Foreigners: Please don't buy Polish Land!

Yes...being in their geographical position......but Poland..also invaded.....also expanded.....plus backed the french ......oh dear......hacked off the Germans.....my point to being that these countries don't forget...then.....all hell is to pay for the sins of your grandfather...great grandfather etc....back 500 years!!!

a fair enough assement, it goes to 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend' attitude. :)

Addendum, that attitude for irish on english and vice versa is NULL AND VOID. that was a long time ago to us now. the past - irish and english are not enemies. friendly sporting rivals only.

However, the Poles and Irish themselves have got on famously! in my experiences and i think i can say, in Franks too!

See a previous Post Puzzler......."the saying in Ireland was "Englands enemy was our ( Irelands) friend..."...however misguided and perverse that now seems.

Puzzler...I only wish our new EU friends Poland/Estonia/Lithuania...all the very best.....

of course of course i agree with that.


you swine you! :P what about bulgaria? romania? the others???? :) joking bud, wiem to you meant them tez

Frank, how did you calculate it that the 'outcomes' (of Poland's joining Napoleon) were '10/20/30 times worse than ... for the irish' (sic)? What do you mean that 'in the hindsight it all went wrong'? Do you mean that we had a better choice than joining Napoleon, but we didn't make the choice? :)

the casualties for starters?


well napoleon lost, and the role that the french and its allies played was not forgotten, hence, in hindsight, it all went wrong (wouldnt you agree? - it went wrong for the irish who fought too! though there were more polish in napoleons army than irish (hence 10/20/30 times worse statement again)


moot point. i think he was just saying, it backfired. it may have seemed the right move, but unfortunatly it ended up becoming a very costly choice. a better choice is unknown and it is not what is being suggested.

Poland had a few foreign kings. Why would you say we had them because we became disenchanted with our own kings? Were the English disenchanted with English kings when royals of German extraction ruled England? :)

Daffy, thanks, but would you let Frank speak when I ask him questions? :)

still do and all :) the house of windsor is of german not english origin


moze. Ale jestam 'big brother' :)

(nie, nie, nie - ok)

You were a far bigger country.....more damage was done, more to loose....all Ireland had was bogs , pigs and potatoes....no other natural resources etc.

Hindsight.....Napoleon, lost......you were in league with him...Russia..didnt forget.....

Not sure what other choices were available at the time...


Is this an exam P...lol...

Hm, so by the '10/20/30' times worse consequences for Poland is meant the allegedly higher number of Polish casualties? I'm not sure if more Poles or Irish perished throughout our both countries' tragic history. As you have suggested yourselves, you had 800 years of oppression, and we Poles 'just' some 200 years in total.

Can I wish you both a pleasant weekend...speak tomorrow....

OK, speak both at the same time, I don't care. :) Why would you consider our exchange an 'exam,' Frank? Aren't we just discussing, and civilly at that, just as the best in Europe advised to do? :)

you can :) but expect me to wish you the very same!!! (the audacity!!!)

Have a nice weekend, Frank. See you tomorrow. :)

TheDude is happy to finally see everyone getting along :)

yes but we have a far SMALLER population. look at today for example poland just short of 40million, Ireland just short of 5million!


yes, happily so puzzler! its great to talk it out


:) witam

Well, we can also look at the percentage of casualties throughout history. wouldn't the Irish one be higher? I'm not sure. :)

Daffy, I meant Plato, Socrates. :) But yes, Daffy (and Puzzler) are like them when we behave as they taught us to do. :)

im not able to say as i dont know but i ireland was occupied by one country, with unrest, whereas poland was trampled on by both sides at many stages, and did alot of fighting too, on scales ireland could never have acheived. This is not a critisism at all by the way. merely an observation of the size of the nations and the fact that poland saw far greater and bigger conflict than ireland i would think. yes ireland suffered under occupation but the causualties id imagine were greater on your side? dont you think?


i know you meant 'the best in europe', i took it to mean all people of europe who advocated fairness, justice, logic, tolerance etc. which your right of course to include such notabless as socrates and plato (whos influences are at the core of European Union im happy to report :))

I'm not sure, Daffy, re the number of casualties. What the percentage would be for Poland and Ireland? Besides, so many of you have immigrated, far more than us. How about the potato famine? How many perished?

