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Are the Poles in England hated?


miranda  
18 Apr 2008 /  #181
How is a minority 'non-visual?

I think I bit myslef in the ass here. There are minorities that are white eg. eastern european immigrants or any other group which is white but not born in the country, therefore it is a minority do to the number of heads it represents.

Those terms were mainly created during the hiring practices by the Canadian government but have become a part of an every day language, at least amongst some groups.
espana  17 | 947  
19 Apr 2008 /  #182
McClaren (F1)

mclaren sh**,

such as Renault

the best
peterweg  37 | 2305  
21 Apr 2008 /  #183
Hehe, Whatever you say. If Renault even get on the Podium this year it will be a fluke, the only way they will win a race is if they are the only team racing. Piquet and would probably fail to finish. BTW, don't forget the topic - Renault F1 team is British
espana  17 | 947  
22 Apr 2008 /  #184
Renault F1 team is British

this is for you ......dont cry!!!!!! your pet "H" and mclaren are lossing the 6 seconds that alonso give last year .......ha ! ha ! ha!

uk.youtube.com/watch?v=XRXwWbo_mX0


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lukasvanek  - | 2  
22 Apr 2008 /  #185
Hi!
I am not sure i can speak on behalf of British or Polish - I am Czech. I have been working in the UK since 2003, most of the time during my holidays at uni in CZ. Now I study and in Huddersfield.

During this time i have had the opportunity to experience the whole process of Polish and other Eastern European started to come over.
I have to say that i saw some cases of British being rude or nasty to Polish guys. Also some of them haven't always been very fair to others - Slovak and Czech.

However I have to say that in general British are one of the most cosmopolitan nation I have had the chance to experience (after CZ, SR, PL, Austrian, Germans, French or Portuguese). Even I can openly say I don't like British (perhaps I'm here for too long already :) ) I have to admit I don't know another such country where immigrants and migrants workers would be accepted, tolerated and perhaps even respected so much.

The worse change in attitude to Polish (and at that time, even nowadays Biritish hearing eastern accent didn't do any difference in nationalities - quite few of them don't know where CZ is - except it is between Germany and Russia, but it also could be in central Asia, so being Czech was same like being Polish)- so the worse change in attitude was probably in 2005/2006.

I can remember coming by bus to London Victoria in June 2006. There could be one bus from CZ, perhaps one from Slovakia and about 13 from Poland. It should be understood that inflow of people who have different values and way of behaviour had to lead in some kind of change in the public mood.

Still except some cheatty coments which are common part of humor of lower working class in the UK (no social offence) not only on behalf of foreigners but on behalf of their own people and issues, I can say the immigrants are still treated very fairly.

There were some incidents - even here in Huddersfield - on Polish student was killed (my deepest symphathy to his family) but in general context where people get missing and being killed here, I can say it was unfortunate case and result of dangerous society he was in contact in. It was also speculated that he owned some money to guys related to drugs.

On the other hand, there are several Polish citizens in custody or prisons around Britain, some CZ guys were sentenced for killing their UK employer few years ago and still I can not see any cases of "pogroma" or "Aussiedlung"(German expression for dramatic expultion of mostly Germans from CZ state after WWII).

So to be honest. There is loads of people in the world. So much that not all of them have a job even in their own country. It is hardly possible to expect that there is country in the world where everyone loves migrant workers who make 2% of national population within 4 years. Still if you come to the UK govermental offices without knowledge of english you will be provided with such help and support immigrants in CZ or PL can't even dream of.

People keep their prejudices and distance (British do it to each other as well, this country is pretty two-faced) however in 95% you will be treated quite fairly.

Czest! Lukas

By the way I'm writing my disertation on "Migration of Labour PL - UK" so if you guys (Polish only - sorry there is not many workers going to work to Poland...) had spare 5 minutes I would be grateful for your help!

Mam na imie Lukas Vanek i jestem studentem trzeciego roku BA European Bussiness na Uniwersytecie w Huddersfield. Obecnie jestem w trakcie pisania koncowej pracy zaliczeniowej i ta ankieta stanowi jej glowna czesc, ktora pomoze mi w zebraniu informacji na temat podejmowania decyzji o migracji i jej ekonomicznych uwarunkowaniach.

