Of course I am but they're not here to settle down and live in England it's a means to an end - most are young and have no intention of staying - tax and benefits? they're working and not claiming - I would say Polish people are a little prouder than a lot of English and would rather work those extra hours rather than que for a hand-out
Of course I am but they're not here to settle down and live in England it's a means to an end - most are young and have no intention of staying
It would be better if they did stay.If they work here for 5 years on a low wage and receive tax credits then they will return to Poland with money but having contributed nothing to the UK.Do you know about tax credits? It means someone (single parent) on minimum wage with 2 children earns £10000 per year,pays £2000 tax but gets back £6000 per year in tax credit payments.Plus free education for 5 years-how is that helping the UK?
Yes Polish people are harder workers and prouder than the English chavs.
i know a little about tax credits, but the point I'm making is that many polish people coming over are not coming laden with kids - they're young and not in a position to claim tax credits - free education? tax, council tax etc. nothing is free in this country - okay let me ask you this - how many polish people do you know that want to settle down in the UK - how many Polish people do you know what come with small children - because I dont know any
how many polish people do you know that want to settle down in the UK - how many Polish people do you know what come with small children - because I dont know any
Actually,I know many with children.If they actually settle here it would be a good thing.
It means someone (single parent) on minimum wage with 2 children earns £10000 per year,pays £2000 tax but gets back £6000 per year in tax credit payments.Plus free education for 5 years-how is that helping the UK?
If someone comes to the UK with his children I honestly don't think that he is planing to come back to Poland.
.If they work here for 5 years on a low wage and receive tax credits then they will return to Poland with money but having contributed nothing to the UK
First of all, their contribution to the UK is the fruit of their labour; for example a house build by polish workers, a persone cured by a polish doctor or a happy customer served by a polish clerk. Polish imigrants are not being paid for doing nothing you know.
Secondly, it's not that they return with all the money the have earned during their stay in your country. They have to buy food, clothes, pay for rented houses, public transport, for doing their loundry, etc...
Oh, and I've almost forgot about the group of people in UK, that derive the most adventage from the influx of cheap polish labour, mainly the employers.
Oh, and I've almost forgot about the group of people in UK, that derive the most adventage from the influx of cheap polish labour, mainly the employers.
The employers seem to be the people benefitting most from the influx of Polish labour.The problem now is that some companies are recruiting new workers directly from Poland and not offering the jobs to local British people.This is understandable (the Polish work harder) but it is not good for some locals.
Secondly, it's not that they return with all the money the have earned during their stay in your country. They have to buy food, clothes, pay for rented houses, public transport, for doing their loundry, etc...
I was referring just about those workers getting tax credits.Much of the money they spend will actually be money they get from the UK taxpayers.
The employers seem to be the people benefitting most from the influx of Polish labour.The problem now is that some companies are recruiting new workers directly from Poland and not offering the jobs to local British people.This is understandable (the Polish work harder) but it is not good for some locals
I rememeber like tesco was opening big warehouse in Peterborough they put advert in local paper but but didn't get enough applicants so they started looking for people in Poland.
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I was referring just about those workers getting tax credits.Much of the money they spend will actually be money they get from the UK taxpayers.
yes but it is your law problem why - not change it that only people with british passport are entitled to it or people from EU but after certain time of staying here ( like 3-5 years)
yes but it is your law problem why - not change it that only people with british passport are entitled to it or people from EU but after certain time of staying here ( like 3-5 years)
Yes,I agree it is a problem with the rules/law.Most problems in the UK could be corrected by changing the rules.The biggest problem is our own British people who have never worked but get taxpayers money forever.
