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z_darius   
27 Feb 2010
History / Adam Mickiewicz. What is his motherland: Poland or Lithuania? [93]

You don't have one bit of idea what you are talking about, do you?

Have you read his works? Which parts would you like to quote as so bad? Go ahead, give us some examples. Or are you relying on UPA anti-Polish propaganda in your illustrious literary criticism?
z_darius   
27 Feb 2010
UK, Ireland / Britain... What the Poles did for us. [444]

After 21 years of invading, betraying, bullying and oppressing her neighbours, Poland found out that karma is a b!tch.

Wow! Harry! You have become a religious Brit!
But then, it seems to be a British trend.

Speaking of betraying, bullying and oppressing, yeah, karma is very much in action indeed:
...
z_darius   
26 Feb 2010
UK, Ireland / Britain... What the Poles did for us. [444]

I've seen weirder hobbies so you go ahead and do what rocks your boat.

The fact remains - GB was not alone during WW2 for even one minute.
z_darius   
26 Feb 2010
UK, Ireland / Britain... What the Poles did for us. [444]

Britian stood alone against the Nazi war machine period....

Not even for one minute of WW2.

Before Britain even declared war on Germany the country had at its disposal 3 Polish destroyers. All 3 served under the command of the British for the remainder of the war. And that covers only the zero hour of Britain participation in WW2. As time went by the British enjoyed an increasing number of foreign troops and aid from from quite a few countries.
z_darius   
26 Feb 2010
UK, Ireland / Britain... What the Poles did for us. [444]

Bletchley Park were deciphering the messages by sheer intellect for a long long time, without any pre-war mathematical codes from Eastern Europe.

Former Bletchley Park mathematician-cryptologist Gordon Welchman has written: "Ultra would never have gotten off the ground if we had not learned from the Poles, in the nick of time, the details both of the German military... Enigma machine, and of the operating procedures that were in use." Gordon Welchman, The Hut Six Story, 1st ed., 1982, p. 289.
z_darius   
24 Feb 2010
News / Poland's Vietnamese: A tough transition but they're surviving [31]

Speaking as a Canadian, I can tell you that 1) cultural diversity is an invariably positive force in any society

This sounds like a fragment of a speech from an ethnic festival. The fact is that cultural diversity has its ugly sides too and it is not so "invariably" positive.

2) Asian cultures are *extremely* disciplined and value strong work ethics above all else.

Yes, they are disciplined by their governments on a fairly regular basis as soon as they don't fall in line. The phenomenon is also known as "human rights abuses".

Other than that, some are hardworking, some aren't at all. Based on direct experience I can say that Asians (including Vietnamese) are perfectly capable of abusing the system like a national of any other country.

I think it's too late for Poles to claim some monopoly on suffering. Another nation has already established a monopoly in this business.
z_darius   
23 Feb 2010
News / Should Poland Remove Visa Restrictions? [285]

But no, they have to go to UK, Canada or US in this mystical belief that money grows on trees.

On trees? That would be too hard. Money is created in the US out of nothing. Haven't you heard about the Federal Reserve?
z_darius   
22 Feb 2010
History / Adam Mickiewicz. What is his motherland: Poland or Lithuania? [93]

tell me :-)

I found wikipedia to be explaining things pretty well:

The controversy over Mickiewicz's ethnic background largely stems from the fact that in the 19th century the modern concept of nationality based on ethnicity had not yet been fully developed and the term "Lithuania," as used by Mickiewicz himself, had a much broader geographic meaning than it does now. Mickiewicz had been brought up in the culture of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, a multicultural state that had encompassed most of what today are the separate countries of Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Belarus and Ukraine.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mickiewicz
z_darius   
22 Feb 2010
History / Adam Mickiewicz. What is his motherland: Poland or Lithuania? [93]

Is that why he called Lithuania his motherland?

As Torq pointed out, it was a fatherland.
In Polish the word (ojczyzna) did not necessarily mean a country a political entity and the meaning can be as narrow as a region one comes from or even a family farm.