Ankieta ta jest anonimowa i wszystkie uzyskane na jej podstawie informacje beda poufne, uzyte jedynie na potrzeby mojej pracy badawczej.
Wypelnienie tego kwestionariusza nie powinno zajac wiecej niz 5-10 minut.
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Dienky bardzo!
GlasgowSteven  - | 24  
23 Apr 2008 /  #186
It's nothing to do with insecurities, it's just they wouldn't touch a white girl after she's slept with an asian / black guy - ie. they feel that the girl is sullied a bit of lepar ect..... Not all English are a libbral as you think, in fact there are a lot of people who don't agree with mixed relationships.

And then there is the BNP........
IronsE11  2 | 441  
23 Apr 2008 /  #187
Every country has a fascist element. Britain should be admired for the fact that the BNP is so widely laughed at and has no political power whatsoever. You only need to look around Europe for similar parties which command far greater acceptance among their electorate.
Zeus  - | 36  
23 Apr 2008 /  #188
It is sad but is a real truthfully situation. Representants from the Bristish Governments do not care if a Polish family come to the UK to be exploited, abused, and work hours.. for few money.. they will offer you heavean. .. but in reality when you get to the UK you will SUFFER.

You will suffer because there is not life here for you guys, all you will get is badtreatment from the English population who are mayority.

Dont have this silly idea that you will come to England and live like a decent human being.. You will come to England and you will be A SECOND CLASS citizen..

This is how the Polish are being considered here.. WHY? to give sacrifice to your lives, your families. WhY?? put them under such a horrible nasty way of life?

At the end of the day.. you go to another country.. to get a better prospect of life.. but coming to England is just to hang to life of misery..

There is not social life from the point that how would you feel when your children get treated like rubbish??.. or you say Good Morning to your english neighbour and he/she completely ignore you? ... is that a good way of LIFE?..

THINK... sometimes the grass just look greener from the other side.. but IT IS NOT TRUE..!! dont believe that UK will give you enjoyment of happiness.

The 99% (mayority) of the English population is just against their own government (LABOUR) now. THey are absolutely angry with them for letting this many foreigners inside their country.

The sad fact is that anyone from the TOP in the Brit Government will suffer, but the only one who will suffer the mistreat, the abuse, is you GUYS the POLISH people who made a mistake in thinking that UK is a paradise.

GOOD LUCK
BubbaWoo  33 | 3502  
23 Apr 2008 /  #189
Representants from the Bristish Governments do not care if a Polish family come to the UK to be exploited, abused, and work hours.. for few money..

as we say in england - if you smack yourself round the face with a rolling pin, dont be suprised if it hurts
szkotja2007  27 | 1497  
23 Apr 2008 /  #190
lukasvanek

Have you managed to get further than London Victoria and Huddersfield to do your research ?
It might be worth getting some experience of the rest of the country if you are going to do a UK wide thesis.
IronsE11  2 | 441  
23 Apr 2008 /  #191
The 99% (mayority) of the English population is just against their own government (LABOUR) now

This Labour government has been in power for 11 years, to suggest that 99.9% of the electorate don't support them is laughable and indeed incredibly ignorant.

The sad fact is that anyone from the TOP in the Brit Government will suffer, but the only one who will suffer the mistreat, the abuse, is you GUYS the POLISH people who made a mistake in thinking that UK is a paradise.

Who said the UK was a paradise?
Wroclaw Boy  
23 Apr 2008 /  #192
You will come to England and you will be A SECOND CLASS citizen..
This is how the Polish are being considered here.. WHY? to give sacrifice to your lives, your families. WhY?? put them under such a horrible nasty way of life?

Hey hey hey, this is quality an unhappy Pole in England. i wish there were a few more like you posting on here.
osiol  55 | 3921  
23 Apr 2008 /  #193
when you get to the UK you will SUFFER

Or arrive with no idea of what to expect and no qualifications, start a job the very next day, get offered a full-time position, be given some very inexpesive accomodation close to a shop that sells Polish food, a free bicycle, an amplifier and a pair of speakers and despite the noise pollution of a thousand disco polo tunes, still be generally well liked by people. Okay, so that's only one person's experience.

I used to live in a shared house. A Polish chap lived there. He was paid almost well enough for his qualifications, but could still afford a nice car, nights out and food from above the Tesco 'Value' range.

A new colleague of mine is engaged to a Polish girl who doesn't clean toilets for a living. Just another British person who has failed to do what we are all supposed to do and treat Poles as second class citizens. How careless are some people?

