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No Way, No Apology! Poland has every right to support Georgia!


celinski  31 | 1258  
3 Jan 2009 /  #91
Are you happy with Medvedev?

I think he is being swayed by Putin and should think about his people. There may still be hope for him if he stops trying to please Putin.

Putin is a blast from his past that will not take responsibilty. Instead he continues in the ways that keep Russia apart from the rest of Europe. This is just IMO.

that is why she was always have kicked by this boot

Pride, one of the seven deadly sin's.
ConstantineK  26 | 1298  
3 Jan 2009 /  #92
Ah I would renew Russia in old borders first of all. Well, may be with some additional south territories like Spain and Italy. Crisis is not serious problem.
Seanus  15 | 19666  
3 Jan 2009 /  #93
Putin pulls the strings, everyone knows that. Putin commands a lot of respect in national opinion polls. In democracy, that counts. I'm not aware of him rigging any elections. A blast from the past? He's a force to be reckoned with in the present. I must come across as very pro-Putin. I'm not, really. Objectively, he has worked wonders on many levels. I like Kasparov, his nemesis, so I can't be that pro-Putin at all.
ConstantineK  26 | 1298  
3 Jan 2009 /  #94
...well, I would force to accept Russian as main language across all Europe.
Seanus  15 | 19666  
3 Jan 2009 /  #95
Hehehe, you are quite a joker, CK. Learning kanji was hard enough, never mind Cyrillic.

Вы являетесь сумасшедшими!!
ConstantineK  26 | 1298  
3 Jan 2009 /  #96
to be correct - Vi yavlyaetes SUMASHEDSHIM. Unlike English, we have polite form of YOU, but it is singular form however.

That was first lesson.
celinski  31 | 1258  
3 Jan 2009 /  #97
I'm not aware of him rigging any elections.

I'm afraid it was. Thats if you consider he runs the air waves and any opposision was not given a channel or the fact that if they tried to go out to get votes they were arrested.
Seanus  15 | 19666  
3 Jan 2009 /  #98
Well, Kasparov shows the true extent of this in his various interviews.

CK, Я очень сожалею.

Please remember to keep your posts in English.
Yanek  3 | 29  
4 Jan 2009 /  #99
Look on Russian. He is typical.

It is not problem that they are semi-slavic and we should cooperate with them. The problem is that they have learned to rob other neighbours. Now when oil prices go down ... maybe another lesson like in 90's will teach them something.

Hey, moron! Just take a look on the history..... Russia had always survived and now it will survive too, don't worry....
celinski  31 | 1258  
4 Jan 2009 /  #100
Any links?

As far as I know Russia never just "cut off" delivery...

How many do you want?

Gas Dispute Has Effects Past Russia and Ukraine

At issue in the dispute, which threatens to cause heating fuel shortages in Europe at the time it is most needed, is a system of gas trunk pipelines that is a legacy of the Soviet Union.

nytimes.com/2009/01/04/world/europe/04russia.html

EU Suffers Gas Shortfall Amid Russia-Ukraine Row

Three years ago, Gazprom shut off gas supplies to Ukraine in a near-identical row over gas prices and allegedly unpaid bills, causing sudden shortages across much of Europe.

dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,3917096,00.html

Russian Gas Embargo on Ukraine Is Felt In E. Europe

Gazprom, the Russian gas monopoly, cut off deliveries to Ukraine on Thursday, saying the former Soviet republic had failed to pay $2.1 billion in gas debts. Ukraine said it paid $1.5 billion but was disputing more than $600 million in late fees.

washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/03/AR2009010301738.html

Russia gas disruption spreads to Czechs, Turks

"If Europe ... does not help us get out of this situation, then it can expect a more aggressive position from Russia on gas and other issues," Oleksander Shlapak, a senior Ukrainian presidential aide, told Reuters.

Russian gas export monopoly Gazprom blamed Ukraine for siphoning off or blocking deliveries of gas equivalent to one sixth of the total Russian supply to Europe, and said it was increasing exports to make up some of the shortfall.

washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/04/AR2009010400252.html
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 11801  
4 Jan 2009 /  #101
How many do you want?

That's what I meant Cel....they had always reasons to do that...not being paid the negotiated price IS a good reason.

Ukraine better pay and they will get their delivery - only fair wouldn't you agree?
celinski  31 | 1258  
4 Jan 2009 /  #102
Ukraine better pay and they will get their delivery - only fair wouldn't you agree?