A century or so ago Stefan Zeromski could have said that Malopolska was his "oczyzna" (fatherland). Malopolska was never a separate country, or a nation.

That meaning is obsolete today and now so in today's Polish, in the narrow sense, the word "ojcowizna" (heirdom) would seem more appropriate.
z_darius   
22 Feb 2010
News / The creator of The First Polish Computer Died [6]

He might have been a pioneer but having no influence outside the communist block wouldn't have made him prominent.

Maybe it wouldn't have but it did:

List of prominent pioneers in computer
(Nationmaster website is not owned or run by Poles)

Check out wikipedia on the same topic.
z_darius   
22 Feb 2010
Language / 'MOZNA' - When is this used? [27]

his is not in fact a Polish word. It is, in fact, a Russian word, which has been incorporated into the Polish Language. In fact, the Poles have taken many Russian words over the generations. In Polish it is used just the same as in the original Russian Language and means, may I? Can I ? ect.

As usual you are full of crap.

The word "mozna" comes from a Proto Indoeuropean root mog- (to be able to). Hence we have words such as:

English - might
German - mögen
Polish - móc (mogę, można)
Icelandic (also Old Norse dialects) - mega
z_darius   
22 Feb 2010
History / WAS KATYŃ GENOCIDE? Polish officers were killed [237]

If so, you might want to check your sources. It seems that the site you linked to lifted the wikipedia article and added sentences like that.

Actually, this IS from wikipedia. I read this passage numerous times (referring to the 3rd conference). Now the article does not have the passage. Wonder why.

Hitler had ordered his troops to: "Kill without mercy every man, woman, and child of Polish extraction." So, unless Adolph had the notion the notion that the Polish Army was full of women and children, he had to be referring to the deliberate genocide of Polish civilians.

Soviets were co-operating with Germans before the war broke out. Would you suggest the Soviets dii their best to stop Hitler from the genocide of Poles and jeopardize the cozy relation they thought they had with the Nazis?

Any totalitarian government attempting to get a nation under its control will always start with the leaders of that nation - the intelligentsia and the military.
z_darius   
22 Feb 2010
Work / Why Poland employers are afraid of hiring any foreign nationals? [171]

That she was English, and that she was a published writer means little. Just as an an example of an atrocious female writer pleas refer to Aphra Behn whose style and language can be summed up with Conrad's own words - the horror, the horror

A little less, but you're on the right track. Not that that affects anything. By the same logic you could talk about the quantity of Polish words that are of Russian origin.

Hence your mentioning the number of words in a given language has no bearing on how hard or easy it is to learn. Out of hundreds of thousands ow words in an average IE language and average, educated person will be familiar with 20 to 50,000 of those - a relatively small percentage.

Some of us can.

Some can indeed. I would not be daring enough to say some of "us", and sufficiently informed that to include you in the exclusion.

Rude again. You always do that when you're losing an argument, usually with Harry.

Harry doesn't offer arguments. He offers hatred and keeps repeating the same crap all, day in, day out.

Some would call it a cultural stereotype about Poles, however I understand you're in fact Canadian.

How can you tell a difference?

And shepherds. God alone knows why. Go back through the thread - really. No shepherds or Polish folklore, whatever that means.

That's what your wrote in this post. Of course you lack the integrity to keep it honest and clean. So much for rudeness, huh?

And who'd be better teaching Polish, a goralski shepherd or Norman Davies?

Preferable to who? Perhaps to a linguist. Surely not to your average student. When I taught in the US I was asked to shed my British (RP) "accent" and switch to something more American. Mainstream language schools are not linguistics study centers.

This however is very very rare. They are few and far between and never quite authentic.

I don't know the statistics. I concentrated on the possibility and the possibility exists. In fact native Poles, who are better teachers of Polish than some of their British counterparts, do exists too.

Conrad didnt even have a Polish accent :D As a result, he developed a southern French accent which would later strongly color his English

You had to do a lot of googling and it took eventually made you go to Jamaica to fell alright :-). At least you have a sense of humor.