The 99% (mayority) of the English population is just against their own government (LABOUR) now

Strange how Labour still recieve more than 1% of the votes in England. I accept the point that without Wales and Scotland, England has a much stronger Tory vote. That's why I am grateful to Wales and Scotland for helping to balance the country politically.
JustysiaS  13 | 2235  
23 Apr 2008 /  #194
Hey hey hey, this is quality an unhappy Pole in England. i wish there were a few more like you posting on here.

Lol. I don't know where in UK the poor zeus lives, but i find that life in general is quite good here and i haven't been mistreated by anyone because of my nationality. i get all i need from my employer, the NHS or my bank, i don't feel like a second class citizen (i'm also planning to apply for British citizenship, but that's just because i wanna visit some family in USA and cant be bothered with the whole visa lottery shambles) and British people say good morning to me first even if they are complete strangers to me lol. looks like i'm worlds apart from zeus's miserable existence!
pat23  2 | 20  
23 Apr 2008 /  #195
I just came back from liveing in florida for some time , and i had so many Polish friends there we all stuck together , but when i came back here in England , i could not belive peoples atittude to Polish people , i have Polish girlfreind , well i hope i still do , but thats another story , and it made me ,very mad to hear what people would say about it , i live in house where they are all english and they did not like the fact that i had no problem with Polish people and that i was seeing someone from there , which leed to a lot of problems with them , but i stood firm and defended Poland all the time , and i have heard many other negitive things from other s , before they find out that i have personal reasons for likeing Polish , then they cahnge there tune , i would hope this is not the true underlineing feeling of people , but you know what they say about the british that the never tell you the turth to your face that would be un polite , its a shame some people are like this but who cares ya :) !!!
peterweg  37 | 2305  
23 Apr 2008 /  #196
Hey hey hey, this is quality an unhappy Pole in England. i wish there were a few more like you posting on here.

Nothing else better to do eh?

Why come to a country to complain about it? Admittedly he was talking bollocks, but if life is such hell in the UK its just as easy to go home as it was to come here in the first place. One thing I'm sure about, if the same number of British people had moved to Poland as Poles moved here then they would have been treated far worse.
Matyjasz  2 | 1543  
23 Apr 2008 /  #197
Nothing else better to do eh?

Why come to a country to complain about it? Admittedly he was talking bollocks, but if life is such hell in the UK its just as easy to go home as it was to come here in the first place.

Dear God peter, I'm not sure wether you are aware of how this statement perfectly descibes the person you are quoting. lol :)

One thing I'm sure about, if the same number of British people had moved to Poland as Poles moved here then they would have been treated far worse.

How can you be so sure of this?
IronsE11  2 | 441  
23 Apr 2008 /  #198
How can you be so sure of this?

Because of the anti-British sentiment on here in regards to weekend visits to Krakow. It's not as if the British come to Poland and disrespect the culture ALL year round.
Matyjasz  2 | 1543  
23 Apr 2008 /  #199
I'm sure they take a break to spread chaos and mayhem in Prague and Budapest.

I joke, I joke, I kid, I kid. :)

Seriously though most Poles still seem to think that Englishman is a synonym of gentleman.

How far away from the truth can you get, eh? ;)
IronsE11  2 | 441  
23 Apr 2008 /  #200
I'm sure they take a break to spread chaos and mayhem in Prague and Budapest.

Funny you should say that. I visited Budapest for a stag a couple of weeks ago, Prague on a football tour last year, and Krakow the year before.

Aside from some of my activities in Prague (not sex-tourism related I hasten to add) I behaved impecably on each occasion.

Seriously though most Poles still seem to think that Englishman is a synonym of gentleman.

I'd say that was pretty much spot on actually ;)
Wroclaw Boy  
23 Apr 2008 /  #201
Dear God peter, I'm not sure wether you are aware of how this statement perfectly descibes the person you are quoting. lol :)

peterweg:
Nothing else better to do eh?

Why come to a country to complain about it? Admittedly he was talking bollocks, but if life is such hell in the UK its just as easy to go home as it was to come here in the first place.

Dear God peter, I'm not sure wether you are aware of how this statement perfectly descibes the person you are quoting. lol :)

Well spotted and 100% true I might add. After todays little episode (office day) even more so but im not knocking the Poles am I Matyjasz?
free spirit  1 | 37  
23 Apr 2008 /  #202
Bristish Governments do not care if a Polish family come to the UK to be exploited, abused, and work hours.. for few money.. they will offer you heavean. .. but in reality when you get to the UK you will SUFFER.