I've just read Frank's best wishes for the new EU members, including Poland. Sorry, I didn't notice the post before. Thanks , Frankie. You Irish - real Irish, from Ireland - are sweet people, we Poles know that. I've heard about a Polish rock love song titled 'I love You Like Ireland.' :)

maybe worth looking up, but im contented enough that it was higher than it needed to be for either side and its not a competition who has the bigger...ahem :)


this has no bearing on casulaties, in fact, this would help keep our casualites low as they left for the hope of freedom and better life.


we had 800 years of practise in fairness and it only took one decade for that to change BIG time (celtic tigar - thanks to EU)


that not casualty of war - the famine was a natural agricultural disaster. Though again, it was part of the reasons irish emigrated and why the english were hated as they used it to convert catholics to protestants for soup!! and didnt help the irish english relations in those times.

However, bottom line is, Ireland and England are friends now. and it is a matter of time, for time heals all wounds as is evidence by Ireland and Englands nearly MILLENIUM worth of hatred to reconcile, that germans, polish & russians will find common ground. As the great Europeans taught also and as christ did. and for our futures. let us hope and work towards this. (i know its not easy - but the things in life that are truly worth the effort are usually hard)

Daffy, re the reconcilliation and common ground, I hope for it too. Otherwise, Europe is gone. We should never-ever allow it to happen. :)

I gotta go now, unfortunately. Good night, and see you tomorrow some time. Best. :)

all the best!!


great to hear you feel this too!
there is hope for europe

Dobranoc!!

Oh My God Ola123, I can't believe you even wrote that!!! I think that is your point of view only, and you are giving Polish people a very bad reputation by writing nasty things like that! If there is a property for sale and I have the money to buy it then I will!!! I have never come across any Polish person telling me something like you have said!

Wake up to yourself! English people bring a lot of money into Poland, set up business and give Polish people jobs! You should be grateful people want to invest in Poland not angry.

yea, poland is turning into one of the most successful accession states in the EU!! it will be a stronger economey sooner than any of the last entries

A guy, who buy a flat just to sell It for more in a year is not giving jobs to anyone.

there are polish people doing this. in Wroclaw my friends fiance works in real estate and is doing this everyday. its not as many foreigners as you'd think.

there are many people doing this.

Daffy.....can you contact me by e-mail..its in my profile....gotta go out now, get back to you later.....thanks.!

it does if you are blaming them for what is happening to the prices. they are the minority and it is typical in all countries to blame foreigners for your own situation.

are you blaming them for the situation?

if yes, then it makes your post incorrect
if no, then it is an addition to your post

So you want the Soviets back in control ?
The solution is simple don't sell Polish land to foreigners, and don't buy Zywiec and Tyskie as they are not owned by Polish companies. Capitalism is here Ola and it will never leave and if Polska is to compete Poles must open their minds to new ideas and to business. Its a sad truth about the modern world and remember we voted to join the E.U.

Quoting: Grzegorz_
A guy, who buy a flat just to sell It for more in a year is not giving jobs to anyone.

I would say, yes, he is, if he uses Polish labor to fix it up or to farm it or work on it or to build the house on it.

Quoting Daffy: there are polish people doing this. in Wroclaw my friends fiance works in real estate and is doing this everyday. its not as many foreigners as you'd think.

To Daffy (I agree) and all others, I'd say this:

Here in the US you can buy a home in California for $100,000 today, add $30,000 in repairs and tomorrow or next week sell it for $500,000 (if you did the right work inside to fix it up). They call it "flipping". I used to be in real estate and this was common enough ten years ago, though it is much more popular now.

Even here in the East, far away from any major, growing, economically stable US city, you can buy for $150,000 today, do nothing at all to the property, live in it, then sell five years from now for $50-70,000 more than you paid.

Everyone does this here.

How is this a terrible thing? If you are smart and maintain the home well and hang onto your property for a bit, it will appreciate and you can sell to whoever you choose and then become rich from it. Then you buy a bigger, better property with the money you made from the first one.

This is a bad thing?

I guess I need to read up on this phenomenon over there as everyone seems so angry about it, but to me, this is life, everyday, in the US, and has been for as long as I can remember.

Can someone give me a link showing this foreign purchasing of Polish property so I can see what they mean?

Happy Monday (to those so inclined to receive such greetings)!