The Changing Face of Scotland - we need more immigrants!

You'll bet wrong then! No I don't take any benefits thanks. I will take them when I need them though...maternity etc, as required.


Good points. Most couples in Scotland now stop at 2 kids whereas before it would be 4 or 5 if not more. Careers have become more important. You're right, it does tend to be the unemployed who whinge on about Polish people "stealing" their jobs. Personally, if I was having bother getting a job I'd be out searching for one rather than spending hours on a forum moaning about it.

That's obvious.


Of what ?


More Poles are coming soon. When do you think they will fire you ? In 2 months ? 3 ?

I am a law student and scots law is unique so my job is safe, and we wiil see how many more poles are able to crawl here when the government places restrictions

I am subsidising your education at the moment and frankly I am disappointed.


Not if you hold racists views. Isn't there new laws about racism in Scotland ?

my dad pays £10,000 of tax a year, my family have wrked in scotland their whole lives, I have worked full time for 5 years before going to university.

you are not paying for my studies polak, how long have you been in the country. ????

On that sort of income, you'd think he would have paid for you to be better educated

I was also a student of Scots law for 4 years, and 1 of the top 3 highest scorers in a group of 45 students, but I wasn't guaranteed employment given the size of Scotland. I did a postgrad with a scholarship in International and European Law to increase my chances/options. Paying 10,000 in tax was the govt's decision, not that of immigrants.

There is no guaratee of a job after graduation in Scotland. Ask the thousands of graduates who are working in jobs that have nothing to do with their studies...

I am not blaming immigrants for my dad paying 10k in tax, I am saying thats how my education is paid for not from the small amounts of tax paid by immigrants wh have only been here for a few years, most of which gets rebated back to them

By people of all incomes paying taxes...

when poles have been here for only a few years and they claim education, housing, child benefits, income benefits etc. they are not contributing. not to mention the tax rebate they get when they leave.

HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO REPEAT THIS

What do u hope to be upon graduation?

Troll


TrollSuch, facistic nonsense...........

I can tell you that many people operate through contacts in law or closed circles if u plan to be an academic. It's not that easy, trust me. I was tipped to be an academic writer as I often scored well but I was soon woken up.

if you want to be a legal academic you need to go thru a legthy period of talking about nothing except the relevence of obscure legal suits which becomes very boring for all around you...

A toilet cleaner ( its one of his fixations ) since hes probably going to charged with incitement to racial hatred or something and so will be prevented from working in law.

Anyway, whats wrong with manual labour ?

well he's already perfected that one

so it seems

I was a grasscutter for 3 months back in 1996 when the minimum wage didn't even exist. I worked for 3.71 per hour and then 3.82 after my raise but my stomach was toned and I felt alive after it. Some of my studies bored me to tears. I was prepared to work in a deprived area as are Poles. There were druggies and rough guys aplenty and I worked on the same streets as they walked. I never complained, that's real world work and learning a social skill, survival, hehehe.

in scotland manual labour is an industry that attracts sub humans from the shallow end of the gene pool. unlike poland.

People do things for different reasons. Manual labour does attract some undesirables for sure but without these people, vital jobs wouldn't get done. Poles provide these skills through special technical schools which they call technicum

So Polish manual workers are of higher intelligence and have better social skills than Scottish ones?......

Scottish electricians are really good. I don't think it's a question of intelligence, more of skills for the jobs. Both Scots and Poles are pretty cluey when it comes to engineering. Scottish history points to us having the edge but it's not a competition

no, polish immigrants are ready to throw their education away and come to britain to do the most menial jobs

I won't deny a couple of my Polish friends have arrived in Scotland and worked in low paid jobs that didn't warrant their education from Poland. Really though, they were just working to make some money to establish themselves. Now they're in college (or graduated) and the low paid jobs are just seeing them through it.

Can't wait for you to try and land a job after graduation...

Noimmigration has a good point. Many Poles throw away their much cherished education to do menial work. As I've said on another thread, the salaries in Poland don't match their high level of education which is why they move. This needs to be addressed by Mr Tusk

I have found that what attracts the people you have described is in fact 'no labour at all' - the countless thousands of benefits dependant Scots who have forgotten how to survive and depend on the nanny state. Foreigners coming here to work is a good thing and they should be welcomed with open arms. As a tax payer, I would rather pay for 10 Polish immigrants tax rebates than 1 lazy unemployed Scot who threw away every opportunity given to them by the state funded education system they disrupted for 11 years of their life. Manual labour may not require intellect in general, but it does require a strong work ethic - something most Scots no longer have.

All but this part of your post I agree with. Unless of course you have met 'most' Scots...?

The reason why there are so many manual, menial low paid jobs vacant is because a Scot with no qualifications is in many cases better off on Benefits. It requires a strong work ethic to work a tough job when you'd be better off unemployed; whether it's out of pride, self respect or the fact that being jobless would bore you to tears. Therefore it would appear that most Scots in this situation are shying away from the low paid manual jobs and letting immigrants who are prepared to graft take the jobs.

Did you ever consider it was just the group of people you met that were 'dickheads' and not an entire nation? Haven't you come across a fellow group of Scots you could say that about - I know I have. Plenty of times. I didn't say 'oh the rest of Scotland are cun*s' because of it. I know a good few Polish people now through work. I'd also met a few before it. I have never came across any so 'rude' as you make them out. Maybe I'm lucky - but maybe you should consider that fact that you might have been unlucky in who you have met. Honestly, tell me you are so backward to attribute the personalities of the people you have met to an entire nation?

Polish people come here. Some just for work, some to live. Mostly, probably just to make a better life for themselves. Can you wish differently for somebody - deny them that because they were born on a different tract of land? Can't you imagine yourself in their shoes? If you have read that article, you will know we need immigrants...so if you still hold your views it must simply be for personal reasons...why?


If it comes down to work ethic, the first two reasons you give (pride, self-respect) for being unemployed rather than being in a manual labour job do not coincide with what you say of scots having a low work ethic - it implies they are jobless for reasons which have nothing to do with low work ethic at all.


People I work with say it all the time unfortunately. Representationally, this forum would make it seem so.