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WW2: Britain Declares War on Germany to Save Poland


southern 75 | 7,096  
5 Dec 2007 /  #91
Hitler admitted in 1945 that Russians had proved to be superior race and the Germans had to be wiped out by the superior conqueror.They did not deserve to survive.
Polson 5 | 1,770  
5 Dec 2007 /  #92
Is it a joke ?...cause i don't think it's true ;)
Wroclaw Boy  
5 Dec 2007 /  #93
Eventually they discovered that the "greater race" was not them, but Slavs

I hardly think the slavs were greater just more in numbers the Russians lost 18,000,000 in that war. Twice as many as the germans.

Hitler admitted in 1945 that Russians had proved to be superior race and the Germans had to be wiped out by the superior conqueror.They did not deserve to survive.

Thats utter crap as well. The Germans would have taken Moscow if not for the winter, during this time the Ruskies called in their Siberian troops guarding the east from the Japs. The Russians only won the battle in the East with pure numbers, if you did your reseacrh you would know that 80% of the Russian airforce was destroyed in day one of operation Barberossa.
Polson 5 | 1,770  
5 Dec 2007 /  #94
I hardly think the slavs were greater just more in numbers the Russians lost 18,000,000 in that war. Twice as many as the germans

I didn't say that some were greater than others ;)
Piorun - | 658  
5 Dec 2007 /  #95
The Russians only won the battle in the East with pure numbers

I’m confused. Didn’t you say?

We WON,

Wroclaw Boy  
5 Dec 2007 /  #96
The main reason Germany did so well in the whole of WWII is the fact that they had been planning and preparing for it since 1937. Designing tanks, aircraft, machine guns and all kinds of war materials not to mention troop training.

I’m confused. Didn’t you say?

Oh for F sake, USSR were in partnership with the Germans from the outbreak of war, thats how Poland got annexed, half to Germany half to the Russians. We Britian stood alone for two years then Germany invaded Russia.

Does that clear it up for now?
Piorun - | 658  
5 Dec 2007 /  #97
Does that clear it up for now?

I know the history it’s just that you sound like England won it all by herself
Polson 5 | 1,770  
5 Dec 2007 /  #98
they had been planning and preparing for it since 1937

Not longer ?...

We Britian stood alone for two years then Germany invaded Russia.

You were not alone. Other nations fought on your side, but your too blind or too "proud" to admit it.
Wroclaw Boy  
5 Dec 2007 /  #99
Ok so from 1940 who was helping the UK in the battle of Britian, not the French thats for sure. And De Gauld what a joke that guy was. Fair comment we had a few refugees helping us fly planes etc but the bulk was British and thats it. We held of the German onslaught for two years and I repeat we stood alone.
Polson 5 | 1,770  
5 Dec 2007 /  #100
Ok so from 1940 who was helping the UK in the battle of Britian

Polish pilots fought alongside British pilots, and they did great job.
Then, later, Americans.

Once again, the fact that the UK is an island helped you. France and many other continent Allies were defeated. Some of their soldiers who survived joined your forces, i mean your grandfathers forces...

:)
Wroclaw Boy  
5 Dec 2007 /  #101
Hitler had conquored every nation he had fought till the British, so when I say that we saved the World i mean it but not in a military fasion. In the words of Winston Churchill " Hitlers knows he must conquor England in this Island or lose the war".

The British were a beacon of light for the World at this time and thank god goodness prevailed, had Hitler beaten Us who knows what world we would be living in right now.

Once again, the fact that the UK is an island helped you.

Sweden was never occupied!! Or Switzerland!!
Polson 5 | 1,770  
5 Dec 2007 /  #102
The British were a beacon of light for the World at this time and thank god goodness prevailed, had Hitler beaten Us who knows what world we would be living in right now

Don't think that Britain was the only nation to fight. The countries defeated continued to resist. Many of those resistants died. They deserve as many honours than your Britain, bud :)

Sweden was never occupied!! Or Switzerland!!

Switzerland is a "special" case...
Norway was invaded as Finland. Sweden were neutral but provided materials to Germany...
Hueg - | 320  
5 Dec 2007 /  #103
1940:Defeat against Wehrmacht in France. Rescue in Normandy due to Hitler's generosity.

The BEF had a lucky escape. True.

1941:Defeat against Wehrmacht in Norway

Operation Claymore or Archery? Both were Commando raids designed to disrupt and tie up German materiel. Both were very successful if memory serves.

1941:Defeat against Wehrmacht in Greece

The British expressly stated they could not provide enough manpower to repluse any German attack. That being the case, it's hardly surprising.

1941:Defeat against Wehrmacht in Kreta

Freyberg (Enzedder btw) and his troops inflicted heavy losses on the Fallschirmjäger during the battle, to such an extent that Hitler never allowed another Airborne operation to be carried out. They were beaten yes, but were beaten more by mistakes in command and control, rather than superior opposition.

I notice you missed out the defence of Malta

1942:Defeat against Wehmacht in Tobruk.Surrender of british divisions.

I notice you call them British but make the distinction about Australians and Enzedders later. The division the DAK captured was South African and Tobruk capilutated mainly due to the RN's inability to keep the garrison supplied.

Sluggish progress against Wehrmacht in Italy despite superior supplies and american ammunition and despite plenty of american,new Zealand and Australia forces

Now you're being facetious. The Gustav Line, Monte Cassino, The Bernhardt Line the Senger Line and the Ceaser Line. If you want to call the progress 'slow' then you must blame the Polish second Corps, which did the majority of the fighting at Cassino amongst others. I would personally call it back breaking and heroic.