Some of his closest associated even thought Conrad's accent was Asian. That of course stemmed from their own linguistic ignorance.

Conrad's linguistic background has been often commented on in literature. This is a sample from

"...A detailed analysis of Conrad's style indicates that some of his more noticeable non-native-sounding syntactic choices reflect the semantics inherent in the morphology of Polish aspect. Readers have often noted Conrad's unusual choice and placement of adverbs, particularly those indicating frequency and duration. Morzinski attempts to show that Conrad was attempting to express the features of Polish aspect by pressing the equivalent adverbial lexical items into his sentences, causing an otherwise native-like fluency to take on the non-native characteristic recognized as foreign flavor in his style." (Mary Morzinski. The Linguistic Influence of Polish on Joseph Conrad's Style.)
z_darius   
21 Feb 2010
Work / Why Poland employers are afraid of hiring any foreign nationals? [171]

Gradually actually, over several posts, when you realised you were not only wrong but indefensibly so.

My post stating the fact was at 7.49. Your first post in this thread was 8 hours and 29 minutes later. You need put away whatever it is you're on.

The English language is highly nuanced

No shhit. And which language isn't?

and with a vocabulary double that of French.

Sure. And up to 70% of those words in English are of Latin origin and Entered English via French.

A non-native can never understand evry subtlety.

Nobody can understand ever subtlety. Some exceptions may be old, old fellas who spent their whole lives doing nothing but studying subtleties of their own language. A lot of native speakers in any language won't notice linguistic subtleties when the subtleties hit them in their azsses. And we don't have to look far for the examples. Just read your posts. But... on the seond thought you wouldn't get it anyway.

A shepherd? What shepherd? Read the post.

You are on drugs, puppy. Indeed, read the posts. Start with the first oe where you expressed your interest in Polish folklore.

A leading question, since my premise was right - that ability is more important than accent.

That wasn't YOUR premise. It is a well know fact. Known a lot longer before you decided to join this thread.

You mean the Pole/Ukranain (lets get it right)

He was born a Pole. You are are a little lost in the history of Ukraine, aren't you?

Lets face it he was more British than Polish :D

I'm not sure how you could quantify that. The important fact is the man didn't speak the language until he was in his twenties. English was his 3rd language. And when he eventually did speak it, he spoke with a Polish accent, not Ukrainians. Do all British people speak with a Polish accent?

You are surmising that every person living in one particular area will speak exactly the same...

That's an incorrect conclusion that you have reached there. I never said such thing. The point is that some Brits speak such poor English that the last thing they should do is teach English.

As another poster mentioned here, when we talk about teaching English, the stress is on "teaching". Some Poles (and other non-native speakers of English) will do the job better than some native speakers of the language.
z_darius   
20 Feb 2010
Work / Why Poland employers are afraid of hiring any foreign nationals? [171]

TIT, I still think some Poles can be and are better teachers of English than some Brits, but after a couple of years of bouncing around these forums I would have more than enough confidence to recommend Seanus over most Polish teachers of English. The man appears highly competent as a teacher, and he also speaks Polish, which is an added advantage when teaching to that linguistic group.

OK, I got some leftover walnut scraps from a coffee table I made so I'll take a break from this thread and I'll make a step stool, or something.
z_darius   
20 Feb 2010
Work / Why Poland employers are afraid of hiring any foreign nationals? [171]

Strange you think that. Most people wouldn't.

I know. Most people would go to see The Avatar.

I'm glad you've conceded, and accepted what I was saying.

I may have, and I managed to do so without showing any change in my opinion :)

Being a native certainly gives a pretty good headstart.

That it does. But that is not all it takes.

Which I offered as an example to back up my assessment. Checkmate.

So you have no idea about chess either? :)
You asked me who I would pic as a teacher, a Podhale shepherd or Davies. I opted for Davies, not even knowing he did teach Polish. How is all that your assessment, but not mine?
z_darius   
20 Feb 2010
Work / Why Poland employers are afraid of hiring any foreign nationals? [171]

Of course! But only one of those was a published female writer who was married to him. And corrected his English.

