Ancient Polish History thread

I want to learn Ancient Polish History and all of the Kings, as much as possible. But I don't have time to read a great deal of material. Could anyone start a History Thread which has some kind of order to it? I would be so grateful =)

Perhaps someone could start with the furthest back in time, and try to work forwards from there.
Tall order, I know.

I was talking to someone about Stonehenge. It got me thinking: what is the oldest surviving relic in Poland?
Any standing stones? That sort of thing.

Baptism of Poland

The Baptism of Poland (Polish: Chrzest Polski) was the event in 966 that signified the beginning of the Christianization of Poland, commencing with the baptism of Mieszko I, who was the first ruler of the Polish state.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baptism_of_Poland



Mieszko I

Biskupin is probably the oldest known settlement and still has ruins there mostly of wood, I believe. It dates from before Christ, so it is quite old. It is near Poznan.

Thank you, Grzegorz_; this is wonderful =)

Ancient history of Poles... finaly something realy interesting

I can try to contribute to this trip into past. Can I?

On he first look I noticed this ...


Well, according to genetic foundings, there is possibility that ancestral culture of Stonehenge builders was some ancient culture of central Europe. Which culture that can be question is now?


Source:

Stonehenge 'builders' found

RUSSELL JACKSON

//news.scotsman.com/uk.cfm?id=707072004

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Far from that, that Biskupin represent `oldest known settlement` but, you are on the good way to undertstand meaning of Biskupin if you say that it represent remain (was part) of probably oldest culture of old world (Europe).

More about ...

Biskupin (Poland)

archaeology.about.com/od/bterms/g/biskupin.htm

After Baptism Poland became internationally recognized state. It was created in 10th century - some of western Slavic tribes were united by the strongest of them - Polanie (that's why the name Polska). Duke Mieszko I is the first historically known ruler of Poland. Before him there was probably Siemomysł, Leszek and Siemowit but the last two were probably only rulers of a tribal state. They created dynasty of Piasts. The first capital was Gniezno - now a small town near Poznań. Mieszko I was probably born in 930 and died on 25th May 992. Poland took Christianity from Czechs. Mieszko got married with a Czech princess Dobrawa.

the ancient history of Poland would basically go into ancient slavic history and mythology....

amen!

keep it going

what were they before 966?

scattered tribes? what other tribes existed?

I truley find this amazing, because if it werent for their preseverance and courage
where would we be today?

hold your glass high to them.. Ancestors!

first well known battle ... Germans vs Poles part 1 ;)))

Second phase of the battle

our old borders (by the way simillar to todays)

I dont know exactly about Polish nations, but russian peoples for example, were settled on the present territory approx. at the 7-th cent. and played imortant role in Byzantine politic at 8 cent. But Bulgars even older they settled on Balcans at 5-6 cent and emmideatly orgnized pretty large state, and played huge role not only in this region but in all european's affairs untill Turcic invasion.

LOL :) I see you have mision. You try to prove that Poles are not so acient as Russians :) no way :)

and work on feeling of self-respect ;)

where are Russians ? Poles are noticable in two places (todays Ukraina and Poland)

Russians and Ukranians, are the same nation. They deverse only by dialects


Moreover it's wrong map, Bulgaria never been a Kingdom, it was Tsardom or Empire.


No I hadnt any ideas to present Russians as an eldest brother in Slavic family. Poles and Russians approximetly have one age!

Tsar derives from a Roman name, Caesar.
An Empire can be a monarchy or republic.
These are just titles.
Monarchy = Kingdom
I am posting this from the United Queendom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

ok, lets leave it :)

Yes. Polanie, Mazowszanie, Wiślanie, Pomorzanie, Ślężanie and many smaller tribes.

Some of them created their own states like Wiślanie, who had a quite strong state already in IXth century but later went under infuence of Czechs. At the beginning of Xth century Polanie started expansion and in the middle of the century except their homeland (Poznań area now called Wielkopolska - Greater Poland) controlled also Mazowsze (Warsaw area) and Kujawy (Bydgoszcz area). Before the end of Xth century they united (partly willingly , partly by force) other tribes and controlled area similar to modern day Poland (map in post 12).

