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Poland..wake up to a multicultural world


Seanus 15 | 19,706  
14 Feb 2009 /  #181
Well, they are allowed to move freely in the EU. Simple. If many other EU nationals chose to make Poland their habitual residence, why should Poland resist this? The EU is predicated on ideas such as the free movement of people.
osiol 55 | 3,922  
14 Feb 2009 /  #182
comments like yours better serve challenging the op than disparaging comments about poles and poland do.

Can you translate this for me please?
Sokrates 8 | 3,346  
14 Feb 2009 /  #183
Of course this entire thread is useless, by the time Poland will become a first world economy the primary imigrants will come from Belarussia, Ukraine and Romania, they present much less challenge since our culture is so attractive to them and they're similar cultural circle.

Since we symphatize with these people they will be favored over muslims and blacks and by the time the border is completely open most opportunities will be already taken by eastern europeans so the colored candy will prefer to stay in their purtey liberal lands of the rainbow and racial riots.
LoveHateU - | 23  
14 Feb 2009 /  #184
by the time Poland will become a first world economy the primary

Dream On.....Dreamer....With all the corruption mixed with bureaucracy....it will take forever...
Sokrates 8 | 3,346  
14 Feb 2009 /  #185
Take a look at Poland 15 years ago and now and say that again with a straight face:)
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
14 Feb 2009 /  #186
It doesn't pay to make predictions. Also, you can't look at what is not with us yet ;)
Sokrates 8 | 3,346  
14 Feb 2009 /  #187
It doesn't pay to make predictions.

It doesnt ? Gee i guess all those prognostic institutes in US must be a waste of money then.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
14 Feb 2009 /  #188
Well, it's just an expression. Forecasting is actually very important for business and governmental planners.
lesser 4 | 1,311  
14 Feb 2009 /  #189
Take a look at Poland 15 years ago and now and say that again with a straight face:)

Polish law is more socialist than 15 years ago, while the EU only adds more bureaucrats and stupid rules. In such system you might expect Poland catching up with western Europe someday (if their policy would be even worse) but Asian states will out-compete us.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
14 Feb 2009 /  #190
It is probably more socialist, yes. Balcerowicz, under the tutelage of Wałęsa (1990-1995), introduced free market initiatives and reformed communism with a few strokes. Change had to be seen. However, hyperinflation was a tough nut to crack, hard to contain.

Yes, Asian states have more competitive stances and more potential.
Sokrates 8 | 3,346  
15 Feb 2009 /  #191
Yes, Asian states have more competitive stances and more potential.

Thats because they're anti-polish racists, if they were open and progressive states they'd be behind us.
lesser 4 | 1,311  
15 Feb 2009 /  #192
It is probably more socialist, yes. Balcerowicz, under the tutelage of Wałęsa (1990-1995), introduced free market initiatives and reformed communism with a few strokes. Change had to be seen. However, hyperinflation was a tough nut to crack, hard to contain.

Balcerowicz was a bad minister, Soros's servant. The last communist government of minister Wilczek introduced quite good packed of reforms. Since then Polish lawspoilers with help of eurocrats building socialism.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
15 Feb 2009 /  #193
I find your views beguiling at times, lesser. Much of Europe is capitalist. As one of my smartest students told me, the system here in Poland seems to be socialist when they take a large portion of his earnings away. However, he also alluded to a rise in capitalistic practices.

Why do you take issue with Balcerowicz?
lesser 4 | 1,311  
15 Feb 2009 /  #194
Why do you take issue with Balcerowicz?

Because he (and his euro-socialist band) destroyed imagine of capitalism/economic liberalism in the eyes of many Poles. Balcerowicz and his people tolerated proceeder of corrupt privatizations, created many oligarchs. Same fact that I prefer the last communist government speak for itself. Balcerowicz was using Soros's theories and this guy is linked to American left. He is also great speculator with dirty hands.

Balcerowicz was much better as a chief of Polish Central Bank.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
15 Feb 2009 /  #195
You prefer the last communist government but you are right of centre, lesser. Something not quite right there.

Who doesn't have dirty hands these days? So, he destroyed the image of economic liberalism. That's nothing compared to how communists destroyed the pure rationale of communism, now is it?
lesser 4 | 1,311  
15 Feb 2009 /  #196
You prefer the last communist government but you are right of centre, lesser. Something not quite right there.

This is because they surrendered communism and gave a green light to capitalism. Unfortunately later they made a deal with euro-socialists and the latter wasted our chance. Very likely that Poland would be in much better shape if they would realize new program themselves.

Who doesn't have dirty hands these days?

Not all socialists are corrupt. They are all wrong but not all corrupt.

That's nothing compared to how communists destroyed the pure rationale of communism, now is it?

They destroyed imagine of idealist communism. Communism is not rational in any form. You know people prefer private property and this is out of question. :)
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
15 Feb 2009 /  #197
The whole idea of communism was to carry it out as it's not a moderate idea. It's quite extreme for many people. Karl Marx wasn't rational?

Not all socialists are corrupt, true.

OK, a deal was made with Euro-socialists. If you were in power at that time, how would you have shaped things differently?
lesser 4 | 1,311  
15 Feb 2009 /  #198
Karl Marx wasn't rational?

He was not, he was babbling BS in self-invented communist slang. He was unwilling to debate these issues with non-communists.