You need to read more on Conrad. He had some guidance indeed, but it was a guy. Keep on looking. Hint" later in their live's they did not like each other all that much.

"Not all natives" and "some Poles". is a whole different thing.

It's not a different thing. On a few occassions I stressed the word "some". Read a few posts back. Of course by linking to a you tube flick I pointed out how SOME Brits talk. Those clips did not contain speech samples of ALL Brits in the areas in question.

How many punks do you think work as teachers?

Irrelevant to my argument in which I reject the idea that being a native speaker automatically makes you a better material for a TEF than ever single Pole.

Actually my assessment, but don't let facts get in the way of truth.

You didn't present an assessment. I did. You offered what I accept as a fact I was unaware of.
z_darius   
20 Feb 2010
Life / Polish culture do's and dont's? [106]

Ah, yes! When you set a 30 minute task and before you turn around they've all shown each other the answers and say "We have finished!"

This points to one of the tasks expected of teachers - supervision of students. You don't turn around during a test. Period. It's not like Polish students have an innate tendency to cheat on tests while all others around the world don't. All university calendars published by schools I attended in the US and Canada had a chapter on cheating. Because it is nonexistent?

I taught EFL years ago. In Poland when I was 19 and then, a few years later, in the US. Most of my students were Poles, a few Latinos and Asians. I caught one (Asian) on an attempt and I gave him two options. Quit the course or come for a retest. The owner of the school (American fella) gave me crap for it. After all those students were paying customers and he didn't care about the rest.
z_darius   
20 Feb 2010
Work / Why Poland employers are afraid of hiring any foreign nationals? [171]

Despite Jessie's voice being heard across his prose style...

That voice is accompanied by the voices of countless others Conrad came across in his life. That is called life's experience. Using this argument one might turn around and say that a lot of vices Poles are accused of (justly or not) are a foreign influence, mostly American. After all, most watched American movies, many met Americans. How ironic that Anglo types will point out how Poles benefit from the good foreign influence, but ring the alarm bell when the subject turns into the not so good things in Poland. Suddenly most foreigners wash their hands are are overwhelmed by their saintly halos.

As for Conrad, ultimately it was Conrad's style and prose we admire, not Jessie's. And, to be fair with the other example, Polish thieves are not Americanized Poles but simply Polish thieves.

. Look at the area. How many people live there? How many have strong local accents? How many are educated?

You're not reading me?
I'll try to spell it out in plain English.
Not all native speakers of English will be better teachers of English. Some Poles teaching English will be better at it. I'm not sure how this is a generalization.

There are plenty of people from the Black Country teaching EFL, though I've never heard (yet) that Zbigniew Brzezinski's been giving lessons.

That's a desperate comment. The issue is not whether Brzezinski did or would teach, but whether he would be more suitable for the job than a native British punk with the vocabulary resources amounting to 5 words, 3 of them in deeply localized slang.

Depends on their pedagogical skills - their ability to teach a language. Since you've cited Brzezinski as an example, perhaps you can illuminate us on the matter of his teaching skills as an EFL teacher.

For one, he had to learn English so he is aware of the issues faced by Poles trying to do the same.

He used to teach A Level Polish, to ethnic Poles in London.

My assessment was correct then.
z_darius   
20 Feb 2010
Work / Why Poland employers are afraid of hiring any foreign nationals? [171]

Dariusz, what does Conrad have to do with Polish employers being afraid to hire foreigners? Please make use of the PM facility.

No idea.
I am responding to the posts by others. I feel honored though that you asked me.

Fair enough though so back to the topic.
I am not a Polish employer in Poland so I can only speculate about the answer to the question why the (most?) don't. It's the language. We may argue whether Polish is the 5th hardest to learn, or the 100th hardest. The fact remains it is not an easy language for most foreigners. The difference is that you could speak crappy English but still be able to put your point across. That would be much harder in Polish.