Are you really surprised? Did you really think that the Brit. Govt. was Santa Clause?
Stop and think for a moment, why the Brit. Govt. would invite seemingly uncontrolled immigration. Will it boost economic growth? Will it reduce, as a percentage, the number of persons who opt NOT to work? Will it boost, through more workers paying tax, funding for the ailing pensions crisis etc.? Will it overburden the National Health Service to the point where it would collapse, thus ridding the Govt. of funding problems? Answers on a post card please...etc., etc.

Also, looking back to what were called 'The Ten Pound Poms', when, in the 1960's Brits were getting heavilly subsidised travel to emigrate to Australia. Many were disillusioned and found that Australia was not all it had been portrayed as, (I personally know such people). What do you think they did about it? They CAME HOME. No shame in admitting a mistake if it's not 'for you', at least they tried it.

I do however feel a great sense of shame when hearing of people being disrespected by my fellow Brits. to the point that I hereby wish to sincerely apologise to you for your suffering.

This poor attitude toward immigrants doesn't seem to be shown in my area. Have you tried changing your location? Move around some, give it your best shot. If all else fails, move on or return home rather than suffer.
osiol  55 | 3921  
23 Apr 2008 /  #203
Seriously though most Poles still seem to think that Englishman is a synonym of gentleman.

How far away from the truth can you get, eh? ;)

Most national stereotypes come in pairs. A positive one and a negative one.
All three are usually inaccruate.
Kilkline  1 | 682  
23 Apr 2008 /  #204
ITHINK... sometimes the grass just look greener from the other side.. but IT IS NOT TRUE..!! dont believe that UK will give you enjoyment of happiness.

Yeah but you're still in London you loser.
Zeus  - | 36  
24 Apr 2008 /  #205
For your words I could conclude that you are a POLITICIAN and Probably from LABOUR... or you are perceiving a good suculent financial help from them.. You might be from the minority of the country.

The mayority.. of the everyday... that you may not experience.. is all the people in the UK who does not suck anymore all the stupid promises that Labour is giving.

Labour is selling Britain exposing a project that lie to the country.. they are giving our best companies abroad.. BT is full of Indians..., Jaguar is not ours anylonger, Rover, Large Insurance companies went abroad.. Tell me.. what Britain produces?? now... apart from using the last resources that belongs to the prosperous, Great Britain from the past.

Labour has giving.. increase of taxes to the 99% if the english population. Labour is alouding Muslims to have more right to the point that they are trying to force the english children (originals)... to digest things they do not want to...

Labour is alouding all these new strategic in alouding Polish to come to invade us.. lets see if you like... having to be working with them....

Labour has giving Britain less rights in front of the EU.. Labour did exposed Britain as a weak.. Margaret Tacher was the Iron Woman.. in her policy and strategy.. and did worry for real about the English people rights.. their happiness.

Labour is forcing us to suck all these new things that the EU is trying to impose us.. and it is only because Labour representants, sell theirselves..

Unless they show us a positive thing the 99% of the english population who is unhappy the behaviour towards the POLISH will not change.

English people are polite, they suck,, and are very patient.. .. till they reach their limits... and it is obvious that no one (mayority) dislike POLISH, and others who bring terrorism to our Land.

If you are the minority.. I feel sorry for you.
Daisy  3 | 1211  
24 Apr 2008 /  #206
Zeus

Could somebody please translate what he just said, it's all Greek to me
Zeus  - | 36  
24 Apr 2008 /  #207
All I have seen to this date is a uncontrolled abuse, disrespect, dislike, towards the Polish in the UK.

It is very sad.. that even the polish women are being considered for the trade in the sexual market.
It is very sad that Polish people has loosen their proud for money and the one who came to the UK takes any bull **** that the government promise them...

It is very sad, that while in Poland they have their own country and land... for money they have sold their Moral, dignity.. and they have to come to the UK to serve in bars, to work cleaning toilets, etc..
Daisy  3 | 1211  
24 Apr 2008 /  #208
Yeah but you're still in London you loser

perhaps if he stays a bit longer he might improve his English
IronsE11  2 | 441  
24 Apr 2008 /  #209
Zeus

*Wins award for best internet fishing*

I really hope for your sake that you are on a wind-up. The only other possibility being that you are in fact a retard.
Kilkline  1 | 682  
24 Apr 2008 /  #210

I cant answer your points as I havent got a f ucking clue what you're saying. What does 'alouding' mean for instance?

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