Polish Anti-semitism - origins?

Well, if there are substantiated allegations against him, there should be action taken. It's not a case of leaving the country tho, more boycotting that radio station and censoring him.

Poles didn't protect them?? Eh, Żegota?? Also, helping was punishable by death. When your very survival is at stake, I'm sorry, altruism often goes out the window. Hitler had an absolute vision, no prisoners were to be taken.

Oh, there is still anti-Semitism in Poland, yes. However, as another poster commented elsewhere, the Poles don't think about 'the Jewish issue' often. They'd probably say, 'mi jest obojętny/a'. Or was it obojętne? LOL. Ach aye, nevermind.

The Jews provoke envy and hatred but actually they are "the unhappiest nation in the world ", always victims of "their own and others' ambitions ", and whoever tries to show that they are themselves their own source of tragedy is ranked among the anti-Semites and the object of hatred of the Jews.

I've noticed that too, Crnogorac. The bickering between the Judaists and Zionists is fractious/divisive to say the least. I'd maintain that even relative neutrality has been interpreted as anti-Semitic. You have to be completely sympathetic to their cause/plight.

- Do you mean I am exceptionally stupid? Why? Give pertinent facts. Otherwise, wouldn't you prove yourself to be a moron? (Actually, no further proof seems to be needed in this respect.) Now what do you mean by 'anti-semitism in Poland'? Give specific facts, examples. How about Jewish Polonophobia? Isn't it really horrible and psychopathic? Aren't you yourself part of it?

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- Is there? So what is specifically this alleged 'antisemitism in Poland'? What's worse - this alleged 'Polish antisemitism' or jewish Polonophobia?
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Puzzy is crazy, everybody knows that....


paulasays.com/articles/on_anti-semitism/2007_by_country/anti-semitic_attacks_in_poland_in_2007.html

paulasays.com/articles/on_anti-semitism/2008_anti-semitic_attacks/poland_anti-semitic_attacks_in_2008.html

"The Jews" are individuals, thinking persons too you know, Crnogorac, not some demonic "Zionist-Communist" collective of one mind.

What I have noticed during my not-so-long time in this forum that there is A LOT more anti-Jewish (and anti-other) feeling here than there is actually in Poland. Some people here even only seem to have one cause for existance, spreading the "Jews this Jews that"-talk.

So, I just hope that people who come here to read don't get wrong based picture of Poland.

Well, I live in Poland, Puzzy. I've heard outbursts from numerous sources. Still, it's not the kind of thing you do surveys on. My guess is that the incidence is very low and there is much indifference.

Maybe the alleged Jewish Polonophobia is worse ;) (who knows?)

- Isn't it significant that a german neo-nazi and Polonophobe calling himself 'Brathurst,' or whatever, accuses Poles of 'antisemitism'? Your links have as much factual value as your own neo-nazi and 'expellee' leaflets, creep. As for alleging that I am crazy, that is, stupid, you have to live many more lifetimes to attempt to prove it. Get lost, nazi hypocrite. If I were a jew, I would chase you away as I would a cloud of stink that you are.

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- Heard specifically what?

I'm not gonna write all the vulgarisms but pojebani żydzi should be enough for you to get the picture. That's what I heard.

Please don't ask me for the tape recording, it was off that day ;)

- So saying 'pojebani zydzi' is that most horrible-horrible thing called 'antisemitism in Poland'? Oh boy!!! :) The expression means in English: 'fucking jews.' Why should it be so exceptionally horrible? Have you ever visited Jewish forums, read what they scribble about Poles? How about the aforementioned coren the psychopath calling Poles 'the Polacks'? In The Times!

spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,557204,00.html
NEO-NAZI SCENE IN GERMANY
Extremist Violence the Norm in Parts of the Country
By Stefan Berg, Markus Deggerich and Sven Röbel

Arson attacks and racist assaults by right-wing extremists are part of everyday life in parts of Germany. Authorities are concerned that the country's neo-Nazi scene is becoming increasingly violent.

spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,540550,00.html

Far-Right Attacks Reached New Record in Germany in 2007

Last year a record number of attacks were carried out by right-wing extremists in Germany, a prominent anti-racism campaigner said. The problem is especially bad in eastern Germany.

timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article2295519.ece

Neo-Nazi rampage triggers alarm in Berlin
Locals in a small east German township stood by as a drunken mob of about 50 youths howling neo-Nazi slogans hunted down eight terrified Indian tourists.