Shelley No not many most i know say they intend to stay 5 years save bout 25k between them ie couples then go back Poland and buy house.Not bad they will all be property owners sooner than most brits it makes you wonder sometimes who is better off.However i know of some couples who have had babies while over here and when asked what nationality they want baby on documents the 3 choices Polish, British Polish or British they have gone for just British so that can make you wonder there intentions.
maybe because that it's the place of birth - who knows - dont think there are any divant ideas behind it - maybe people think that'll give a child better options - I dont honestly know - I have friends with dual nationalities and to be honest they consider themselves English - I would imagine the Polish children born here will consider themselves Polish...whatever their passport says.
As for the amount of money they take back, good on them if they are prepared to save then go home what's the problem, my uncle spent years out in the middle east earning an abosulte fortune and he and his family live a very nice life thanks to his working away....you seem to forget that teh English having been reeping the benefits of working abroad for years....I love my family and as a female I wouldnt want to be a great distance from them so I dont blame Polish women wanting to go back to the place of their birth with their children to enjoy the fruits of their labour.
HHHhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmm.....of course it happens......to locals and non-locals, worse to some than others, but there are minimum wage laws, plus if you sign a contract then you have a degree of protection in law.
Yes, do join a union if you can, its essential really......a type of insurance lets say!
Which two groups of workers are the most heavily unionised in the UK?
Doctors and airline pilots......100% in a union, both earning wages at the top end of £80-100,000...ask yourselves why!!!!
You will only be exploited if you allow yourself to be exploited, ask some questions, go on recommendations.....be suspicious!
It only takes 5% of employers to be less than scrupulous and everyone has a bad name!
So how do you all feel fellow british people that your tax money is being given to immigrant parents working in UK they can claim benefit for children living in their home EU country.Well documented that 50,000 Poles have slapped in claims are you all happy bout this?
So how do you all feel fellow british people that your tax money is being given to immigrant parents working in UK they can claim benefit for children living in their home EU country.Well documented that 50,000 Poles have slapped in claims are you all happy bout this?
Firstly it it British law if it is some people take advantage of it.Whose fault is it?Your government decided that every UE citizen who has childern can claim it. Even if children don't live here.Whom do you blame?
Secondly - what is the purpose of tax credit- as I understands it is to help for parents so they can afford child care and go to work. What if grandparents look after child ?Money is not used as it purpose was.
Its now the law in Ireland too, parents whose children are back home in an EU country can claim an allowance for child care, which is quite substantial compared to wages in Poland.
I have just started a new job, were many Polish people work, I am utterly amazed by the Polish workers ... I feel like telling them this but feel to shy.... I have SUCH admiration for you all, you are such hard working people, and even tho you are sooo over worked you still have time to be friendly and kind to other workers!!!! You are an asset to this country (UK) and I look forward to working with more Polish people in the future!!! Also I want to investigate at my work how well they are being paid in comprasion to us, since most of the time you are working probally harder than the uk people!!:) Keeep it up and god bless you x
I agree! My fiance just returned from a job in Sweden doing construction work. Him and three other guys were working 7 days a week for 12 hours a day. He says I was the only thing that kept him going.
I have just started a new job, were many Polish people work, I am utterly amazed by the Polish workers ... I feel like telling them this but feel to shy.... I have SUCH admiration for you all, you are such hard working people, and even tho you are sooo over worked you still have time to be friendly and kind to other workers!!!! You are an asset to this country (UK) and I look forward to working with more Polish people in the future!!! Also I want to investigate at my work how well they are being paid in comprasion to us, since most of the time you are working probally harder than the uk people!! Keeep it up and god
thanks for your very nice words somali girl. we are told quite often that we work harder than the english guys.well it depends.the english guys have a different attitude towords their work than we have but i understand them.here an unemployment rate have been very low for ages so they don't have to RESPECT every jobs even poorly paid like we have learnt to do.we came from the country where an unemployment rate used to be over 20% and work used to be something like a treasure.in this case they are right cos jobs should be for US not we for JOBS.most of the polish guys have not families here so to kill the boredom they agree to work overtime(as me and my girlfriend do) on saturdays or sundays.most of the english guys go and see their friends/families.some of my polish friends who want to stay here forever work exactly as the english guys do.another reason is that a lot of polish people do not speak english and they are scared that they would be sacked if they worked worse than the english guys.the reasons vary but i would not blame the english guys that they refuse to work harder than it is required
In America if you work over 8 hours a day or over 40 hours a week you get paid overtime. Because so many workers belong to a Union, the union protects their rights. But, illegal aliens who come to America are used to their maximum potential , because they do a good job, work harder and can pay them less and don't have to file income taxes on them.
