POLES STILL NEED VISAS TO THE U.S.A!!

Fair enough.

But if the average person you say this bothers really thinks the USA as a whole cares that they think about this they are kidding themselves.

Just like Poland as a country could care less that I have trouble getting anything done here.

I think lots of people imagine themselves to be more important to others than is reality.

Well you care a little, or else why take the time to comment? :-)

I don't think you have anything against the US either. Personally, I'd rather not snub 40 million people because in the greater scheme you need allies, in which Poland is one.

However, GTD's comments about the hypocrisy of this matter are probably true.

It't not a 'snub' to require people to follow the rules. That's the differentiation a lot of people can't get. They act like Poland is being abused or mistreated when they are simply being required to do the same thing EVERY OTHER COUNTRY is.

True, however one get's the feeling that it is the american side that got more from those deals than Poland. What exactly did Poland gain in sending it's troops to Iraq or Afganistan? The F16 deal also wasn't the most fortunate one. Still I don't blame america that they wanted to gain something but rather polish diplomats as they f/ckd up big time.

Ok, have to go. See you later.

There is a lot of illegals coming here from all around the world, mainly South America. I can't blame them for trying to better their lives, but I do blame my government for letting this happened. The Government needs to implement things like visas and secure the borders.

As far as illegals from Poland, they are still coming here too, although I think it would be smarter for them to work legally in Western Europe. They just don't realize how difficult it would be for them to compete with Mexicans in the illegal job market. Just because i make $33/hour it doesn't mean that if you're looking for an illegal job you'll make the same money. We're talking $4-6/hour for crappy jobs.

I met one of the illegals from Poland just last week: no English, no permit for work, expired tourist visa, and I'm thinking to myself: "Why wouldn't you work legally in Western Europe, with health insurance, paying taxes and so on rather then be an illegal here?" It makes no sense to me.

As I have mentioned a couple of years ago, America will BEG Poles, Mexicans, and other hard working nations to come to the US and do the job for them.

RIIIGGGHT!

Hard working has nothing to do with it. Poorer nations always flock to richer ones for money and work. Poland has people from poorer countries working in restaurants and labor jobs as well. It trickles down hill. There is nothing inherently more hard working about Polish people or Mexicans either. When a nation becomes comfortable they always hire out the less desirable jobs to people willing to take less pay and like I said above Poland it no different. Look at all the Chinese being hired to do construction etc here in Warsaw.

LOL Did somebody forget to take his happy pills today, HELLO?

Typical of an American, you believe rules are made by God and are perfect. That's why it's so easy to manipulate the American nation - just tell them it is the rule or the law [made by some moronic senator or president], and they would tell you "we are one nation, we follow our [idiotic] rules, God bless America!"


That applies to people too, "my friend" [quoted McCain]. In fact, it was two-faced Americans who devaluated the word "friend" to the point that when someone here calls me "a friend" I become alert and hold on to my wallet and watch if my family isn't in danger.

Wow you are insane. I never said that and do not think that.

You are clearly a racist and care nothing about fairness in this instance.

Just as some Americans act in ways that make the USA look bad you are embarrassing your country. I feel pity for the good Poles who have to fight the image people like you give to the world.

HELLO just got on his soap box about how much he hates the USA. Watch out, he is just worming up :) Once he gets going, he can do it for hours at a time.

Somebody please give him some PROZAC quick!
LMAO

I'm not a racist at all, this is what I learned after having lived in the US for 10 years now. I just cannot stand the fact the Americans as a nation are so manipulated to the point they belive nonsense and don't know how to recognize good from wrong any more. Americans as people are not to blame because they are like any other people - the US government and the social system supported by the government and corporations are what causes it.

Well good, you can go home now. Why are you staying in a country that you hate so much?
Bye-bye now!

"Typical of an American....believe rules are from God"

Yep..racist...and incredibly hypocritical.

The funniest thing here is that our government insist on being American pet dogs (see: buying old F-16s, 'Missile shield', engagement in USA's little dirty oil wars, etc.).

The missile shield was approved because Poland is scared of Russia's intentions. Poland said no to it until Georgia was invaded. You cannot tell me that is being a US lapdog...that is self preservation.

