The Changing Face of Scotland - we need more immigrants!

You like people being anti-Polish?

I have absolutely no idea what you mean ! ;-)

Well, it's unwise to think that Polish people only live in the larger towns or the cities of Scotland and the anti-Polish sentiment is not, and hopefully never will "come into line" with the rest of the UK. Why should it? Why doesn't the rest of the UK come into line with Scotland?

I'm not saying anti-Polish (or anti-immigrant) feeling doesn't exist in Scotland but it is a lot less of an obvious feeling.


Working and living in Scotland (working with a large Polish group and also socialising) I have yet to see Scots go "out of their way" to integrate with Polish people. Individuals yes, but the fault of not integrating lies on both sides.

Whether it's right or wrong, a lot of Polish people arrive here (UK) with poor English speaking skills so it's natural to want to be in a social group you feel comfortable in eg - that you can comfortably communicate in.

2 that I know of...haven't really seen him with his shirt off. Although his girlfriend Shiba has about 8. Can multi-task with the best of them. :]


That'll all change soon. People will see the light, have no fear. :]

Do you spend much time in England?

Not in the last few weeks.

Why?

Just thought of something. Wouldn't it be great listening to a Scot trying to teach a Pole proper English. The two accents would be great. What would the Polish accent sound like trying to speak in a Scottish dialect?

So many funny images...

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Scots and Poles will get along great. They'll drink, dance, and play football together. That's the recipe for perfect harmony.

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Football match tomorrow, Inverness, Bught Park 1p.m.
Markinch ( a local area ) v Polonia
All Welcome.
Refreshments afterwards.
Just one example of the local community going out of their way to welcome Polish people.

Good to see...now if there were more of that... :)

There's one on the forum who is trying not to fall into that trap, from what I believe.


You, and others, seemed to be speaking so knowledgably about England. I was just wondering.
To me, it seems the ecomomical situation of a given area has much more effect on feelings about immigrants and so on. That's not to say it is a rich and poor thing because it is not. This 'given area' I mention is not something England-sized or Scotland-sized.


We had a similar kind of football match at last year's summer barbeque at work. Two of the Polish guys had no interest in playing football, and seemed much happier getting drunk with the rest of us. Despite this, Poland won 7-0. I could say it was the German who let us down.

Slow down, relax, breathe and practice saying "th". Polish already tend to roll their "r"s like locals.

Always is... :P

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Probably because they are around me too often, some of my Polish friends have picked up saying the words "aye", "cannae" and a few others like "dinnae" and "dae". The problem is, when I'm around them I become more "Scottish" when I not with them, I'm generally more well-spoken! :)


And others seem to speak so knowledgably about Scotland! I think that you are right about the economical situation of certain areas. As in, area's with higher un-employment may have a higher disregard for certain groups they think as the reason for the high un-employment.

This dates from 2005 but is an interesting link on the history of Scotland and Poland.

scotland.org/about/history-tradition-and-roots/features/culture/1576.html

At the bottom of the page there are more links. I must admit that I didn't know about the Polish Navy in WW2.

I know loads about Scotland - I've been to T in the Park, the Edinburgh fringe and a caravan holiday in Bridge of Allan aged 9. I've also drunk too much whisky (not this evening I hasten to add).

edit: I know just a little bit more, having read the above link.
No. I didn't just read the link - I read the page to which the link took my web-browser too.

That is a very interesting article, thanks for posting the link.

Quote from the above article: 'In 1656 a number of Scottish Highlanders who were disenchanted with Oliver Cromwell's rule went to Poland in the service of the King of Sweden.' That means as enemies :)

, Im sorry,Im Scots myself and all the but ,to be fair,apart from a few kosovans in the 1990s Scotland has not been the dumping ground for the worlds waifs strays and scroungers that england has been for the last 30 odd years. So maybe the rest of the UK is just that little bit ahead of you up over the border in being cheesed off at continualy having to adapt our lives to fit in with aliens with no wish to reciprocate.Dont tell me,yes glasgows got an asian mayor,not too many scots postal codes that dont have a single scots born person in them though is there?

And G' the idea of you in a Kilt is enough to turn anyones guts,please,stick to england and invest in a nice pinstripe and bowler hat.....

I dont imagine there are too many elsewhere in UK either, however I do know of a village near where I live that only has one Scots born family staying there. Still none of the issues that have arisen down south.

Hopefully these issues won't arise here.

This is another article from the same website about the links between Scotland and Poland.

scotland.org/about/innovation-and-creativity/features/culture/polish-business.html

Dont get me wrong,I hope not either(looking back at my posts on this thread I was turnning into Kilroy :( )


oh boy,yes there are,many,many areas in yorkshire and the midlands are almost without exeption "asian" communities, when I worked breifly in Sheffield I could go for days without hitting a "white" area. Whatever rocks your boat I say,but I do miss the fact we never seemed so polirised in the past in this country.No one beyond the far right types seemed to really care where people were from origionaly or what god(s) they bowed to,now......

Sorry, I thought you were referring to people that were not born there.

Another small article relating to the thread...

theherald.co.uk/news/news/display.var.1887868.0.scotland_will_need_20_000_migrants_every_year.php

There are many more articles to be read on this subject...but it is interesting to note from these articles and comments on the forum the differences in opinion North and South of the border and I'm not saying any of those opinions are wrong but for such a small country (UK), the opinions are massively different.

One more :)

dailyrecord.co.uk/news/editors-choice/2007/11/30/who-are-scotland-s-immigrants-86908-20183759/

personnaly I dont care where someone is born,my point was there are entire communities living seperate lives from each other now. When I visited Poland one time with some asian students they were stared at like aliens had landed,there are places now in yorkshire where "white british" people get the same reaction. Its awfull,its gone from being all mixed up,you know,streets that looked like Beneton adverts,to becoming ghettoised like the states with a this area or that area.....sad.

will not Gaga

Are they?

It's partly true that we need more immigrants. As a Scot, I think that part of the problem was the inability of Jack McConnell(ex), our First Minister in Scotland, to lure/entice Scots back to their homeland to and take up work there. We were in a position some years back where we had 21,000 graduates out of work. Rather than look harder, they upped sticks and headed for other shores. Having talked with Poles in Edinburgh (I am from Aberdeen), I know that they'd rather do 'worse' jobs in Scotland and live without excessive red tape. Also, Alex Salmond SNP, issued a warm welcome to Poles looking to set up shop in Scotland. Granted, there has been some conflict but very minimal overall. These immigrants add a positive new dimension for the most part and are well-educated. Besides, Scots and Poles are well-suited

********, you integrate with us. we should not be expected to bend over backwards acomodating poles like you. if yu dont like it go HOME

Rat, may you get HIV or cancer, that would remove one useless creature from this world.

What are you havering about now? I am home. I am living in the city of my birth. Do YOU actually integrate with ANYONE? Or do you sit in a darkened room thinking up the next load of bile you're going to puke up in here?