German POWs after WW2 - did the allies commit mass murder?

Which, again, is my point Franek. There is nothing more dear to most of us than human life. When an evaluation comes up as to whether or not to go to war, people's lives are reduced to stats. Oh, shall we send 10,000 troops or 15,000 troops? Ah, who cares? It's only 5,000 extra. What a stupid attitude. There's Rummy saying that ONE American life should be valued highly. Well, no **** Sherlock. Of course, so why was there not more emphasis placed on war diversion strategy?

There ya go Seanus. See, there are some things that you and I can agree on. But Obama is not one of them. You put me in mind of the hippies from the 1960..You are so obsessed with this guy, that you think that he is the second coming of the lord.

There was another guy just like him not too long ago that had the same effect on people. Another Messiah. Jim Jones. Another half breed. People were so infatuated with him,that they committed mass suicide by drinking cyanide laced kool aid in Guyana.

Time will tell.

I'm not obsessed with him at all, just impressed. I've said it b4 tho, Franek, there are forces more powerful than him and he will be bought and sold. I'm not into hippy radical stuff btw, definitely not my thing.

I'm a liberal, not as much of a social-democrat as Obama. I was equally impressed with the homework done by McCain in exposing Obama's foibles. Please Franek, I don't like labels or being put in a bag and marked.

That is not my intent Seanus. Actually, I like you. At least when you disagree with me, you do not use vulgar language. You respond civilally.

I do have a problem with your profile though. I am not sure just what nationality you are. I was under the impression that you were Polish.. But here recently you mentioned Scotland.. That confused me.

I'm not Polish, what would have given you that impression? I am Scottish, yes.

HMMM.
Now this is a horse of another color..I m going to have to go back to the drawing board on this one.. ( No offense, or labels) It just upset my apple cart a little.

Ok! in one of your recent posts, you condemed firearms in the States.. From another thread that I read on here, it was stated that there is a knife culture in Glasgow,and the streets are not safe.. This sounds like an American ghetto. Since I speak with no authority, correct me if I am wrong.

Yes, I did condemn firearms in the States, that's true. Yes, there is a knife culture in Glasgow, that's true too. There was a huge clampdown many years ago and I think I alluded to that on that thread. What's ur point?

My point is. What is good for the goose. Is good for the gander.

What difference does it make how one dies? Does it matter if one is stabbed to death or shot.

Yes, but u r missing one very important point Franek. I'm not for knives either, I will not defend thugs or others who carry them.

There's a much higher chance of being killed from a gun than from a knife.

Yeah because killing someone is the only use for a knife? I guess in your view I am a thug because I carry a knife daily...comes in handy for all sorts of NON evil things. You are an extremist in your views of tools seanus. We are letting a few bad apples make us all controlled to the point of insanity.

OK Seanus.. You win.. Besides we are off of the original subject..

I knew I should've included that bit about tradesmen needing them for their work, damn ;)

Gtd, I carried a Swiss Army knife sometimes as they had many useful functions. I'm no hypocrite. I had no intention of harming anyone.

Please don't call me an extremist when I'm just being practical, my friend.

I dont think you are. I think you are being emotional and reactive to the violence and putting the blame in the wrong place. It is much more practical to have these tools available.

U r giving people the means to kill, what is so noble about that? Emotional, sorry, I'm not approaching it that way. Where should I be putting the blame then? Enlighten me.

U sound like I'm advocating the eradication of knives. Nope, I'm just encouraging responsibility. When they drafted in the new laws forbidding the carrying of knives, I hardly ever carried mine as the police had the power to carry out spot checks. Sounds pragmatic enough to me, laddie

People don't need guns or knives to kill. You are not seeing the problem and blaming an inanimate object.

Not pragmatic at all...its reactionary. Police shouldn't be out giving people a hard time for carrying a tool. I can kill someone with my shoelaces. Will those be outlawed soon?

A swiss army knife has many functions, and it would be funny to think of it as a weapon. Pretty much anything we use can become a weapon. You can kill someone with a keyboard's cord, or with air but these aren't the intended uses of either the cord or the air.

Guns were created for one purpose - to kill.

Some people survive off food taken from hunting.

