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The Independent about Poles in the UK: "Poles are under attack."


Lukasz 49 | 1,746  
28 Apr 2008 /  #1
I think this article is interesting:

independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/daniel-kawczynski-poles-in-the-uk-are-under-attack-its-got-to-stop-815370.html

Daniel Kawczynski: Poles in the UK are under attack. It's got to stop.

According to evidence submitted by Dr Stephen Drinkwater of the University of Surrey to the House of Lords Select Committee, migrants from Poland have a higher employment rate than those from the other Eastern European countries which joined the EU in 2004, with 84.3 per cent in employment, compared to 73.1 per cent.

When compared to migrants from non-EU, non-English-speaking countries this rate looks even more favourable, with only 50.1 per cent of these migrants in work.

What the critics fail to explain is that we have now reached a point where more Poles are returning home than are coming over and the tide has turned so that there are fewer and fewer Poles in the country as of the beginning of this year. When many of them have gone we will miss their hard work and contribution.

BubbaWoo 33 | 3,510  
28 Apr 2008 /  #2
Daniel Kawczynski: Poles in the UK are under attack. It's got to stop

lol

you just have to look at the title to know its written by a pole moaning about how hard done by they are

get over yourselves guys and take a little responsibility. you might find that people start taking you a little more seriously
OP Lukasz 49 | 1,746  
28 Apr 2008 /  #3
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Kawczynski
zion 16 | 168  
28 Apr 2008 /  #4
does not matter he still is a Pole look at this family name anyway BubbaWoo is right
Ozi Dan 26 | 569  
28 Apr 2008 /  #5
I'm interested Lukasz - keep posting please.

get over yourselves guys and take a little responsibility.

What on earth do you mean? Responsibility for what?
BubbaWoo 33 | 3,510  
28 Apr 2008 /  #6
if such a disproprtionate amount of poles hadnt turned up in the uk over such a relitively short period of time then they wouldnt have made such an impressionable impact on england and found themselves on the receiving end of the inevitable backlash. l

lets draw a comparison to the stags in krakow. if such a large and noticable number hadnt turned up in such a short period of time then perhaps they wouldnt have wound the locals up to such an extent.
rafik 18 | 589  
28 Apr 2008 /  #7
get over yourselves guys and take a little responsibility. you might find that people start taking you a little more seriously

i said that a long time ago.poles are white and that allows people like you to attack us and write s.hit in the papers without being labelled as a racist.writing/saying anythig like that about pakis ect would cause a great otuburst of politicaly correct,2 faced kunts.i'm going back to poland and have no regrets about it.i can't wait.

just one thing regarding one of your posts about poland being a joke and greed of poles causing prices of real estate in poland shoot through the roof.

unfortuantely it's the other way round.tw-Ats like you came here before 2004 with some cash and bought a few places for a few pounds just to seel them off with a great profit.that is you who is a greedy c-unt not us.so STFU.have a good day
BubbaWoo 33 | 3,510  
28 Apr 2008 /  #8
i'm going back to poland and have no regrets about it.

mate, youll be sorely missed. but can you just give the bog a quick once over before you fuk off back to your own cuntry.
zion 16 | 168  
28 Apr 2008 /  #9
he he he good one
Polanglik 11 | 303  
28 Apr 2008 /  #10
disproprtionate amount of poles hadnt turned up in the uk

lets draw a comparison to the stags in krakow

Lets not draw a comparison to the stags in Krakow ..... these are two separate groups ......

The difference here is that the majority of Poles are well behaved, employed and contributing to British society ... unlike the rowdy, foul-mouthed British yobs on a drink-fuelled rampage, who may be contributing financially but are making the streets of Krakow unsafe for many of the locals and are an embarrassment to normal British tourists.

I have witnessed first hand the disgraceful behaviour of British stag and hen nights in Krakow, and hopefully the strong arm tactics of the Polish Police will soon deter these revellers :o)
IronsE11 2 | 442  
28 Apr 2008 /  #11
Polanglik

Can I just ask why you post such ignorant rubbish?

Lets not draw a comparison to the stags in Krakow ..... these are two separate groups ......

unlike the rowdy, foul-mouthed British yobs on a drink-fuelled rampage

I live in Leytonstone East London and I can honestly say I have never seen a Pole walking down the street with a can of Zywiec muttering kurwa. Nor have I ever seen a drunk Pole pay absolutely no respect to fellow tube passengers. Nor have I ever seen a Pole pull a knife outside one of my local drinking establishments. Take off your rose tinted specs, or actually visit the places in London/England where Poles outnumber the English. (The fact that you are actually based in London makes your bigotry even more baffling!).

The sheer hypocracy of you moaning about stag parties in Krakow, whilst suggesting that all of the Poles in the UK are all hard working angels, is quite frankly beyond belief.