1944:Stuck up against Wehrmacht for two months in Caen despite air superiority,superior numbers of soldiers,despite american help.Unable to proceed at all at Normandy front

The quality of the German troops here was phenomenal. The Canadians and Brits tasked with taking the city did a very good job against a fanatical foe.

1944:Elimination against Wehrmacht in Arnhem

I'm actually bored now but lightly armed paratroopers holding out against the 2nd Panzer Corps for a week and only withdrawing after the linkup forces including Polish 3 para could not get across the Rhine. Shall we blame the Poles again? Or shall we say it was just a Bridge Too Far? Cheque's in the Post Dirk.

Ardennes

That'll be the Americans then. :)
Wroclaw Boy  
5 Dec 2007 /  #104
Norway was invaded as Finland. Sweden were neutral but provided materials to Germany...

Finland was an enemy of the third reich and held out throughout the entire war first from Russia and then Germany. An EU continental nation with the power to resist, Merci beaucoup.

Don't think that Britain was the only nation to fight

Its not only about fighting its about drawing together the resourecs neccesary to win the battle and I believe we did that.
szkotja2007 27 | 1,498  
5 Dec 2007 /  #105
OK, who is going to start a thread - "What my Grandad did in the War " ?
Hueg - | 320  
5 Dec 2007 /  #106
Finland was an enemy of the third reich

*cough* I think you meant Ally until late 1944 then you're correct. :)
Wroclaw Boy  
5 Dec 2007 /  #107
Polson to be honest I cant believe your really fighting this losing battle, learn form your mistakes and admit defeat.
Polson 5 | 1,770  
5 Dec 2007 /  #108
Its not only about fighting its about drawing together the resourecs neccesary to win the battle and I believe we did that

The war was not only between England and Germany. There were battles everywhere in the world, and every victories were important. So, yes, England, or the UK (better) did much, but not all. The only problem here is that you claim than England won the war. Personally, i think that noone won. So many losses, too much harm...

England on its own would never have won, i'm sorry to tell you that, but that's the truth.
Wroclaw Boy  
5 Dec 2007 /  #109
The Soviet Union attacked Finland on November 30, 1939,

Cough, Cough - splutter
Hueg - | 320  
5 Dec 2007 /  #110
England on its own would never have won, i'm sorry to tell you that, but that's the truth.

Absolutely true. Russia was where it was won and lost.
Wroclaw Boy  
5 Dec 2007 /  #111
Personally, i think that noone won

Thats just about the most stupid thing you could have said at this point in the argument. Are we National Solociasts, no. I rest my case.

England on its own would never have won, i'm sorry to tell you that, but that's the truth.

Maybe but dont cough at my comments when your post is wrong.
Harry  
5 Dec 2007 /  #112
Yes this is true they were invited but they were not allowed participate in the actual Victory Parade itself, the same was the story for the Polish Air Force Pilot's who were so offended that they did not attend.

The only reason for this was to not upset "Joe Stalin", and it's a sad part of our British history, but politics are politics and I suppose if they went against Russia at the time who knows what would have happened, and a possibility is that most of Europe would only now be emerging from Soviet rule.

That is very simply a lie. Free Polish forces were invited to participate in the actual Victory Parade itself. They chose not to do so and refused to accept their invitation. I suggest that you read a little history and learn more than just the lies which Polish school-children were taught to parrot by Soviet teachers.

Polish forces representing the government of Poland were also invited to participate in the actual Victory Parade itself and did not refuse to attend: they just didn't turn up.

As a matter of fact (and provable historical record) the British government under Churchill did plan an attack against the Red Army. Check the history books.
Wroclaw Boy  
5 Dec 2007 /  #113
England on its own would never have won, i'm sorry to tell you that, but that's the truth.

It doesnt take a genious to work that out and I never said it anyway.
Hueg - | 320  
5 Dec 2007 /  #114
Maybe but dont cough at my comments when your post is wrong.

I assume you mean Finland? Check your nearest history book. I accept apologies in either Public or PM format. :) Btw Bold = quote :)
Harry  
5 Dec 2007 /  #115
England on its own would never have won, i'm sorry to tell you that, but that's the truth.

England was offered peace several times. Each time the offer was rejected because the Nazis would not guarantee there would be an independant Poland.

Of course Poles tend to forget this fact and instead keep repeating the Nazi and Soviet propaganda about how the UK did nothing to help Poland.
Polson 5 | 1,770  
5 Dec 2007 /  #116
Quoting: Polson
Personally, i think that noone won

Thats just about the most stupid thing you could have said at this point in the argument

I'm sad you didn't get this, but that's true. 70 million people died. Many cities totally destroyed. What did you win then, tell me ? You were the last one to pull the trigger, that makes you so happy ?...
Wroclaw Boy  
5 Dec 2007 /  #117
Dude highlight the text and then click quote in the top right of the post, thus quote.

Your bold headings are a little confusing, if i re-read this in the morning and feel you deserve an apology i will but right now im thinking - Nah.
Polson 5 | 1,770  
5 Dec 2007 /  #118
Poles tend to forget this fact and instead keep repeating the Nazi and Soviet propaganda about how the UK did nothing to help Poland

At the beginning of the war, yes. Then Britain did a great job. There's noone to deny it.
Wroclaw Boy  
5 Dec 2007 /  #119
England was offered peace several times

WTF are you talking about?
Piorun - | 658  
5 Dec 2007 /  #120
The British were a beacon of light for the World at this time and thank god goodness prevailed, had Hitler beaten Us who knows what world we would be living in right now.

That’s the fact.
History we all know (if not we can always look it up)
However there were three big losers in this war.
Poland – we all know
Germany – obvious
Britten – Lost the empire (and status to U.S)
So bickering who did what or how much did one contribute does not change this fact.
We all lost
For the last 60 years we’re all dominated by the two big winners U.S and Russia.

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