OK, a deal was made with Euro-socialists. If you were in power at that time, how would you have shaped things differently?

The last communist government should carry all necessary reforms themselves, they should run this state at least 15 years more.

I suspect that they make a deal with euro-socialist only because:

- they promised them guarantees of safety in the future
- benefits from privatization
- bribe from western left
PennBoy 76 | 2,437  
23 Feb 2009 /  #199
Its time...i say its time for Poland to wake up..the rest of Europe has left you behind. I am speaking from the position of poles relationship with different cultures of this wonderful world. If u need to progress, you need a multicultural society,made up of whites, yellows, browns, blacks

No i don't think so, some are ok but most minorites just sit on welfare have a bunch of kids and mooch off the government, they're like a plague. it's the same all over the world America Western Europe, they make their problems ours, there is plenty of white people in Europe, real Europeans, that need work, we need to preserve our European identity and culture. And no i don't think mixed babies are pretty, i think white babies are pretty.
southern 75 | 7,096  
23 Feb 2009 /  #200
Poland..wake up to a multicultural world

To a crisis world.
jeroen 1 | 12  
23 Feb 2009 /  #201
No i don't think so, some are ok but most minorites just sit on welfare have a bunch of kids and mooch off the government, they're like a plague. it's the same all over the world America Western Europe, they make their problems ours, there is plenty of white people in Europe, real Europeans, that need work, we need to preserve our European identity and culture. And no i don't think mixed babies are pretty, i think white babies are pretty.

PennBoy,
It is the year of Darwin. You should have paid more attention during your high school. White people evolved from black people.....
lukimp80 1 | 74  
23 Feb 2009 /  #202
Maybe! But the white race progressed forward. Some just failed to fully evolve.
jeroen 1 | 12  
23 Feb 2009 /  #203
Please read Darwin and the history books. People moved from Africa to other climates where they evolved (turning white!!) as they are right now. So, forward, in what sense?

Maybe we move to Mars in ten thousand years and turn purple because of different atmosphere pressure...??
lukimp80 1 | 74  
23 Feb 2009 /  #204
Please read Darwin and the history books. People moved from Africa to other climates where they evolved (turning white!!) as they are right now. So, forward, in what sense?

The climate must have agreed with them then. The white people built great cities, in which we stuill live in today The blacks are stuck in limbo.. Most of them still live in mud huts and kralls. The African cities were built under European supervision. Our medical advances have cured most deseases. Africa, still has big medical problems. Need I go on?
jeroen 1 | 12  
23 Feb 2009 /  #205
As I said, please go back to school and read darwin and the history books.

The superior wealth we live in the West here came within the last couple of hundreds year or so. Do you think that makes any difference on the evolution that takes place in timescales of millions of years???

The chinese were a seafaring nation long before the europeans, if they did not decide to stop exploring further maybe we would be al speaking chinese. And maybe we will still do if the finacial systems in the US and europe collapse.

Maybe a virus will turn up that kills us all except for the black people who have a certain gene that we do not have.

All I am trying to say here is, our Western domination and superiority over the rest of the world is by pure chance... I can't help it if you don't see that.
southern 75 | 7,096  
23 Feb 2009 /  #206
White people evolved from black people.....

More accurately from chimpanzees.
Ignac - | 28  
23 Feb 2009 /  #207
The chinese were a seafaring nation long before the europeans, if they did not decide to stop exploring further maybe we would be al speaking chinese. And maybe we will still do if the finacial systems in the US and europe collapse.

The Chinese are intellegent people. The white race have benefited from their culture. What did the Africans ever contribute?
ragtime27 1 | 146  
23 Feb 2009 /  #208
Polish should preserve their culture.

you can't force nations to have a quota or a percentage of other races.

Now,the way you expect british poeple and other nations where polish emigrated in large scale respect you and tolerate yours good and bad habit,then Poland need to wake up for multicultural world (the title of the thread).

Poland is part of EU,how would they react if it was an invasion by gypsies or roamanian or bulgarian or any other nation decide to come to Poland.

by been nice and tolerant and not have any prejudice toward certain race or religion.

should new comers have special treatment(housing,welfare),i don't thinks so.
should new comers respect the law of the land and work as hard as the native,yes
jeroen 1 | 12  
23 Feb 2009 /  #209
What did the Africans ever contribute?

Human beings have their origin in Africa..... What gives you the right to feel superior above black people?

The first lesson any decent person should learn: "Treat people the way you like to be treated...". With millions the (white) Polish people came to Western Europe to have a piece of the labor markets. But if one immigrant (black, muslim or gipsy) steps into Poland, they are treated (by some) as inferior....
lukimp80 1 | 74  
23 Feb 2009 /  #210
The first lesson any decent person should learn: "Treat people the way you like to be treated...". With millions the (white) Polish people came to Western Europe to have a piece of the labor markets. But if one immigrant (black, muslim or gipsy) steps into Poland, they are treated (by some) as inferior....

Yep! That is exactly the way that I look at it. Until they learn how to live like human beings, that is how they should be treated.

In America I have watched our cities being destroyed by these people. They multiply like rats and destroy the great neighborhoods
They contribute nothing to the community,other than crime and drugs.. The men impregnate women and leave them to be supported by the state. No thank you.. If you want them, then that is your choice . Call me what ever you want.

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