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Some Poles burning American flag


celinski 31 | 1,258  
23 Mar 2009 /  #151
saw it today on TV. Do you think it's OK?

"Some Poles burning American flag"

I found nothing on this.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
23 Mar 2009 /  #152
Spot on, Joe. The Neocons looked for fractious opportunities, the classic divide and conquer approach, ripe for the pickings.

Obama is treading a more cautious line. Seeking a dialogue with Russia is a better way. Putin has been asking for more of this and will reciprocate in kind. I hope he hushes Biden. That man is trouble!
Pinching Pete - | 558  
23 Mar 2009 /  #153
"Some Poles burning American flag"

I found nothing on this.

That's probably because like 3 -4 people did it. Typical European press.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
23 Mar 2009 /  #154
Well, I read some European press and I didn't find it here either.

I don't know where it was pulled from and I don't think it's worthy of much comment. Most Poles just get on with their lives in their little groups. They don't hate America that much. Some hardliners do but they are the exception to the rule.
Wroclaw 44 | 5,387  
23 Mar 2009 /  #155
Thread posted Jun 13, 07, 13:00

It was years ago
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
23 Mar 2009 /  #156
How about extending the edit function to an hour? LOL

A nice time to close the thread :)
joepilsudski 26 | 1,389  
24 Mar 2009 /  #157
Spot on, Joe. The Neocons looked for fractious opportunities, the classic divide and conquer approach, ripe for the pickings.

Obama is treading a more cautious line. Seeking a dialogue with Russia is a better way. Putin has been asking for more of this and will reciprocate in kind. I hope he hushes Biden. That man is trouble!

Yes...There is no need for confrontations or wars in this day and age, especially in Europe which has experienced so much of this...The only justified wars are defensive ones, like the actions the Russians took in Georgia, or the reaction of Palestinians to Israeli ethnic cleansing...But what do the big prosperous nations have to gain from this confrontation with other civilized nations?...Nothing...Now, in America, we are gearing up for a possible confrontation with the tyranny that has been imposed on us by outside forces who hate what America really stood for, which was freedom...It is possible we may have a second American revolution here...Some blood may be spilled, but I think it more likely that the revolt will come from a grass roots swell of 'civil disobedience' to our treacherous government, and that we will find other means to topple them.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
24 Mar 2009 /  #158
I think talk of revolution is a bit OTT though I don't live in America so it's hard to say. Civil rights will be the next hot potato. HB was right to say that Americans didn't accept civil rights infractions but sometimes they aren't even aware of the encroachments into their freedom. The key word here is awareness.

Well, Joe and others actually discuss issues which helps to confirm or negate what I have read. You don't know what goes on in all channels of government either, laddie.

It was you who said how shady politicians are in Chicago, that gave me a clear enough picture.

Coming from a twat from tv nation itself. Go back and live in your bubble, your movie life.
VaFunkoolo 6 | 654  
24 Mar 2009 /  #159
You dont know how we live except what you see on t.v. its not reality

Mate, I dont want to disagree with you but much of what I have seen of American life is very similar to what I see on TV... as silly as it may sound, this was the impression I got...
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
24 Mar 2009 /  #160
I heard from a really cool and smart guy that Poland was meant to benefit from an American scheme but the Americans pulled the plug. This made many angry. Pretense and pretext, the hallmarks of the American administration. Come on Obama, you can take things forward!

So enlighten us then, or do you wish to discuss something Polish?

Sledz, some take drugs, many work hard, there is a crisis. Many drink coffee and eat fast food. Many go to gyms. There is very little mystical about America. You make it out like it's something special.

Burning the flag is justified if we consider what American troops did to the Afghans over there. Even Richard Perle described it as unjustifiable. They slaughtered them and also transported them without water in cattle trucks. They had to lick the sweat off of one another as they had no other option.

What about Gitmo? Torture is not a sure-fire method of extracting the truth, it's just for venting. Obama did well in closing it down.

The number of innocent deaths from America and their proxy, Israel, defies belief.
OP freebird 3 | 532  
24 Mar 2009 /  #161
Burning the flag is justified if we consider what American troops did to the Afghans over there

Hell Seanus, let's burn all the freaking flags of all countries including yours. There's no country in the entire World that never did something wrong.
szkotja2007 27 | 1,499  
24 Mar 2009 /  #162
There's no country in the entire World that never did something wrong.

What has Greenland ever done wrong ?
Sokrates 8 | 3,346  
24 Mar 2009 /  #163
Hell Seanus, let's burn all the freaking flags of all countries including yours. There's no country in the entire World that never did something wrong.

There's a difference between casual burning of flags and burning a flag as a form of protest, especially a justified protest, blanket statements like that will not change it.
OP freebird 3 | 532  
24 Mar 2009 /  #164
Ok Sokrates, so you want me to mention what exactly Brits, Russians, Poles, Germans etc. did in the past to justify my statement, right?
I guess you're smart enough to know all these historical facts so I won't waste my time digging in it. What I'm saying is, if it's OK to burn the American flag it should all right with you guys to burn you countries flags too.
Sokrates 8 | 3,346  
24 Mar 2009 /  #165
Ok Sokrates, so you want me to mention what exactly Brits, Russians, Poles, Germans etc. did in the past to justify my statement, right?

Did, yes. Do? No.

Unless you want to burn a flag over something that happened X centuries ago, whereas people protest whats happening now.

it's OK to burn the American flag it should all right with you guys to burn you countries flags too.

