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English people attitude towards Poles?


Lady in red  
27 Aug 2007 /  #542
whether you look at them or not they remain a respected research organisationthe report was a work-in-progress 2OO4 - 2OO5

I think maybe you misinterpreted my comment bubba. I never look at Mori polls because I have no need to do so, that's all I meant. I have absolutely no opinion of their polls either way. I am neither a researcher nor a marketeer and in my private life am not that interested. So, that's all I meant by it. I wasn't dismissing their research by any means. i merely asked when the report was made for clarification. I like to do that to get an idea of the material you are referring to before I put in my two pennyworth (for what it's worth) <g>

Ipsos Mori is a well known and highly respected research company and i acknowledge that.

So thank you for that info :) am wide awake now so can reply.......good debate i think and extremely interesting too !!

last thing id want to do,my apologies Lady

.......that's ok but thank you for posting that :)

I blame yesterday on the hot weather <joke>

Here is a link for breakfast tomorrow.

......thank you that's a great help szkotja :)

am on the case.......<g>

The phrase 'average british guy' is outdated in my opinion and now obsolete. Some research and commercial companies may use it in the followng ways:-

(a) For headlines....thereby attracting public interest or trying to make something more newsworthy than it is !

(b) Because they don't yet realise they should be looking for something to replace it with or they haven't the foggiest what they should replace it with.

Look at the evidence here on this link.......

(there's lots of links but I'll do them in separate posts)

shopping.guardian.co.uk/food/story/0,1587,1541490,00.html

This is an article about "The government's annual peek into the average British family's shopping trolley" The headline states "What's in the average Brit's shopping trolley?"

The article then refers to 'the UK' and details the main differences between Scotland, England, Northern ireland and Wales. My point here is, how can that be the 'average Brit' the differences are quite big in some cases and the average turns out to be fairly meaningless. If the averages were based country by country then, I think that could be considered an accurate reflection of an i.e. average Scot or an average Englishman etc. But then the headline would not grab your attention, if it said the average Englishman or the average Welshman......because the Guardian sells it's papers across the whole of the United Kingdom.......so the 'average brit' is a useful phrase even if it is now defunct (in my opinion). Furthermore, the people researched are referred to as 'UK residents' and 'UK households'.

Who actually decided what or who 'an average brit' is ? It's an interesting point. Even in the Mori Poll you refer too and the extract you put onto PF.

The MORI report found a great deal of resistance to the idea ? especially amongthe British focus groups ? that there was any such thing as uniquely ?British?characteristics.

They did come up with a list, this is true but probably after a great deal of work in order to provide sufficient information for the report to be made viable. Everyone has an idea about the 'great British Bulldog' spirit.......it's taught or was taught in schools and in a lot of old films you still see on TV. So , yes they are generalisations and stereotypes.......and maybe that was true of the 'average brit' a long time ago but is it true of today ? ( I think that's why the focus groups were so resistant to the idea maybe ?)

My argument is that it is not. And it would be fairer to say......the 'average UK resident' because that is the norm now in 2007. I no longer believe that the term 'average brit' reflects the modern society that we now live in here in the UK. In fact, maybe this debate should be extended to add 'what is Britishness' and does it exist anymore in the UK ? Interesting <g>

It would be interesting to see the characteristics by country now that we are formally known as the UK.

"common properties is synonimous with characteristics " bubba's words..

Don't disagree with that comment as a stand alone comment. <s>

Just my view. Am sure I may have left stuff out I intended to put in and will probably remember after I come back to this later on. But hey, it's Bank Holiday, great weather so have to go out and catch some of it for myself.

I'll be back later though hopefully to debate further :)
Lady in red  
29 Aug 2007 /  #543
No me neither. Generally these polls reflect about 1000 (or however many people are asked - never more than a couple of thou) people in society and not the British public as a whole.

That's quite a valid point PD !! You may be interested in this then.

"The custard cream is the nation's favourite biscuit, suggests a survey. So why has it endured so long?"

