Return PolishForums LIVE
  PolishForums Archive :
Archives - 2005-2009 / UK, Ireland  % width 514

Why do Poles come to England?


OP UKGUY 3 | 87  
28 Aug 2007 /  #181
Eventually there could be limitations on the numbers comming into the UK from Eastern-euorpe (or other EU member states). Its not a racist idea, but the UK (like others) doesn't have unlimited resources - our hospitals and schools/services, can't cope forever. Well even the Poles would agree on this as its not a critism, just common sense. It depends on a European referendum in the UK, but no-one knows if this will ever happen yet. People on here should put forward non biased, non racist ideas. Anyway also it depends on if the numbers decrease, with the economies reaching our level in eastern-europe. Hungary and The Czech Republic are very advanced - economically very good indeed!
Patrycja19 63 | 2,699  
3 Sep 2007 /  #182
I just wish Poles would be able to go abroad, live and work there, and yet remember where they came from, and take pride in it. I wish they realized that Poland is a big country located smack in the middle of Europe and with lots of achievements to its name, no better but definitely not worse than any other European country. Yeah, that's just about it.

Magdalena

I can agree with this. but all Polish dont feel that way, and I think a good majority
feel very proud of where they came from.. those select few who whine exists
in every country.. we have emm in the united states as well. I am sure they are
all over..

I am sure responding pretty late to this.
buyyko 1 | 16  
10 Sep 2007 /  #183
The polish just come because they don't like their countrym they believe that any country is better than their's, and because in England they think they can make alot of mkoney

i've came to uk because of the situation im my homeland seems very strange. can you imagine some difficult to understand thinks such this; minister of education (happily former now) is a national example of racist and homofob.

our politics can drive car when they are drunk because of the immunity allow them to do that... one of politics was in the prison and tryed to start in election to be a president.

this is crazy. i can't think about it because im gonna to get headache. they do nothing to improove our lives.
tornado2007 11 | 2,274  
10 Sep 2007 /  #184
thanks for your honesty mate, i've heard so much how Poland is so great and better than the UK and that if they were in Poland it would not happen like this. I understand that things are difficult in your country and you are more than welcome here in the UK
buyyko 1 | 16  
10 Sep 2007 /  #185
thanks! but if you are happy to have fantastic holidays you should go to poland. This is beautyfull country, with so tasty food, not expencive, fantastic wiews and ladscapes and our lovely girls of course ;)
tornado2007 11 | 2,274  
10 Sep 2007 /  #186
i know i have been to Krakow and i enjoyed it very much, i would go back to Poland again. Your right it is a great place to visit with some interesting history, culture and food. The people there on the whole are very friendly and welcoming.
laddy - | 22  
27 Sep 2009 /  #187
we have some poles that work at our company and let me tell you, i havent met such a pathetic group of people. i understand that they will be some decent ones around but i am yet to find one. most have lied about they qualifactions to get the jobs in the first place, which result in poor work output. with this supposed 400000 that are here how many are spending they money here? so theys money not going into the economy. many live in houses with lots in them, which bring the price of houses down. they is one at our place who is determined to get a council house so he can rent rooms out. and how many will never return because they have skiped they national service? how many are claiming for kids still in poland, this country has been at bursting point for years and now is the time to say enough is enough. we need a goverment with a spine, that says no to a european state, this country dose not need europe and its stupid laws. and we dont need underqualified sponging people who just come here expecting everything!! and before you start saying poles are doing jobs what the english wont your wrong, poles are doing jobs for less money which keep wages down while every thing else gos up.
drew128 3 | 55  
27 Sep 2009 /  #188
Sounds real bad back in the homeland Laddy, I am lucky it seems to have been able to move out of a country that has gone to the dogs when I did. It would also appears the native population can not get into a school anymore to learn even the basics. I wish you luck Laddy, your going to need it I think.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
27 Sep 2009 /  #189
But Rockefeller is happy that there is European governance and standards. He doesn't care about such things, he is striving towards one-world governance, as impossible as that seems. It just amazes me that Britain hasn't imposed caps like Holland has. It's almost like we are clinging to the remnants of Aneurin Bevan's caring 'from cradle to grave' (1948 NHS) idea and ignoring subsequent quasi-revolutionary developments by Thatcher. Old lefties like Prescott may like what's happening but New Labour is not of that ilk, or so I thought.
wiesiek 1 | 36  
29 Sep 2009 /  #190
most have lied about they qualifactions to get the jobs in the first place, which result in poor work output.