Berlin police say 16 arrested during neo-Nazi demonstration
The Associated Press
Published: October 22, 2006

Israeli Ambassador Shimon Stein warned over the weekend that Jews in Germany feel increasingly "unsafe," pointing to the heavy security that surrounds most synagogues or Jewish community centers, according to a newspaper report.

"They are not able to live a normal Jewish life," Stein was quoted as telling the Neue Osnabruecker newspaper in its Saturday edition, calling on Germans to take extra measures to fight the trend of what he called rising anti-Semitism.

Well, I've been called an anti-Semite for arguing against the Israeli attacks. I said nothing as strong as what I heard above. I was merely adopting a balanced view with leanings towards the Palestinian side.

Go and discuss it with yehudi. He'll be furious with you.

It can still be classed as anti-Semitism.

You won't hear me calling Germany "antisemitism free" as other turds I know do about Poland...that is nutty!

We have not only a lively neo-nazi scene but our Left doesn't like the Jews/Israel very much either...today the Jews protested at the annual Holocaust remembrance day and boycotted the whole bruhaha because they felt not enough well treated.

Around the half of the Germans are fed up about them as latest studies show....across all parts of the society!

- Oh boy, what a brownoser you are, bownshirt. Putting down your own country like this? Yeah, of course, you krauts are superior to us Poles in everything - even attitude towards jews.

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Thank you Pussy...how kind of you to admit that!

- You left out part of my sentence - falsified my statement. Edited

So where have you been Puzzler for the past year or so?

Prove it!

Polish Anti-semitism, origins? In history ;)

Puzzler, I've wonder if I should answer you or not, because it seems to me that you could be a troll, and the main rule is "don't feed the trolls". But maybe I'm wrong, so I've post this and will see what happens. It would be great dissapoiment if my concerns will confirm because that thread become quite interesting. So:

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First and simple there was (still is) some anti-semitism in Poland.
Puzzler - And what do you specifically mean in the above statement, what facts? Give them.
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From personal view: persons in my family which just are against Jews but don't know why. In general, wall descriptions, Jewish cementery vandalizm what happens from time to time. But to make you feel better, from my perspective it is vanishing thing, and is nothing like in France for example but from different reasons.

<1. for them Poland is one big cementery, and in some way we are walking on theirs ancestors graves
Puzzler - And what do you specifically mean by that? IS Poland in reality such a cemetery, or ISN'T? In what way are you and others (you refer to you all as 'we') walking 'on theirs ancestors graves' [sic]? Give facts.

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"Poland as a big cementery" - such sentence is called metaphor. The fact is, that almost entire Jewish population was killed on our land, and it is enough of facts to make such metaphor. But if you try read all my previous post you will see that I'm against such view of my homeland, I just understand their (some Jews) position in that matter.

<"they bear a grudge against Poles, I understood because Poles didn't protect them (in general, Jews)
- Is the 'grudge' justified by facts, or not?
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Again if you try read all my post you will see, that I don't agree with that view, but I understand emotional background here.

Thats all, now enough of your questions, answer me the same questions you've make to me. Give me some proper argumentation and discuss in cultural manner. Show me that you are not a troll.

I am new here. After reading most of these posts I have a question: is anyone Jewish here? Besides being Polish of course.

- Well, you too could be a 'troll', or anything else, but I did you the great favour by lowering myself to your level and answering you, in spite of the fact that you are very ignorant and confused.


- Wow, how nicely you are ratting on your family in public. Save me God from having anybody like you in my own family. How would your family members feel if they knew you're scribbling about them like this on an English-language website? Now maybe your family members have a point in having a negative perception of some groups? It's one of the defense mechanisms of a group, e.g. a nation, to have a negative or positive perception of other groups, e.g. nations; the group members pass the perception on each other throughout the group's history. Now, all the Jews I have met had a negative perception of the Poles, sometimes yapping total hate-filled nonsense about us. As you condemn your own family for having a negative perception of Jews, would you also condemn equally strongly the Jewish families for their having a negative, often extremely hostile perception of the Poles? By the way, have you ever heard about the Stalinist period in Poland...?