This is a sub title from an article on BBC news:- news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/6966747.stm

The story made quite a few headlines yesterday. One survey (7000 people polled) 9 out of 10 people put 'custard creams' as their favourite biscuit. The origins of that biscuit harks back to the Victorian times. Is that a sign of 'Britishness' lol ?

Well, not too sure are we because who were the 7000 people polled ? Were they reflective of todays society in the UK ? Were they people over 65 who may have different tastes to the younger generation ?

Further down the page in the BBC article. Expert Stuart Payne states- "He thinks it unlikely that Trufree's survey is a true representation of opinion. His website conducted its own poll and the custard cream was voted the ninth favourite, with the dark chocolate digestive placed first. "

So, I think it's fair to assume 'Polls' should be used in conjunction with other rearearch vehicles. And we shouldn't rely on some 'Polls' as being the conclusive authority on any one subject.

Wonder where the 'jaffa cake' came on that list <g>

Interesting article nonetheless !!

:)
Daisy 3 | 1,225  
29 Aug 2007 /  #544
I chatted to an elderly lady on a long train journey once, she had been a statistician, she told me that statistics can be manipulated to give any answer you choose. It depends on who you choose to ask which answers you get.

Has anyone ever done a survey on whether milk should be put into the cup before or after pouring the tea, and which should be placed first on the scone, jam or cream?
Lady in red  
29 Aug 2007 /  #545
Quoting: Lady in red Britain has been a very racist country

Yes, I wrote that because history has shown this to be the case...

I used past tense.......bcause I wasn't applying the comment to this day and age.

:)

she had been a statistician, she told me that statistics can be manipulated to give any answer you choose. It depends on who you choose to ask which answers you get.

That's so true daisy......it's something I am an expert on <g>
Not a statistician but an expert on using figures provided by other people......it helps enormously sometimes <s>

Has anyone ever done a survey on whether milk should be put into the cup before or after pouring the tea, and which should be placed first on the scone, jam or cream?

Interesting !!! Is that something that could be included in a debate on 'Britishness' I do it both ways.....dunno about the scone, i don't eat scones.......sounds a nice lazy way to pass the time on a sunny day <s>
Daisy 3 | 1,225  
29 Aug 2007 /  #546
Is that something that could be included in a debate on 'Britishness'

yes, it would be essential ;)
Cheeruppoles  
29 Aug 2007 /  #547
Polish are miserable, mean and moody. I live in London and have yet to see any of them smile. You can spot them in the street a mile off. God SMILE......

They earn good money so why are they so sullen...they depress me soooo much
osiol 55 | 3,922  
29 Aug 2007 /  #548
I look for native English people in my area smiling. Some do. Most don't.
Nobody in London smiles except the tourists.
_Sofi_  
29 Aug 2007 /  #549
Nobody in London smiles except the tourists.

so I'm going to enter an unsmiling area. They will think my friend and I are strange then
Basil  
12 Sep 2007 /  #550
There are a lot of Polish people living and working in the Channel Islands and I find that they just do not mix with any locals. Many seem to be bitter about the high rents they have to be pay and a lot look miserable, permanently. This is an observation from 4 years experience now and I don't think many Polish people will ever Gel with Islanders because they just don't seem interested in anybody that is not Polish.

Many have been caught trying to bring in drugs, many have been arrested for fighting and being drunk, and you really you have to earn respect anywhere you go, and I don't see any really making any effort.
fraser  
15 Sep 2007 /  #551
The britsh people hate the polish, but most are to afraid to say it. there are 250,000 polish immagrents in the UK, taking are jobs and more importantly ruining our economy by sending the money (often cash, so no tax is given to the government) back to other countries. there are 3 times more of you lot than expected how will the NHS cope? hope will the police cope? how will the econey cope? how will the property cope? The immergrnets into this country will destroy it.

**** off home.

fraser
Daisy 3 | 1,225  
15 Sep 2007 /  #552
The britsh people hate the polish, but most are to afraid to say it

Crap

how will the NHS cope?