There are well behaved British tourists (and stag parties) that visit Krakow, likewise, there are well behaved hard working Poles in London. The opposite of both obviously exist, but lets not single out the British because of their nationality.

It just smacks of a pathetic inferiority complex!
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
28 Apr 2008 /  #12
What's so strange about going somewhere where the wages can be ten times higher? Britain is a signatory to the EU Treaty, period!! Look at Van Binsbergen and other seminal cases in EU Law. The Poles are strong, they can fight back.
Zeus - | 36  
28 Apr 2008 /  #13
Polish are coming to the UK to suffer discrimination, to be considered as second class citizens!!. When I was in the UK all I heard was words such: Polish people sting, polish are slaves to serve english people, polish women are tarts, polish men are savages, Polish go back to Poland!, Polish you are ****, ... They dislike us in every angle.. therefore we should not ! go to UK. Who needs UK ,?? reality we dont.!! we are doing it just because it did seem a good choice till went there and found reality and fact which is that ENglish peolple HATES polish

The labour UK Government do not give monkeys!! they just want to present a plan to their country (Country that they do not take care of), as Labour UK seems to laugh when all this social problem, they do not care if we get kill by english.

Of course they do not care about Polish, they do not even care about their own english citizens, so how?? can they care about anyone?... all they want is their votes and their stupid policies.
osiol 55 | 3,922  
28 Apr 2008 /  #14
Polish people sting

... like a bee. What about floating like a butterfly?
FISZ 24 | 2,116  
28 Apr 2008 /  #15
Not all British people dislike the PL. Everywhere you go there are some who are Nationalists.
If you don't like it, don't go. People have their own reasons for going and to let a few hot headed Brits make your decision is giving them exactly what they want. You can run from the problem, but it'll never fix it.
tornado2007 11 | 2,274  
28 Apr 2008 /  #16
This is another topic created by another Pole with a chip on his shoulder. It's about time you stopped complaining, i mean if you actually had some sort of thing to say or an argument behing posting this article then fair enough but you don't. You hardly ever do, you just post an article and expect other Poles to moan with you.

If your going to post a topic at lesat state your own opinion on the subject if not don't bother posting at all. There is no point in trying to start a topic if its just going to be a load of polaks moaning about an article rather than discussing it!!!!
OP Lukasz 49 | 1,746  
28 Apr 2008 /  #17
If your going to post a topic at lesat state your own opinion on the subject if not don't bother posting at all.

Don't you understand what I have said ;-) look on biger picture and other my threads in last time :P I see you don't understand so I feel my theory is true. ;)

racist statments adressed to new group (generaly using this weapon) bring some interesting observations ;-)
IronsE11 2 | 442  
28 Apr 2008 /  #18
racist statments

You know all about them.
dtaylor 9 | 823  
28 Apr 2008 /  #19
Exact same thing happening to Brits in Poland...
osiol 55 | 3,922  
28 Apr 2008 /  #20
It seems that you can be more rude, more insulting and more derogatory to those who are more similar to yourself. That doesn't mean you'll get away with it though. Anne Robinson (whoever she is) said something nasty about the Welsh. She was forced to apologise, no doubt in part because Wales and the Welsh have enough say in things to make such a demand.

I think there may have been another thread on the subject - the complaint made against the Daily Hate Mail by the Federation of Poles in Great Britain. I vaguely remember the Daily Fascist reacting, not only by raising one or two tiny little concerns that may almost have some relevence, but also by banging on about things such as illegal immigrants and terrorism that have as much to do with Polish workers as Anne Robinson has to do with the words 'Cymru am byth!'
Foreigner4 12 | 1,769  
28 Apr 2008 /  #21
writing/saying anythig like that about pakis ect would cause a great otuburst of politicaly correct

That doesn't rule out the conclusion that "pakis" (your term not mine) simply moan and paint themselves the victim as well.

For the record, I can't stand it when someone starts moaning in this day and age about how everyone is against them and they have no idea why or where it all comes from. Rightly or wrongly, there are reasons but it is human nature to avoid honesty when convience rings.

I live in Leytonstone East London and I can honestly say I have never seen a Pole walking down the street with a can of Zywiec muttering kurwa. Nor have I ever seen a drunk Pole pay absolutely no respect to fellow tube passengers.

Well different people see different things. While living in East London, I saw tons of that crap every week of every month, in the area and all around. It's laughable to even suggest that there isn't a fair bit of that going on in London.

The labour UK Government do not give monkeys!! they just want to present a plan to their country (Country that they do not take care of), as Labour UK seems to laugh when all this social problem, they do not care if we get kill by english.
Of course they do not care about Polish, they do not even care about their own english citizens, so how?? can they care about anyone?... all they want is their votes and their stupid policies.

