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OP freebird 3 | 532  
25 Mar 2009 /  #211
we regained our independence with our own strenght (though not without support).

Sokrates, make up your mind man. Which part of your Statement is right? You regained your independence on your own or with our support?
Something is not adding up here, lol.
Wahldo  
25 Mar 2009 /  #212
Sokrates, make up your mind man. Which part of your Statement is right? You regained your independence on your own or with our support?

Yeah, ever the savant, Sokrates. Of course the US bankrupting the USSR didn't help Poland in the least. Sokrates you get the revisionist historian crown for today.
OP freebird 3 | 532  
25 Mar 2009 /  #213
Sokrates you get the revisionist historian crown for today.

At least for today LOL
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
25 Mar 2009 /  #214
I think Bush called a few people that :)
lesser 4 | 1,311  
25 Mar 2009 /  #215
What ever happened to the EEC which i think became the EC?.
i haven't heard anything about it for years.

There were three communities, Coal and Steel (expired), Atomic and Economic. Together it is called EC. Up to now the European Union does not have legal personality! The EU would be established if Treaty of Lisbon (former Constitutional Treaty) would be accepted by all member states.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
25 Mar 2009 /  #216
Euratom and the EC each have their distinct legal personality. At present, they have the common foreign and security policy (CFSP), coupled with police and judicial cooperation. They can freely act in concert with Interpol.

Agreements can still be concluded through the Council of the European Union but it still stands on a shaky footing.
Sokrates 8 | 3,346  
25 Mar 2009 /  #217
Sokrates, make up your mind man. Which part of your Statement is right? You regained your independence on your own or with our support?
Something is not adding up here, lol.

We regained independence on our own as in, we would do it with or without support but support made it easier, better now?
OP freebird 3 | 532  
25 Mar 2009 /  #218
better now?

well, not really because to be honest saying that you would have regained your independence on your own without any help is unrealistic. I'm sure, deep down inside of you, you know I'm right and if you don't Sokrates, I must say, you're fooling yourself. I've met many Polish people who totally disagree with your point so I know, you're not talking for all Poles. Most of Poles don't give a damn for Soviets (now Russians). Actually, I've met in Poland more people hating Russians that Germans. Obviously you can choose your friends and share your sympathy with whoever you want but at least don't deny historical facts.
Harry  
26 Mar 2009 /  #219
but at least don't deny historical facts.

You aren't very familiar with Sokrates are you? Not only does he deny historical facts, he calls the police and tries to report people for the crime of insulting the Polish nation when they post historical facts here.

Unfortunately for him the police just laugh at him and tell him to get a life. So he comes here and lies about how long it took "last time" he reported somebody to the police for this 'crime'.
1jola 14 | 1,879  
26 Mar 2009 /  #220
You know you're starting to become PF village idiot with your anti-Polonism, Poland had nothing to do with troops being sent, the communist goverment was not representative of Poland or Polish people, it was an enforced upon us by Russia

Harry is our village idiot. After 12 years in Poland he still doesn't understand that all military decisions came from the Kreml.
Harry  
26 Mar 2009 /  #221
After 12 years in Poland he still doesn't understand that all military decisions came from the Kreml.

So you mean that the Polish troops were only following orders? "I was only following orders," is known as the Nuremberg defence and was used, unsucessfully, to defend many Nazi criminals. How strange to see a Pole using it to defend Polish criminals.
miranda  
26 Mar 2009 /  #222
really Harry, you are being pathetic here:)
1jola 14 | 1,879  
26 Mar 2009 /  #223
The Pope came about 60 yrs later.
Other than WW2, Poland did nothing to free themselves from communism other than Lech Walensa.

Oh, Gawd, not another Polish history buff.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
26 Mar 2009 /  #224
It wasn't so easy, nunczka. Have you ever talked face-to-face with Poles who lived through these times? More could have been done perhaps but stiff penalties lay in store for those who got too smart. That was deterrent enough.
Harry  
26 Mar 2009 /  #225
Oh, Gawd, not another Polish history buff.

And one so bad that even you and I agree that she's a moron!
Sokrates 8 | 3,346  
26 Mar 2009 /  #226
So you mean that the Polish troops were only following orders?

I mean that Polish troops would get shot and Poland would get invaded by Russia in case it did not comply and you know it, in fact there were mass desertions among troops destined for Czechoslovakia.

Also given Czech attempts to annex the Kłodzko region directly after the war there was not that much social unrest over it but still Polish nation did not want nor supported it and it was not a Polish decision or a Polish move.
sjam 2 | 541  
26 Mar 2009 /  #227
Basic History really. Well, tracing it back yes. The ECSC was the most noteworthy form of solidarity between France and Germany. I think it was largely coincidental.

Józef Hieronim Retinger was a WWII Polish political adviser and a founder of the European Movement instrumental in the founding of the European Union.

Retinger was Eminence Grise to General Sikorski and the Polish-government -in-exile and in 1944, he parachuted into occupied Poland at age 56, with Tadeusz Chciuk-Celt, in Operation Salamander. Retinger was the oldest of the trained cichociemni to parachute back into Poland. His precise role in WWII is still very much shrouded in mystery. When the RAF dakota was picking up the V2 rocket parts from Poland under Operation Wildhorn III to ship them back to England the orders were that if the Germans discovered the operation Retinger was the priority— all else and everyone else were expendable.