Seems that Laddy has also lied about his qualifications, as his english/grammer is very poor.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
29 Sep 2009 /  #191
Well, part of the problem is at this end. Students are told that FCE is enough to go abroad and work in an office. Even some CAE students aren't really up to scratch when it comes to meeting the required proficiency level.
laddy - | 22  
1 Oct 2009 /  #192
i do not need to lie about my qualifications as all my details are on file, unlike the polish. that includes my criminal record if i had one. i think alot of employers are starting to realise what a grave mistake this so called cheap labour has cost them. dont get me wrong, i am all for controlled immigration, but only if it will benefit this once great country. sadly this is not happening. please answer me this question, how many do you think will return back to poland, when this soft touch of a country will support them, and do you think after just a few years or even weeks paying into the system you deserve it? do you think you should have the same benefits rights as someone who has paid in all his life? do you think it is right to be claiming for family members who are not even living in this country? and if you were drafted into the army, would you fight for this country you are bleeding dry? or would you run back to poland while still claiming for everything you can? knowing the mentality of the polish i am certain of the answer.
RevokeNice 15 | 1,859  
1 Oct 2009 /  #193
Seems that Laddy has also lied about his qualifications, as his english/grammer is very poor.

The words is grammar. The irony is delicous. Good post Laddy and welcome.
Harry  
1 Oct 2009 /  #194
do you think you should have the same benefits rights as someone who has paid in all his life?

Er, they don't have the same rights to benefits. In fact a Pole who has worked in the UK for two years and paid NI during that time has less rights to benefits than a Brit who has never worked a day in his life (or one who has never worked a legal day in his life).

do you think it is right to be claiming for family members who are not even living in this country?

Would you prefer that those family members came to the UK and so became an expense for the NHS and whatever is left of the British education system? If anything, child benefit payments should be higher for people who keep their children outside the UK!
RevokeNice 15 | 1,859  
1 Oct 2009 /  #195
If anything, child benefit payments should be higher for people who keep their children outside the UK!

They should get nada.
Harry  
1 Oct 2009 /  #196
Fine, provided that their taxes are reduced so they do not pay the amount required to fund child benefit.
RevokeNice 15 | 1,859  
1 Oct 2009 /  #197
How many times do I have to tell you this, those on minimum wage pay no taxes. Can you read?

Also, the House of Lords study on immigration concluded that immigrants take more out of the system than they put in.
Harry  
1 Oct 2009 /  #198
How many times do I have to tell you this, those on minimum wage pay no taxes. Can you read?

Don't lie. A person on minimum wage working 40 hours a week earns £12,064 per year. A person who earns £12,064 per year owes £1,117.80 in tax plus another £698.39 in National Insurance. Check for yourself.

listentotaxman.com/index.php?c=1&yr=2009&age=0&add=0&code=&pension=0&time=1&ingr=12%2C064+&vw%5B%5D=yr&vw%5B%5D=mth&vw%5B%5D=wk

Do you have another nice lie for us?
RevokeNice 15 | 1,859  
1 Oct 2009 /  #199
Your figures are wrong. The British minimum wage works out at £11620.44 per annum. Minimum wage is £5.73 per hour. The standard working week is 39 hours, not 40.
Harry  
1 Oct 2009 /  #200
As of today it is £5.80.
personneltoday.com/articles/2009/10/01/52379/national-minimum-wage-increases-to-5.80-per-hour.html

Thanks for the lie.

Anyway, let's pretend that your £11620.44 per annum was the real figure. A person who earns £11620.44 per year owes £1,029.09 in tax plus another £649.60 in National Insurance. Slightly more than the nothing you claimed they pay. Proof our little racist is lying yet again!

listentotaxman.com/index.php?c=1&yr=2009&age=0&add=0&code=&pension=0&time=1&ingr=11620.44+&vw%5B%5D=yr&vw%5B%5D=mth&vw%5B%5D=wk]
RevokeNice 15 | 1,859  
1 Oct 2009 /  #201
Anyway, let's pretend that your £11620.44 per annum was the real figure. A person who earns £11620.44 per year owes £1,029.09 in tax plus another £649.60 in National Insurance. Slightly more than the nothing you claimed they pay. ]Proof our little racist is lying yet again!