At $5.00/hr it's hard to make a living in the US, but to an illegal alien it's a lot of money.
Because so many workers belong to a Union, the union protects their rights
Good point, thanks to the unions kids under 14 are still not working long hours in coal mines etc,, we can now enjoy award wages and conditions, 4 weeks annual leave, long service leave, double pay for work in the week end, and triple time for public holidays.
Rafik, thanx for the reply..... aaww you polish people are soo modest and understanding (good quailities).... about the bordom thing, my heart goes out to the Polish people where I work, since they must get sooo home sick, but on the other hand they have each other for company (only good if you get on well socially with your fellow workers)..... anyways once I've worked at my new job for longer I'm gonna see if the Company will help fund fornightly trips out of the grounds, I wondered if the polish at my work get much of a chance to get out n about and see the local scenery, and sample local pubs ect..... hopefully I'll manage to get this happening..... because in my opinion it would be good for everyone and make people more happy in their jobs :) neways take care -
Yes its a shame some Polish people dont get out and about i work with many but getting them out and bout can be quite hard work.They seem to enjoy having there own house partys with there fellow housemates but i suppose they are saving there money hard while paying bills food etc and going out now days is quite costly.Although my home town has now got a Polish nite on once a week at a town nightclub so that should get them out and about.I even work with some who have been here 1 year yet not been London yet
Yes its a shame some Polish people dont get out and about i work with many but getting them out and bout can be quite hard work.They seem to enjoy having there own house partys with there fellow housemates but i suppose they are saving there money hard while paying bills food etc and going out now days is quite costly.
I think it is difference in our cultures- I don't think that polish go out as much as british. We do but less often I suppose.
I was reading somewhere -I don't know how they count it- that British eat more out than at home.( I suppose these included take aways).
I don;t know about bars, pubs- I Krakow they are always busy but in smaller towns ?
I think it is difference in our cultures- I don't think that polish go out as much as british. We do but less often I suppose.
yes i agree.i prefer to stay at home with a pack of friends.don't get me wrong i do go out but not too often.i don't like noisy pubs i prefer restaurants(good food ect). i also like cooking at home.one more very important factor is most of poles were taught to save money for bad times(insecure jobs,bad situation in poland especially during communist time ect).a lot of old people buy/built their graves when still healthy and alive.what for? to make sure that if something unexpected happens their families have no money,they will have their place to rest.this is what the communist times did to us(especially to old people).but i can see that the younger generation is changing very quickly and they are a bit less stressed than us
will you lay off the polish,they work there ass off for very little.If more brits pulled there finger out of there ass.maybe we would not have lots of people moving here for jobs.the last time we had poles etc arrive they died along side us to stop the german march.if the want to come here and work,let them.you must have very little knowlege of the job market to spend lots of your time talking here.get off your ass and work,pay tax and earn the right to moan.18% of the people in a town in somerset are polish,before they came the town was diying.it was a dump.its doing well now ant the towns folk love haveing all these new people in their community.
WOW! some post! It's true Polish people work their arse off, but not in poland. Now, not all of them. Don't get me wrong here. Not all of them!!! When I lived in poland, we had some workers help remodel our house. Half the time they were sitting and drinking under a tree when they thought nobody was watching. So then my mom picked up the shovel and started digging. You should have seen how fast they got up and started to work!
If you take the time to read postings on this site, you will see that the English people that come to the forum have a very positive view of Polish people.