Such was the mystery surrounding Retinger's role with the Polish Government and his secret mission in Poland that the AK who were not informed about the nature of the mission totally mistrusted Retinger and repeatedly sabotaged it; Retinger was robbed of his papers and prevented from boarding an urgent return flight from Poland codenamed Operation Wildhorn II. Rogue elements within the AK (Home Army) even ordered Retinger to be 'liquidated' during summer of 1944. Several attempts were made on his life, the last being when an AK nurse named Izabela Horodecka, who was assigned to Unit 993-W of the Home Army (which specialised in targeted killings) was to give him a lethal substance but she adminstered only about half the dose. So Retingner survived the poisoning, but was delayed by two months in returning to London, and he was still paralysed for a few months afterward. Cichociemni Marek 'Celt' had to carry him on board the RAF dakota during Operation Wildhorn III, Retinger arrived safely back in England along with cases of captured V2 rocket parts and several Polish intelligence agents. Retigner's mission reports were not documented and as he reported directly (and only) to the Polish P.M. the exact nature of his missions are not preserved.

See Z Retingerem do Warszawy i z Powrotem by Marek Celt.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
26 Mar 2009 /  #228
Nice little excerpt but it appears to be on a tangent.
Sokrates 8 | 3,346  
26 Mar 2009 /  #229
well, not really because to be honest saying that you would have regained your independence on your own without any help is unrealistic.

And who and how did help Poland regain its independence? Let me rephrase, Russia was collapsing under the weight of its own failing economy and Poles simply overthrew the Russian-puppet goverment in Poland and took their own independence.

There was no international pressure on Russia, no massive financial support, whats unrealistic to my statement?
sjam 2 | 541  
26 Mar 2009 /  #230
Nice little excerpt but it appears to be on a tangent.

America paved the way for the modern EU. France and Germany came together just at the time of Stalin's death actually. Stalin passed away in 1953 which was when the ECSC (European Coal and Steel Community) was founded. It was the predecessor of the EEC which was formed in 1957. Then the EC, then the EU.

If you mention the founding of the EU you need to also mention Retinger; who was more instrumental in creating what became the EU than probably any other individual :-))))
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
26 Mar 2009 /  #231
Well, not really. The ECSC maybe. The build up to the EU took quite a while.
sjam 2 | 541  
26 Mar 2009 /  #232
IMO. Without the catalyst of the European Movement the E.U. would not have happened.

Retigner also initiated the influential Bilderberg Group and was its permanent secretary until he died in 1960... he was certainly a most influential Pole in European history!

Because of its secrecy and refusal to issue news releases, the Bilderberg Group is frequently accused of secretive and nefarious world plots.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilderberg_Group#Conspiracy_theories
Harry  
26 Mar 2009 /  #233
I mean that Polish troops would get shot and Poland would get invaded by Russia in case it did not comply and you know it, in fact there were mass desertions among troops destined for Czechoslovakia.

Do you have any evidence at all for any of that? No.

The President of Romania openly opposed the invasion which Poland was 'forced' to take part in. Why was he not shot? Albania so strongly opposed the invasion that it withdraw from the Warsaw pact over the matter. Why was it not invaded?

Also given Czech attempts to annex the Kłodzko region directly after the war there was not that much social unrest over it but still Polish nation did not want nor supported it and it was not a Polish decision or a Polish move.

The Polish nation sent 28,000 of its best soldiers to invade a sovereign state and, with the exception of one brave man, not a single Pole protested.
OP freebird 3 | 532  
26 Mar 2009 /  #234
Unfortunately for him the police just laugh at him and tell him to get a life. So he comes here and lies about how long it took "last time" he reported somebody to the police for this 'crime'.

Oh OK, it's all clear now. I won't waste my precious time anymore. Thanks brother.
Crow 139 | 8,630  
26 Mar 2009 /  #235
burning American flag

just to tell you,... nice feeling
Harry  
26 Mar 2009 /  #236
burning American flag
just to tell you,... nice feeling

Bombing Serbia (from what my RAF friends tell me) is a very nice feeling.
Sokrates 8 | 3,346  
26 Mar 2009 /  #237
The Polish nation sent 28,000 of its best soldiers to invade a sovereign state and, with the exception of one brave man, not a single Pole protested.

And then we murdered jewish babies, over a campfire :-=) You're on the roll mate, as always.
Crow 139 | 8,630  
26 Mar 2009 /  #238
Bombing Serbia (from what my RAF friends tell me) is a very nice feeling.

monstruous

why you think that you can speak like that on Polishforums, among Poles? Poles are Slavs, true Slavs, elite of our kind- Sarmatians, they won`t like you because of such a statements
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
26 Mar 2009 /  #239
Sjam, Jesus wept! Do you even know what the 'influential' Bilderberg Group is? For crying out loud!

Trouble maker would be more to the point. Many made noises after the war, sjam. Just read Yalta and Tehran. It took 8 years before anything slightly meaningful was signed in the context of international relations and intergovernmental cooperation. Even the Genocide Convention was pushed through before the ECSC.
sjam 2 | 541  
26 Mar 2009 /  #240
I do... Bilderberg Group is often accused by the usual bunch of conspiracy theorists of deciding the fate of the world behind closed doors and some even say the politicans and industrialists that make up the Bilderberg Group are a shadow global government :-) Like the Carlists, Freemasons and all the rest.

I wouldn't classify Retinger as a trouble maker, a founding spirit of the E.U. would be a more accurate description.
Not sure what Tehran and Yalta had to with the creation of the E.U. though pray tell?

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