I wrote a while ago about my first attempt to pass a driver's license test in New Jersey. I spoke decent English but while I could divulge on the Puritan elements in the Jass Age in the US, I had no idea about driving tests in English. I selected a Polish version of the test. I failed. I understood the words but I had no clue what they were asking. The next day I took an English version and I passed 19/20.

I cannot fathom how anyone could hold a position of substance (fruit picking, as an example, is not a position of substance) without being able to communicate.
z_darius   
20 Feb 2010
Work / Why Poland employers are afraid of hiring any foreign nationals? [171]

You are confusing prose style with literary themes.

Both of which are Conrad's.

A much bigger generalisation to say they don't

Both are generalizations and both would be wrong.

What makes you think that either the Brummie speaker in your youtube clip of a dialect example or Zbigniew Brzezinski are a)

It's irrelevant what they want to do. The question is would Brummie be regarded a better choice for a TEFL than Brzezinski. I'd vote for the latter.

And who'd be better teaching Polish, a goralski shepherd or Norman Davies?

A simple answer is impossible.
How old would that shepherd be?
What kind of contact with "literary Polish" has he had?
What is his educational background?
Did that background made him aware of linguistic issues faced by the foreigners he might be teaching?

In general I'd feel safer with Davies. His Polish sounds impressive.

In many instances native Poles don't come even close to understanding what some Gorale (the Podhale sheherds) say.
z_darius   
20 Feb 2010
Work / Why Poland employers are afraid of hiring any foreign nationals? [171]

Conrad no doubt spoke beautiful English.

Actually he didn't. His spoken English was terrible.

I speak excellent Polish, but when I write something (not in the league of Conrad or Murdoch) I make damn sure it's edited for both content and style.

How would you suggest it would be possible for the English native speakers to edit Conrad's works so that they were capable of bringing "a distinctly non-English tragic sensibility into English literature"? I also rarely see much about Conrad's widfe influence of other authors, which Conrad's is indisputable.

Now, watch this clip and try to tell my that the sweeping generalization of "native speakers of English speak better English" is true.

Do you think the above would be more qualified to teach English than the people below:




z_darius   
20 Feb 2010
Work / Why Poland employers are afraid of hiring any foreign nationals? [171]

Check (or "check out") Joseph Conrad - A Psychoanalytic Biography: By Bernard C. Meyer, Princeton University Press.

We would first have to resolve the issue of whether psychoanalysis is science or "the most stupendous intellectual confidence trick of the twentieth century", as suggested by this author.

Dickens came from pretty near the East End.

So we're closer to agreeing that, as much as some East Enders are capable of speaking proper English, so are some Poles.
z_darius   
20 Feb 2010
Work / Why Poland employers are afraid of hiring any foreign nationals? [171]

Conrad was very heavily edited, and many many passages in his works are suspiciously similar to his wife Jessie's prose style.

Try to edit, even heavily, some prose produced by East Enders and see what kind of impact on English literature they would have.

The ideas, themes and plots were certainly hism but behind most great men there is usually a great (and uncredited) woman.

I didn't realize she had the same experience as he did, the travels and that she was the one responsible for "a distinctly non-English tragic sensibility into English literature". So now we know the English speak better Polish than Poles :)

Then he's a native speaker of English rather than Polish.

He is a native Pole nevertheless.
z_darius   
20 Feb 2010
Work / Why Poland employers are afraid of hiring any foreign nationals? [171]

It would be like a non Spanish person saying they can teach Spanish better than a Spanish person...Hence the reason I laughed

Bravo! You made an intellectual effort! It would be also similar to a non Albanian, non Swede etc. I'm proud of you. You are capable of drawing parallels.

it was also an arrogant statement to say a non native is better than a native..

I never said that. I said it can happen and I offered well known illustrations that it could. If you're a Brit then I'm sure you have been traught about the marvelous literature in the English language authored by a Pole.

There are plenty more native Poles who who speak better English than some of the so called native speakers of English. I know one personally. He came to Canada with his parents when he was 8 months old. Barely speaks Polish though.

You lot have spent a few years in the EU

Me? I never lived in EU.