In 967 the Polish ruler defeated German Count Wichman and his allies. In 972 at the Battle of Cedynia, Mieszko defeated Hodo of the Eastern March. Mieszko I died in 992. His successor was his son Bolesław Chrobry (Bolesław the brave).

Bolesław I Chrobry



Bolesław I Chrobry was born in 967, died on 17th June 1025.

Boleslaw continued the work of his father. At the Congress of Gniezno (1000) he was able to persuade Emperor Otto III to give his permission to create the first Polish archbishopric. Otto III died two years later.

Frustrated in his efforts to form an equal partnership with the Holy Roman Empire, Boleslaw gained some non-Polish territory in a series of wars against his imperial overlord in 1003 and 1004. Boleslaw I conquered the imperial March of Meissen (Polish Miśnia) and also Lausitz (Latin Lusatia, Polish £użyce). Boleslaw conquered and made himself duke of Bohemia in 1003, but lost the territory the following year. Then turned eastward. He defeated the Rus' and stormed Kyiv in 1018. Shortly before his death in 1025, Boleslaw won international recognition as the first king of a fully sovereign Poland.

yes Chrobry was OK ;)

Let`s investigate


Just for comparision... Sarmatian tribes:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarmatians

NOTE: Have in mind that all first chronicles were written by Greek and Roman authors. So, first written data about Proto Slavs went thru Greek/Latin transcription. Still, we can notice names which are obviously Slavic.

This can be interesting considering that modern science (on the base of old data and newest scientific results) established connection between ancestors of modern Slavic nations (with that Polish too), old Sarmatians, Scythians, ancient Aryans, etc.

See on the same link


Then


Source:
gog & magog
geocities.com/amuse_amenace/gog.htm


Source:
Hutchinson encyclopedia
Slav
encyclopedia.farlex.com/Slavs


Source:
THE INTERPRETATION OF THE WESTERN SLAVONIC INSCRIPTIONS
by Sergei V. Rjabchikov, Krasnodar, RUSSIA
public.kubsu.ru/~usr02898/sl4.htm

THE SCYTHIANS, SARMATIANS, MEOTIANS, RUSSIANS AND CIRCASSIANS: INTERPRETATION OF THE ANCIENT CULTURES
by Sergei V. Rjabchikov
public.kubsu.ru/~usr02898/sl2.htm


Truth

crow, not to poke any fun at any names, but I typed in carbone and it brought up
alot of family resturants and businesses... so the tribes managed to make it to
the united states and start their own businesses :)))

and they been in business since before 966 :))


this is what I question also.. so Poles , Russian, German etc all came from central
Asia?


why the seperation? if they are all same people? why not be one tribe?

my friend gave me a bok on polish history going back to the 900's maybe sooner, i will lookfor it tomorrow and post the info on it, it is good.

dobronoc

ty KD.. that will be interesting to read :) thanks Dobranoc

Let me tell you something

If USA has such a rich history such is Polish or Slavic in general, USA would make even bigger bussines then they make it now.

So, tell me... What`s the problem with Poles/Slavs?

I say, we are capable for big bussines


Da, dobra noć

ili isto to na drugi naèin (or to say it on other way) ... laku noć (which is more usual)

Crow, you're going to be proud of this map... Aye, the file is too big..

Another try:

• 
  polish_slavs1.jpg
  

Here is the link:
The map is in the middle of the page...

ancientweb.org/Poland/index.htm

P.S. How do you post the big maps?

agree


this is another thread topic :) but what are the most sucessful in poland ?

Tesco, Biedronka...(sorry, just being sarcastic)

Of, course. Then, what`s the problem with us?


Why? Any thread is good for bussines, as any other place. Everything is about bussines, all is economy...

Go ask Greeks, Italians, USA Cowboys (many others) ... they make good bussines of history. Even if that history isn`t always their own history but, they managed to sell even fog. Some others can`t sell even truth


I have an idea but, I`m not sure. I am from Serbia. You tell me

Why would somebody invest his money in Poland?

I think they do better as business people (restaurant owners) in US than in their own country...They should take care of the stray cats and dogs running on the streets of Athens and other tourist places before considering themselves a fully civilized nation and a member of EU. The Acropolis times are over.

Polish history in 10 minutes time