Unfortunately, that is exactly on the money. Unfortunately the same is also true of the Polish government but in different ways. Hey, these successive governments in Poland haven't actually done much to progress the state of affairs here over the last 10 years now have they?
IronsE11 2 | 442  
28 Apr 2008 /  #22
Well different people see different things. While living in East London, I saw tons of that crap every week of every month, in the area and all around. It's laughable to even suggest that there isn't a fair bit of that going on in London.

Jesus wept.

Please don't tell me that you actually concluded that from my post??
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163  
28 Apr 2008 /  #23
if such a disproprtionate amount of poles hadnt turned up in the uk over such a relitively short period of time then they wouldnt have made such an impressionable impact on england and found themselves on the receiving end of the inevitable backlash.

If such a disproprtionate amount of british hadnt turned up in Poland over such a relitively short period of time vomiting all over the place then maybe some people wouldn't pi*s on them etc...
JustysiaS 13 | 2,240  
28 Apr 2008 /  #24
I think this article is interesting:

yawn yawn yawn. change the record. all you ever do is complain about how badly Polish people are treated in UK. you're not in UK, what's this got to do with you? live your life and stop complaining. i'm not saying that discrimination and racism towards Poles is ok, but it's their choice to come here. i've never came accross anyone who's been racist towards me, but i am aware just how bad some Brits can get and to be honest nothing will make them change their opinion so it's the Polish peoples choice to either ignore these twats, report them somewhere or... go back to Poland. Poland so is a nation of moaners and it's so typical that instead of taking some action to make one's life better, a Pole will go see his/hers friends or go on this forum and moan and moan and moan. nobody makes Polish people come here, if it's so bad why not just SHUT UP and leave?? and for those who moaned all the time since they've been in UK and are about to leave:

give the bog a quick once over before you fuk off

love that lol
Foreigner4 12 | 1,769  
28 Apr 2008 /  #25
Please don't tell me that you actually concluded that from my post??

not from your entire post, no, not at all.
My "laughable" remark was sort of flung random out there. I really could have made that one more pointed, alas, what's done is done.
IronsE11 2 | 442  
28 Apr 2008 /  #26
If such a disproprtionate amount of british hadnt turned up in Poland over such a relitively short period of time vomiting all over the place then maybe some people wouldn't pi*s on them etc...

That's fair enough. The thing that upests me is that it is often the same people who criticize the Brits in Krakow that will defend the mass influx of Poles to England. You can't have your cake and eat it. Pure hypocracy.

Persoanlly, I don't care. I have visited Krakow and respected the city, others haven't. Likewise with the Polish in London.

Why continually stereotype?
Polanglik 11 | 303  
28 Apr 2008 /  #27
suggesting that all of the Poles in the UK are all hard working angels

Take off your rose tinted specs

if you read my post I said 'majority of Poles' which implies there are some that are not, but these I feel are in the minority :o)

the majority of Poles are well behaved, employed and contributing to British society

In previous posts on this forum I have stated that certain Poles were an embarrassment as they 'hung around the local park sitting on benches, drinking their vodka and swearing' - so I am well aware of some of the negative behaviours associated with Poles. However, in general the Poles who have come over to the UK have a good reputation :o)

lets not single out the British because of their nationality.

Unfortunately the Brits on holiday or on stag/hen weekends abroad have become notorious. You don’t see (or at least I haven’t) groups of Italians, Germans or any other nationality behaving in the same outrageous manner as Brits –

There are well behaved British tourists (and stag parties) that visit Krakow, likewise, there are well behaved hard working Poles in London.

True, but when you see a group of around 10 semi-naked, pissed guys roaming the streets of Krakow chanting obscenities and trying to grope the local girls, you can be sure they’re Brits.

I have nothing against well behaved high spirited fun, but I was referring to the

rowdy, foul-mouthed British yobs on a drink-fuelled rampage

which doesn’t include all Brits in Krakow :o)

makes your bigotry

bigot/bigotry : A bigot is a prejudiced person who is intolerant of opinions, lifestyles, or identities differing from his or her own, and bigotry is the corresponding ideology.

This term has never been applied to me, so before you start calling people names make sure you have strong evidence to back it up :o)
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
28 Apr 2008 /  #28
Wow, another thread concerning antagonism, what a surprise!!
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163  
28 Apr 2008 /  #29
Persoanlly, I don't care.

Neither I but the difference is that a kind of British we are talking about still get far better treatment than they deserve, when most of anti-Polish crap in the UK is simply taken out of dirty ass - like spreading crap about "danger Polish criminals" when crime rate among Poles in the UK is half of that among British, "they take benefits" which is also ridiculous and countless other examples.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
28 Apr 2008 /  #30
I tend to agree with this Greg. The Scots have certainly warmed more towards the Poles, much more so than our neighbours down south.

According to certain sources, many Poles don't claim benefits. The Scots are large benefit claimers

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