Thanks to my Polish dentist, I'm actually able to get NHS treatment.

immergrnets

what's one of them then?
I think you need to learn to read and write in English before you try writing more crap on here

**** off home

and you can fuk off from this forum, you're not wanted

goodbye
osiol 55 | 3,922  
15 Sep 2007 /  #553
working in the Channel Islands and I find that they just do not mix with any locals

The locals whose families have lived there for generations, maybe even speak Jèrriais,
or the wealthy people from Britain who use the place as a tax haven, or both?
What are the attitudes of the islanders to outside groups of people, such as the Portuguese and so on?
BethH 1 | 8  
16 Sep 2007 /  #554
The only thing i have hear anyone say is that they think the poles can find jobs easier than we can here.There are alot of people in the uk who are out of work and on benefits and find it difficult to get a job,but the poles can move to England and find a job easily,and some think this is unfair.

I personally love poles being here : )
Osiedle_Ruda  
16 Sep 2007 /  #555
The britsh people hate the polish, but most are to afraid to say it. there are 250,000 polish immagrents in the UK, taking are jobs and more importantly ruining our economy by sending the money (often cash, so no tax is given to the government) back to other countries. there are 3 times more of you lot than expected how will the NHS cope? hope will the police cope? how will the econey cope? how will the property cope? The immergrnets into this country will destroy it.
**** off home.

pmsl

I always laugh when all these "immagrent" (sic) haters always seem to have worse English than my Polish realtives! :D
_Sofi_  
16 Sep 2007 /  #556
The britsh people hate the polish, but most are to afraid to say it.

Oh I don't really remember anyone coming around me/my friends/family and asking if we did or not...

I'm glad you can read minds then, that must be nice... but I'm afraid the gift is faulty because I am British and do not

hate the polish

... but then maybe I'm just

afraid to say it

?
Firestorm 6 | 400  
16 Sep 2007 /  #557
I always laugh when all these "immagrent" (sic) haters always seem to have worse English than my Polish realtives! :D

They are only worth laughing at.
Badly educated.. Immature.. Racist no-hopers

Boo hoo Ma caint git me a jorb. its alla yur falts.
Retards
tornado2007 11 | 2,274  
16 Sep 2007 /  #558
The britsh people hate the polish, but most are to afraid to say it. there are 250,000 polish immagrents in the UK, taking are jobs and more importantly ruining our economy by sending the money (often cash, so no tax is given to the government) back to other countries. there are 3 times more of you lot than expected how will the NHS cope? hope will the police cope? how will the econey cope? how will the property cope? The immergrnets into this country will destroy it.
**** off home.

Mate being British myself i have some sympathy with how your feeling, however a lot of the things you say are widely of the mark i'm afraid. There are those who don't pay tax, there are those who send all their money home, yes but there are many more who do come to work and pay their taxes.

There are also those who shack up 8 or 9 to a house and don't pay income tax yes but there are also those who pay their right of way in this country. Another point is that these people are not all Polish, I have never understood the picking out of certain groups. They are all immigrants and they are all here whatever colour, race, language or backkground they have.

it is the governments fault for not controlling our immigration. It needs sorting out and needs to be re-structured. Fraser it would be a good idea next time if you had a little more nous about the way you share your view with this forum in the future
osiol 55 | 3,922  
16 Sep 2007 /  #559
most are to afraid to say it.

Idiots are afraid to speak their own minds.
You spoke your mind as well as being an idiot.