Are you reading the full links? EU buys 40% of this and not just the baltic are being hurt. If the price didn't jump and intrest rates take the payments I guess this issue would not be. It's like the homes in the USA and the rate increases to rape the homeowner, now the credit card rates are being looked at (about time). Banking industry has become a legal Mafia and the rich top dogs are not seeing the money as they did in the past. How long can Russia play with Europe before everyone sticks together and puts a halt to this?
Sasha  2 | 1083  
5 Jan 2009 /  #103
Ukraine deliberately came to gas-grips with Russia. Not that Ukraine decided itself on what to do, the back-up from "above" occured.
Now you're trying to do what, Celinski? To blame Russia in that they cut off the gas? Blame Ukranian Gov who still play somebody's puppets and trying to earn easy political points for the future.

They offered firstly to Ukraine the really low price 210$, Ukraine refused and didn't want to sign new treaty; they logically leveled up prices to 250$ then to 400$ average European 450$. As a response Ukraine started to steal the gas, your European gas. How comes that you wanna blame Russia again, Celinski??? :))) Don't be ridiculous! Unless new contract signed Russia couldn't provide Ukraine with gas. Do you understand English, Celinski?

P.S. I'm looking forward to another preposterous idea of yours.
celinski  31 | 1258  
5 Jan 2009 /  #104
I'm looking forward to another preposterous idea of yours.

What about all the other European country's tapping into oil in Ukraine?
Sasha  2 | 1083  
5 Jan 2009 /  #105
Did you read my post above?
celinski  31 | 1258  
5 Jan 2009 /  #106
LOL yes I did.

Gazprom, the Russian gas monopoly, cut off deliveries to Ukraine on Thursday, saying the former Soviet republic had failed to pay $2.1 billion in gas debts. Ukraine said it paid $1.5 billion but was disputing more than $600 million in late fees

Did you read mine?
Sasha  2 | 1083  
5 Jan 2009 /  #107
Celinski, I already knew you were insane, I knew you were blind for any counter arguments but even considering that you don't fail to surprise me with your phenomenal stupidity.

Keep it nice, please.

Keep it nice, please.

Ok. My bad...

Gazprom cuts gas deliveries via Ukraine[
en.rian.ru/russia/20090106/119378332.html

The Russian energy monopoly said on Monday it would reduce its delivery of gas to Ukraine by 65.3 million cubic meters - the volume that had been stolen.

Statement by Alexey Miller about gas price for Ukraine
gazprom.com/eng/news/2009/01/33511.shtml

"Naftogaz Ukrainy is taking an irresponsible stance in relation to Ukrainian consumers. The contract for gas supply to Ukraine in 2009 hasn't been concluded yet. Naftogaz Ukrainy has rejected the favorable offer by Gazprom to supply Russian gas at USD 250 per 1,000 cubic meters and has withdrawn unilaterally from the negotiating process. Neither the offer to supply Central Asian gas at USD 370, nor the offer to supply gas at the average European price of USD 418 have helped bring our Ukrainian counterparts back to the negotiating table.

Let's hope that the offer to deliver gas to Ukraine in January at USD 450 per 1,000 cubic meters, which is a gas price for the Eastern European countries bordering Ukraine minus costs of gas transit across Ukraine, will return Naftogaz Ukrainy to the negotiating table in the shortest possible time," OAO Gazprom Management Committee Chairman Alexey Miller told reporters.

szarlotka  8 | 2205  
6 Jan 2009 /  #108
From what I can gather the Ukraine has been stealing gas so they should pay. Simple really. If this drags on and supplies to the rest of Europe are disrupted then the only solution is going to be more cuddling up given that it is frigging freezing here in the UK. Those of us who may not have a job much longer can cuddle even longer.
Sasha  2 | 1083  
6 Jan 2009 /  #109
From what I can gather the Ukraine has been stealing gas so they should pay.

The worst about it is that Russia anyway (to celinskies' joy) turns out the defeated party. Ukraine steals gas not giving a sh!t about their own people. Europe washes its hands saying "this is your problem... we need a gas" and doesn't want to "stick its nose" in the business.
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 11801  
6 Jan 2009 /  #110
A better hint for an independent pipeline between Russia and western Europe couldn't be given....and now all: THANK YOU UKRAINE!
Prince  15 | 590  
6 Jan 2009 /  #111
A better hint for an independent pipeline between Russia and western Europe couldn't be given

Aternative pipeline goes throught baltic states
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 11801  
6 Jan 2009 /  #112
And if they too decide not to pay? The problems start anew...
Prince  15 | 590  
6 Jan 2009 /  #113
BS. Why do you trust Russia more than EU members? That is the main problem. Lthuania pays already one of the highest prices in europe. Why Germany are against Nabucco pipe line which avoids Russia (goes throught Ukriane).
Bratwurst Boy  8 | 11801  
6 Jan 2009 /  #114
(goes throught Ukriane).

You are kidding, right???

Ukraine IS our current problem!
ConstantineK  26 | 1298  
6 Jan 2009 /  #115
...because Poland, Baltic states and Georgia are currently US's henchmen!

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