

I think that we did actually and for you to say anything else is damn well disrespectful

Quoting: Wroclaw Boy
But I do however know a lot more than you.

Been saving that one have you jock?
Polson 5 | 1,770  
5 Dec 2007 /  #142
I think that we did actually and for you to say anything else is damn well disrespectful

What's disrespectul is forgetting that many others fought to death. They brought altogether the final "victory". England didn't save the world, they helped, they're among the so-called "winners". I'm not going to change my mind on that point, don't waste your time.

Good night and nice snowboarding, lucky you :)
PinkJewel  
5 Dec 2007 /  #143
I think that explains it

Nah, you're losing it. You're arguing things twice...there's no point.

It always amuses me when poeple take threads and paste shite out of context to benefit themselves.

It shouldn't because it's not out of context, you began a sentence with "cos you said". Exactly like a child does in an argument. Did not benefit me in the slightest.

I think that we did actually and for you to say anything else is damn well disrespectful

YOU didn't do anything so this "we" is crap. Our grandfathers (mines included) from around the UK (and Allies) did it...remember that when you open your next beer or pour your next glass of wine or whatever you're drinking freely at the moment!
szkotja2007 27 | 1,498  
5 Dec 2007 /  #144
Been saving that one have you jock?

Hope you get fresh snow for tomorrow.
Spij dobrze.
celinski 31 | 1,258  
5 Dec 2007 /  #145
The British were a beacon of light for the World at this time and thank god goodness prevailed, had Hitler beaten Us who knows what world we would be living in right now.

This beacon you speak of did Poland no good when they said to Germany stop or we'll declair war and then did nothing. So big deal they declaired war and watched as Poland waited for British to back them. Even when Polish knew they had been betrayed, they stayed and helped fight. You say "who know what world we would be living in right now", look what ended up happening to Poland, I guess we can tell you.

Carol
Firestorm 6 | 400  
5 Dec 2007 /  #146
"who know what world we would be living in right now"

We all know what world YOU Live in..
A Little one all of your own.

Even when the facts are put in front of you your like a lil Emu.
Head buried so deep in ********.
You cant see anything else. Youv'e been badly Bainwashed by some dumbass.
Whoever taught you.
If i was you i'd demand my money back and sue the muppet for missrepresentation.

Stop trying to poison other peoples minds.
And go back to sleep.
Mb When you wake up again. Someone else might believe you.
Puzzler 9 | 1,089  
6 Dec 2007 /  #147
So big deal they declaired war and watched as Poland waited for British to back them

- Carol (that's your first name, isn't it?), facts seem to show that in 1939 the British just were not able to back us up by sending their army directly to Poland. Moreover, to compound the British difficulties, the French, who were much better equipped for helping Poland by direct military action than the British were, didn't send their army to Poland in the first place. All Britain could do was declare war on Germany and stick to it. And unlike anyone else, she did. And that was certainly loyal and friendly towards us. Moreover, the British accepted our soldiers into their own ranks, gave them military equipment. The British aren't to blame for the Yalta agreements either; it's Roosevelt and his American bunch who are. You're American, aren't you? Perhaps it's hard for you to accept the fact that it is the United States that is responsible for the treacherous and cruel sell-out of Poland to the Russians in Yalta.

Head buried so deep in ********.
You cant see anything else. Youv'e been badly Bainwashed by some dumbass

, etc.

- These insults towards Carol don't appear necessary.
Harry  
6 Dec 2007 /  #148
I know, Hitler invaded Russia in September 1942 we declared war on germany in late 1939.

Ive read plenty of history seems that you have not though.

You really are a troll aren't you?

You might want to read slightly better history books: the Nazi invasion of Russia started on June 22 1941. By September 1942 the battle of Stalingrad was in full swing.
Kilkline 1 | 689  
6 Dec 2007 /  #149
Quoting: Wroclaw Boy
The British were a beacon of light for the World at this time and thank god goodness prevailed, had Hitler beaten Us who knows what world we would be living in right now.

This beacon you speak of did Poland no good when they said to Germany stop or we'll declair war and then did nothing. So big deal they declaired war and watched as Poland waited for British to back them. Even when Polish knew they had been betrayed, they stayed and helped fight. You say "who know what world we would be living in right now", look what ended up happening to Poland, I guess we can tell you.

Carol

Maybe we should have waited to declare war on Germany until we were attacked directly by one of their allies, but in the meantime loan money (at very reasonable rates) to those who were fighting the Nazis, thus making a nice profit and helping to establish ourselves as the worlds first superpower. Would that have been the brave (American ) thing to do?
southern 75 | 7,096  
6 Dec 2007 /  #150
The truth is in in the numbers.
Eastern front:3,5 million German soldiers with 8000 tanks against 6 million Soviets with 14000 tanks.
Italy front:200000 Germans with 500 tanks against 500000 Angloamericans with 1500 tanks.
Western front:600000 Germans with 1500 tanks against 1.2 million Angloamericans with 4000 tanks.

There is no comparison between eastern and western front.Had the Germans the opportunity to remove from the eastern front just 30% of their forces there,that is 1 million men and 2500 tanks to the Western front,the allied forces would have had simply no chance against them.They would have been kicked to the sea.

Churchill waited for three years before launching attack on Normandy in order to cope with a german army weakened and exhausted from the slaughter in eastern front.

Between 1941-1944 the red army killed or captured over 2.5 million german soldiers while the british army killed and captured maximum 200000 german soldiers.
The weight of the war between 1941-1944 fell almost entirely on Soviet army which suffered extreme losses.1 million Soviet soldiers were killed only in operations in Poland,Hungary and Germany between 1944-1945.The red army lost 8 million soldiers during the war.

In comparison the US had only 300000 soldiers dead and UK about 800000 casualties.
The point is if US had to suffer over 1 million corpses,would it be able to continue the war?Would anybody support such a war?Of course the Soviets could not protest against the slaughtering and this was the advanatge of the totalitarian governements of Hitler and Stalin.They could afford more losses,so they could operate better in front.

The americans had hordes of technicians,economists and personell which counted in detail the soviet losses before and after in order to provide them the right amount of supplies.They did not provide a lot,so that red army becomes extremely powerful but not less than needed to continue being able to kill Germans.

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