You've had your air-time.
You're not even here to discuss your points.
isthatu 3 | 1,164  
16 Sep 2007 /  #560
last group of people the channel islanders welcomed with open arms(and legs) was the whermacht.........
Basil  
17 Sep 2007 /  #561
Since the Polish arrived in Jersey the only Polish people I know of is through desperate blokes that have married some of them (just before the EU opened its doors), and these marriages have all but ended in disaster. Not forgetting the other family members that blokes have had to adopt as a condition of marrying a Polish girl. I think the Portuguese have always mixed a lot better with the English than the Polish and Jersey has a higher more dedicated Portuguese population. The Polish people in general are sour faced all the time, they make you feel depressed. Are they still living under communism? Restaurants have actually nose dived in service quality since Polish people have been employed. You just get the impression that they have come here because they have to and it we are partly to blame for it. I don’t agree with the comment “the English hate the Polish” because the English are a hell of lot welcoming that other Europeans, for example the French, but I am pushed to find that many locals that are that impressed with the general Polish attitude. We also know that when Polish people move into accommodation units they are known to "make up" complaints against other occupiers that are not Polish (mainly from the UK), in order to try and get them kicked out on purpose so that they can get Polish friends in as replacements (no bull). I have heard this on a number of occasions now, and luckily many landlords look out for this now, but in my mind that is just a selfish and mean attitude towards other people.
Ronek 1 | 261  
18 Sep 2007 /  #562
Basil

you're an idiot

that is just a selfish and mean attitude towards other people.

like you making up and writing this BS right now? grow up.
Irishgirl123 1 | 10  
18 Sep 2007 /  #563
Restaurants have actually nose dived in service quality since Polish people have been employed. You just get the impression that they have come here because they have to and it we are partly to blame for it.

Obviously I can't speak for what things are like in the UK, but here in Ireland I have noticed the exact opposite to be the case.....the Polish people who are working in our shops and restaurants are really efficient, polite, hard-working and reliable. Ok, so maybe they don't have a false smiley "hi, how are you today?" attitude....but I have noticed that if you make the effort and engage them in small talk they open up and show themselves to be witty and intelligent.

The Irish people who work in similar jobs tend to be a bit more lacks-a-daisy about their jobs.....and I often find the staff more interested in chatting among themselves and when you approach the counter to pay for something it's as if you are nothing more than an inconvenience.

Polish workers in the same situation NEVER chat among themselves....they are focused on their jobs and on the customer. And even though they are not overtly friendly, I think it is more from a slight shyness on their side and the fact that they are a little unsure of how Irish people feel towards them.
GREG gast  
18 Sep 2007 /  #564
but in my mind that is just a selfish and mean attitude towards other people.

And you stink.
Basil  
18 Sep 2007 /  #565
You obviously aren’t witnessing these things first hand.

Some of the responses to my Post are incredibly naive.

Even our Hospitality Industry has made requests for other nationals that are not from Poland, I.E New Zealand, Australia and even some parts of Africa. That in my mind speaks for itself.
CaringCarla - | 12  
18 Sep 2007 /  #566
Basil

I get the feeling this makes you very angry
Firestorm 6 | 400  
18 Sep 2007 /  #567
last group of people the channel islanders welcomed with open arms(and legs) was the whermacht.........

Lol
And we all know what happened to them.. (o_0)

Not forgetting the other family members that blokes have had to adopt

Sure your not confusing Russian Or Indian With Polish..?
Most Polish people i know. (And YES, I do know a lot) Come here in two's Or alone.
Their family stays at home.(In Poland)

so that they can get Polish friends in as replacements (no bull). I have heard this

Well. If you heard it. It MUST be true.

Maybe you should try to be more open towards them. Or a lil more welcoming.
Instead of Finding fault. Or Finding a reason to not like them. (Just a thought)
Basil  
18 Sep 2007 /  #568
Integration is something the Polish must work on as you cannot say it is solely up the English. You go to any country in Europe and if you do not make an effort to mix with the locals then you end up living a separate life altogether.

This I can only see now. Polish people at the moment only give the impression that they are not interested in the UK on any other level other to make money.

These are observations going back to the stupid changes in the EU, i.e a few years now.
CaringCarla - | 12  
18 Sep 2007 /  #569
Polish people at the moment only give the impression that they are not interested in the UK

and that makes you feel rejected?

I wonder where these feelings of rejection are coming from

where you breast fed?
Basil  
18 Sep 2007 /  #570
I find some of the responses childish. I am being serious here.

If Polish people don't want to mix, I couldn't care less. But I and others are already seeing a massive divide.

I even heard that a lot of Polish people have said that the English diet is rubbish!

Try telling a French man that French food is rubbish and watch the response, they will just tell you to go back home!

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