Poland buys what it can afford. How many F-22s (were they for sale) do you think Poland could buy? One? Maybe two?

The Polish military is in Iraq to get experience at warfighting which could be invaluable if Poland ever needs to defend itself. They also get a TON of support from the US financially, training and equipment wise. You act like they are there for some nefarious reason and the US is tricking them somehow. They CHOOSE to be there.

I don't think most of you would ever be happy unless Poland rules the world and everyone worshiped at the feet of the mermaid...errr...tail of the mermaid?

It's becoming a target for Russian nukes and possible gas/oil cut-offs (are USA going to secure Poland's energy supply continuity ?). Besides this shield has not got any proven real effectiveness. It's a tremendous business for American armament industry. Poland is a mere puppet here (sadly by its own wish).


You buy equipment by means of _tenders_. Who said it would be F-22 ? And Americans failed to carry on with the offset in time, despite of being bound by the deal.

Well then Bartolome, forget the Missile Difference Shield, forget NATO, go down on your knees and beg the Russkis for forgives. What's stopping you?

Nobody's going to beg anybody. We're EU members, which you seem to forget very easily. Our place is in Europe, not being some retarded 51st state (whose citizens still need visas). And NATO is not only America. We haven't signed any missile deals with the UK, France or Germany.

I think that the missile shield was approved before, this was just good opportunity to inform public opinion.

Being a US citizen now, America is my home. Just like your grandparents came here possibly from another peasant country and become citizens. And now more than ever I have the right to ***** about what I don't like here because I want my living standard and neighbourhoods to improve.


You have probably been taught at school that anything you don't agree with you can always call "racist" and possibly get money from it. That's one of the things I'm talking about - from the very school year children get soaked with the rotten system, they teach children how to sue their parents for spanking them or how to get money when purposely getting run over a car. The system is completely rotten yet most Americans don't realize that - and that's what I'm mad at.

Hello you are not an expert on the American educational system. Your opinion is simply that.

If I said the things you say I would be told to "leave then" by people here...in fact I have been told that.

And...Poland IS a Russian target missile shield or not.

Strategically and out of Putin's grudge against all former Soviet areas.

Poland NEEDS help from more powerful nations but the ego makes it so hard to admit or accept.

Polish politicians have absolutely nothing to say about the future shape of the EU. How honorable is this position?

You can always beg the Russkies for forgiveness, dude.

Or build your own Missile Difference Shield and pay for it yourself!

You want the USA to pay for your Missile Difference Shield and you cant shut up about it how the USA should not only give you the Shield but also give you cash on top of that? That's exactly why I think US should stop defending other countrys, ie. Europe, let them spend their own money on their own defense.

Stop posting about problems that you don't understand.

The EU cares about Poland just like the USA does...as much as it serves them. People act like it is some personal attack on Poland when the fact is all nations are self serving.

You know what the West of the EU sees Poland as? A buffer between Russia and a source of cheaper labor. And that fact really irritates Poles...rightly so. But instead of acknowledging that Poles are no different and would be exactly the same if they were in the West and say UK was up against the Bear most Poles act superior and egotistical about it...as if their sh!t doesn't stink.

Most people are selfish...it is a fact. Nations are bigger gatherings of selfishness. It is life and yeah it sucks but it is not a conspiracy against Poland.

how old are you lesser, 12?

That's why they should focus on making Poland stronger in terms of economy.


What the fcuk are you babbling about ? I don't want any foreign forces on Polish soil. We're members of NATO and the EU. That's enough for me.


It's not ours it's American. Poland will host it, but the buttons will be pushed by Americans.

wow, for a person who wanted this thread deleted....it's kind of hypocritical that you are the main participator of the thread.
Anyway, I thought you had enough of this forum ???

So I should stand by while people lie and make things up because they are feeling shunned? Not hypocritical at all. I still would like the racist "f@#k the USA" type stuff deleted. Anything critical said about Poland is met with a barrage of insults...yet people can slag off the USA all day and they get cheered on. THAT is hypocrisy.

An yeah I have had plenty enough of smarmy comments from people like you. Thankfully there are some decent folks here with real info.

After a bunch of nonsense and outright misinformation Harry gave me valid help. Too bad more people can't follow his lead.