Also bad guys trying to kill you are only going to be stopped with something bigger and stronger. If someone is coming at me with a pipe trying to smash my head in I want a tool I can stop them with before they get close enough to do me harm. First I would avoid the situation at all costs...but sometimes you cannot. The people so against self defense have lived very sheltered lives and I hope never have to learn that lesson the painful or deadly way.

A Swiss Army knife was still an outlawed weapon. I have nothing against self defence either gtd, of course not

An inanimate object? It is for killing lad, wake up.

It IS an inanimate object. It can't kill anyone without human manipulating it. In that regard it is no different than a car or a metal pipe. (barring freaks accident that can happen with any object..hell people have drowned in toilets but those are not contested)

Killing is not always bad. How do you think your meat gets to the table? Do you think the cows, pigs and poultry all live happy lives and die of old age in their sleep then go to the shops? We need to kill for food. Bad guys want to hurt you and maybe even kill you. I can't think of many people who would like to let them if they had a choice. It's not like the movies where you can fight off people intent on killing you often with your bare hands. Sometimes a gun can save innocent lives by the very act of killing.

Yes I wish there was no violence and everything was happy and great...but to ignore reality is foolish. You imagine the Police or societal mores will keep you safe against all evils. Not true.

Yes yes yes, we have meat in Europe so I don't need to be lectured on that. We are talking about people. We don't have a big gun problem in Europe, largely because we don't allow the right to bear arms like America does.

Didn't u read Franek's comments/stats about gun-related crime? Tell me, why would u be scared to go to an American ghetto? I can tell u that I'd fear going into the barrios due to guns. In Europe, I may get a beating or a knife attack but I know how to defend against knife attacks. I can't dodge bullets so easily.

I doubt this seriously. Even professional knife fighting experts will tell you a knife fight is scary and very hard to win. Most Police will tell you they would rather be in a gun fight than a knife fight all things being equal.

Both parties will get cut and usually badly. I really think you have a skewed view of reality based on your having not experienced anything remotely dangerous or life threatening. Not calling you a bad guy or a coward or anything of the sort. I just think you don't have an accurate picture of the issue.

Maybe Seanus is X-SAS?

Most police in America have guns and are trained to shoot in deadly fashion, what a pathetic argument dude. They have superior skills most of the time. Their training includes defending against knife attacks and may favour this kind of fight rather than taking a bullet to the head. They have protective vests too.

I'm well aware that I'd run into difficulties in a knife fight. If sb is flailing a knife at u, anyone may have problems. All I said is that I know how to defend it. That's not to say that I could do it successfully, especially if set upon by an experienced knife wielder. I'd be shafted if there were 4 of them.

Ex-SAS, nah, ex judo, lol

If he was he'd be the first to agree with me ;)

People who fight for a living are the one's who say knives are not something they want to face and that 'defending' against them empty handed is not a good odds proposition. They would much prefer to shoot them from a distance ;)


So much wrong here. First MOST police only shoot once a year in qualification and at paper targets so that does not give them some inherent skill. Many citizens who carry guns attend much more training than the average cop.

You have no idea what you are talking about regarding knife fights. Yeah if the cop has a gun and is 10m away I am sure he would prefer the bad guy have only a knife. Even then it is still scary as that distance can be closed VERY fast. But all things being equal NOBODY wants to be in a knife fight.

Lastly ballistic vests do not defend against knives. They can go right through them. Prison guards wear special vests designed to defeat punctures and blades but not bullets.

You are not informed of what you speak.

Spoken like a true infantryman.

Really? Have you ever been in a real world type force on force fight? Where someone came at you with a marking training knife full speed and you were able to consistently evade it?

I don't believe you. People get cut in knife fights. Even very highly trained people. It is not something a judo class or TV can show you.

Most people who THINK they can fight get a rude awakening when it happens for real. TV and bravado have ruined our minds in this arena.

LOL, Oh schidt. This is the best show on the web. You guys are too much.

Darius, what is a Americunt?? Ha Ha now that really cracked me up. Does that mean that GTD is an American?

Yes I am...if you had been paying attention rather than telling everyone how a black man is going to ruin the USA you would know I am an American living in Poland.

EEEEEK An ugly American living in Poland.So much for American diplomacy.
What happened in America?
Couldn't you make it here?

Haha...yeah you got me pegged. Jesus it is deep in here.