If its in regards to something that my country does currently and its a thing worth protesting than of course.
OP freebird 3 | 532  
24 Mar 2009 /  #166
Sokrates

Well, I tell you how I feel about that Sokrates. It's all about sympathy to a certain country. Someone who likes Americans will not burn our flag even if the person disagrees with the US policy. I like Poles so I wouldn't burn your flag because I know it would hurt you guys (at least most of you). I personally wouldn't burn any flag because all it does is to stir up hatred between people instead to create understanding and maybe even friendship.

Have a good one :-)
HatefulBunch397 - | 658  
24 Mar 2009 /  #167
Hell Seanus, let's burn all the freaking flags of all countries including yours. There's no country in the entire World that never did something wrong.

If you burn one flag you gotta burn them all.
Sokrates 8 | 3,346  
24 Mar 2009 /  #169
It's all about sympathy to a certain country.

Not for me it isnt, i'll quote Voltaire "i dont like what you're saying but i'll defend to death your right to say it".

Burning a flag of any country as a form of protest, especially if the protest concerns some difficult and drastic issue is acceptable for me as i see it as an extention of freedom of speech and expression, i would not like seeing Polish flag burned but if it was for a serious cause i'd roll with it.

Personally i cant see myself burning any flag since i know how much mine matters for me but freedom of expression and speech is a pillar of healthy society, sometimes it leads to uncomfortable things but its neccesary.
OP freebird 3 | 532  
24 Mar 2009 /  #170
Personally i cant see myself burning any flag since i know how much mine matters for me

my words Sokrates :-)
To be honest it doesn't even matter if we agree to this subject as long as we are able to communicate and possibly by chance drink one or two beers whenever and wherever we may meet, right? :-)
Frania32 - | 3  
24 Mar 2009 /  #171
I see a lot of hate for America in here from Europeans. It might be a good idea for you all to remember WW2. I look at my Grandfather who lost his legs in WW2, fighting a war to give you Europeans freedom. Lets look back at America sacrificed for your freedom.

Americans killed in WW2 405,399
Normandy 9,328
Henri-Chappel in Belgium 7,989 60% dug up and sent home
Ardeness Battle of the Bulge 5,328
Rhineland Unknown
Remagan Unknown
Rhur Valley Unknown
Meuse-Argonne Unknown
Verdun ETC

WHY?? you ungrateful BASTARDS
Sokrates 8 | 3,346  
24 Mar 2009 /  #172
I see a lot of hate for America in here from Europeans. It might be a good idea for you all to remember WW2

Which Russia won.

fighting a war to give you Europeans freedom

Fighting a war to protect American influence in the West.

Lets look back at America sacrificed for your freedom.

Nothing, not a penny, America was fighting to stop a hegemony from rising in Europe, freedom of Europeans was an issue as far as newsreels were concerned, it was in reality cold hard politics.

WHY?? you ungrateful BASTARDS

Why us educated bastards who have some idea what we're talking about:)

Ps. I'm Polish. USA never EVER fought for my freedom, USA sold my country to Russia so dont you even dare calling me ungratefull or a bastard, if anyone is one its you, and not ungratefull just ignorant.

Poland does not owe USA anything, on the other side USA probably owes Poland its won war of independence (read up on Kościuszko), while i firmly believe US to be the greatest country and nation currently the only thing Poland owes you is a kick in the shin.
OP freebird 3 | 532  
24 Mar 2009 /  #173
Which Russia won

C'mon Sokrates. Now you disappointed me a little. Please answer my question, do you seriously believe that Soviet Union would beat the Germans without American military equipment support?
Sokrates 8 | 3,346  
24 Mar 2009 /  #174
What you dont learn in schools i bet is that the amount of hardware sent by LL was absolutely minuscule compared to resources Russia already had.

Complete list, LL made it slightly easier for Russia to fight but yes, Russia would have won with or without it, the other way around, without Russia sucking up more than 70% of all German military assets the landings in Normandy would have been squashed in a matter of days even if you unloaded every single tank and soldier.

I dont like it anymore you do but the fact is all the most important battles were fought by Russia, allies just made the war shorter by a year or so.
OP freebird 3 | 532  
24 Mar 2009 /  #175
just

You make it sound very unimportant. It doesn't matter, you can believe what you want. I won't argue with anyone on this forum anymore. It wouldn't change a thing at all.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
24 Mar 2009 /  #176
Yeah, if other countries perform heinous acts which offend others then burn those flags too as a symbolic gesture.

I was focussing on America as it is the title of the thread.
Sokrates 8 | 3,346  
24 Mar 2009 /  #177
You make it sound very unimportant

It was important for Britain and France, it was also important for Russia since it made its losses smaller, it was completely irrelevant to Eastern and Central Europe and the outcome of the war however.

I realise you learn that US saved Europe but thats objectivity of history books for you, everyone has their own version.
OP freebird 3 | 532  
24 Mar 2009 /  #178
veryone has their own version.

I absolutely agree with that one. That's why it's no point to discuss about it because we'll both defend our opinions to the end.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
24 Mar 2009 /  #179
Wow, isn't this a forum after all? It seems like some Americans just see it as a tussle which must be won. What's with that?
Sokrates 8 | 3,346  
24 Mar 2009 /  #180
That's why it's no point to discuss about it because we'll both defend our opinions to the end.

However i'd say that since all historians including American ones reached the consensus that lend lease was so very small and that Russia would win by itself the discussion is moot, its interesting though how deeply Americans are being indoctrinated.

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