- Do you mean it doesn't reflect reality, i.e. is purely imaginatory?


- So it is not a pure metaphor after all? Now even if it were true that an 'almost entire Jewish population' were 'killed on our land,' do you mean we did it? If we didn't do it, do you mean that the fact that Poland was allegedly the site of the killing entitles the Jews to hate and besmirch us, Poles?


- You understand 'the emotional background here'? What is the emotional background in question and how do you understand it? Do you mean that you empathise with some lunatics hating and badmouthing innocent people? Please do explain.

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PS. You allege I did not exhibit 'cultural manners' while talking with you. Where, when? Give the facts.

Puzzler I've wrote you could be, now I'm sure you are a troll.
Everyone, pls don't feed him, I'm sorry that I was feeding him. I'm affraid this thread is lost.

"PS. You allege I did not exhibit 'cultural manners' while talking with you. Where, when? Give the facts."
I saw how did you talk with the others, that is enough for me. One cann't be cultural partially.

- Does it mean you are not intelligent enough to reply rationally and in a cultural manner, to my statements and questions, and you start calling me names instead? What do you mean when you say I'm a 'troll'? Do you picture myself as the fantastic creature from Scandinavian folklore? What about not feeding moi? Do you see me in your imagination as a starving troll? Do you have delusions? Are you schizophrenic?

Why are you 'afraid this thread is lost'? What do you mean by that?
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PS. So where can I find your family to tell them how nicely you talk about them on this English-language website visited from people from around the world?


- What in my exchanges with other folks makes it impossible for you to talk with me? Do you mean it's the fact I spoke unpleasantly with some of them? What did I actually do? Give specific examples of those alleged horrors on my part, please. What if I just had to talk harshly with some folks? Do you mean you don't talk with any one who isn't nice to somebody? If yes, well, it seems you must not talk to any one at all, including yourself. But your posts show you've been talking to others. Aren't you a liar?

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I have a question for Puzzler, and please don't take this personally. I am simply curious.

I've never visited Poland, but people I know have gone there to research their family history, and to find any living relatives. It seems, before they started on their searches, that they were told to remove their Star of David jewelry. Why is this? The Poles were victims of WWII as much as Jews. Why would it not be appropriate to wear a Star of David in Poland? They felt intimidated by this - like they were being warned that they would be attacked if they were known to be Jews.

Since you seem to be very outspoken about Jews' "hatred" of Poland, I am asking you (although I welcome input from anyone else).

Also, just to let you know, one of my parents was Jewish and my grandmother's people were Polish Jews.

Jacy, I don't care who you are - as long as you are nice - human - and not full of hate towards me and my Polish countrymen and Poland. The fact that you're Jewish, actually, has, for some reason, some kind of charm for me. I am ready to like and get along with Jews, but I have never met even one Jewish person wishing to reciprocate. I find Jews exceptionally, irrationally, and pathologically prejudiced towards the Poles. Is it some kind of group psychopathy? Now regarding the Star of David question. Who advised those Jews not to wear those stars? Other Jews, surely? I noticed that when a Jewish politician visits Poland, the safety measures are way over the top - the Israeli security running around frantically, wielding their guns, acting towards the Poles like total brutes and lunatics. To me it's all pretending, faking, purposely trying to create the impression that Poland is totally hostile towards the Jews. Fabricating and peddling the false impression for political reasons. The same nonsense takes place with Jewish tourists visiting Poland - frantic security guards, searching the bus for explosives (which Poles allegedly can stick in - oh boy!), etc. bullshit. It's all theatrics, big lie and slander of the Poles. Also, I've heard horror stories about the arrogance and brutality of Jews participating in the so-called March of the Living towards the Polish locals. I really wish we had no diplomatic or any other ties with Israel; I wish no Jews visited us.

Nice sentiment.

So how did you arrive at this?

- Have you read my post?

I have. So you don't care for the Jews?

- What do you mean? Which of my statements - or ideas - do you base your question on?