Whether you are right or not is immaterial. A house of Lords study found that immigrants, in the UK, take more out of the system than they put in. I presume you regard them as racist too? Also, what concern is mass immigration in europe, to you, an Australian?
jonni 16 | 2,485  
1 Oct 2009 /  #202
A house of Lords study

Could you provide a link to the report? It would be interesting to see. I don't remember hearing anything, at least not this year.
ShelleyS 14 | 2,893  
1 Oct 2009 /  #203
Er, they don't have the same rights to benefits. In fact a Pole who has worked in the UK for two years and paid NI during that time has less rights to benefits than a Brit who has never worked a day in his life (or one who has never worked a legal day in his life).

Wrong, a friend of mine who has been back here for only 3 months is claiming child allowance (put his claim form in the first week he got back) - been back here for 2 minutes and is back claiming something...As for the Brit who has never worked...well, he's a Brit, let us worry about our own...I hate them as much as the next hard working person.

Would you prefer that those family members came to the UK and so became an expense for the NHS and whatever is left of the British education system? If anything, child benefit payments should be higher for people who keep their children outside the UK!

LOL...Do you know how stupid that sounded??? Why SHOULD we do anything? I actually like the system they have in place in Dubia, 'foreingers' pay NO tax but you pay for health care and schooling is private...let's see how attractive the UK would be then! Look how the Indians are treated in construction and the service industry over there? Getting the picture Harry?
Harry  
1 Oct 2009 /  #204
Whether you are right or not is immaterial.

Best excuse ever for being caught lying!

A house of Lords study found that immigrants, in the UK, take more out of the system than they put in.

And I'm sure your source for that is every bit as good as your lie about minimum wage workers paying no tax!
RevokeNice 15 | 1,859  
1 Oct 2009 /  #205
And I'm sure your source for that is every bit as good as your lie about minimum wage workers paying no tax!

Here you go.

The number of immigrants entering Britain should be capped, an influential House of Lords committee has warned.

Its analysis concludes that record levels of immigration are bringing no economic benefit to the country.

The report says that ministers should urgently review immigration policies as plans to increase the population by 190,000 a year threaten to have "major impacts" on public services and housing.

The economic affairs committee - whose members include eminent economists, businessmen and politicians - rebukes the Government for using "irrelevant and misleading" economic statistics to justify the boom in immigration in the past decade.

To read this article in full, click here.
Harry  
1 Oct 2009 /  #206
Here you go.

The number of immigrants entering Britain should be capped, an influential House of Lords committee has warned.

Its analysis concludes that record levels of immigration are bringing no economic benefit to the country.

Thanks for that. I especially like the way that the real quote is "There is little or no economic benefit to Britain from the present high level of immigration." but you make it "no economic benefit".

Your original claim was that "A house of Lords study found that immigrants, in the UK, take more out of the system than they put in." Can you quote from the part which says that or shall we be forced to conclude that you've been caught lying for the third time in half an hour?
jonni 16 | 2,485  
1 Oct 2009 /  #207
Is that the minority response to the Government report of 2007?

By the way. YOU said

A house of Lords study found that immigrants, in the UK, take more out of the system than they put in.

Please read the report. Properly. It found that increased immigration requires increased infrastructure.. It did NOT refer to the economic benefits that immigration brings, nor their tax which pays for the infrastructure. It wasn't about economic benefit or absence thereof. It was about infrastructure.

But for you,

right or not is immaterial

RevokeNice 15 | 1,859  
1 Oct 2009 /  #208
Is that the minority response to the Government report of 2007?

April 2008.

It wasn't about economic benefit or absence thereof. It was about infrastructure.

You are talking about a different report. It was proved that immigrants bring no economic benefit and put massive strains on services.
Harry  
1 Oct 2009 /  #209
It was proved that immigrants bring no economic benefit and put massive strains on services.

Got a link or are you too busy lying?
jonni 16 | 2,485  
1 Oct 2009 /  #210
jonni:
Is that the minority response to the Government report of 2007?

April 2008.

jonni:
It wasn't about economic benefit or absence thereof. It was about infrastructure.
You are talking about a different report. It was proved that immigrants bring no economic benefit and put massive strains on services.

We're talking about the same report. It was a eight (or was it 9?) month study, published on 1/4/08 in response to the Government report of the previous year. 2007.

Your quote from, I think, The Telegraph, made that clear.

Archives - 2005-2009 / UK, Ireland / Why do Poles come to England?Archived