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Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,583  
8 May 2009 /  #1,021
I have an idea, B.B., we can lease to Germany some of our worst psychotic thug prisoners and that will keep your disrupters from disrupting if they think they have to spend some time there.

Bad joke hatie...
HatefulBunch397 - | 658  
8 May 2009 /  #1,022
It sounds like a joke but it would keep them from wanting to end up in prison. It would be a deterrent. The muslims who used to move here didn't want to end up in our prisons so they were all well behaved until they became active Al Queada cells. Before that happened they didn't cause problems and acted better than most Americans. They didn't want to be in the jails because there's so many crazy people in them.
scrappleton - | 830  
8 May 2009 /  #1,023
What's funny on PF's is that when immigration reform comes up: Poles, Americans, Germans usually support it but the British do not. You would think that if anyone would be in favor of it, it would be them. You know, it doesn't make you evil to think of your own people first. If fact, it's fairly practical, especially when you don't really have the means to support immigrants from other cultures anymore. How are you going to cope when the Chinese machine really gets rolling? When there's even less jobs?
HatefulBunch397 - | 658  
8 May 2009 /  #1,024
but the British do not. You would think that if anyone would be in favor of it, it would be them

I have an answer for that. It's because Britain did so much colonizing and subjecting indigenous people all over the world to British culture the government has no choice but to let immigrants into Britain. The British know this and therefore, they want everyone to be in the same boat as themselves. They want everyone to have to put up with fifty million jihadists-in-waiting.
IronsE11 2 | 442  
8 May 2009 /  #1,025
Well...the main trouble makers are to 99 percent not of the white race

That figure is clearly rubbish, but let's role with it. You believe that an entire family (clan)should be deported if one family member breaks the law? Would this proposed law extend to the tiny majority of white German criminals (the 1% if you like), or is it a law based on discrimination?

What if a family of Poles (say 3 generations) comes to live and work in Germany, and the 18 year grandson old is caught with a small amount of cannabis (a clear breach of the law)? Should the entire family be deported back to Poland? What if the same situation was applied to a family of Turks?
scrappleton - | 830  
8 May 2009 /  #1,026
It's because Britain did so much colonizing and subjecting indigenous people all over the world to British culture the government has no choice but to let immigrants into Britain.

You're saying they ultimately feel guilty? Maybe that's true, it sure isn't cost-effective for them. It doesn't seem.
IronsE11 2 | 442  
8 May 2009 /  #1,027
Because that's "our" scum...they belong to us and we have to take care of them.

THEY don't belong to us and their home countries should take care of them. They are guests! They have no right to wreak havoc in the house of the host and the host has every right in the world to kick out a guest who overstays his welcome and who misbehaves!

Well I guess you can answer my hypothetical question then?

but the British do not.

I support immigration/asylum reform as do many Brits I'm sure. Peronally I just refuse to do this by promoting laws which disriminate based on race. It's really a very simple concept.

I have an answer for that. It's because Britain did so much colonizing and subjecting indigenous people all over the world to British culture the government has no choice but to let immigrants into Britain. The British know this and therefore, they want everyone to be in the same boat as themselves. They want everyone to have to put up with fifty million jihadists-in-waiting.

You have just surpassed yourself HB. I honestly didn't think you could post anything more stupid than some of the sh1t you have already come out with but congratulations, you just have.
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,583  
8 May 2009 /  #1,028
That figure is clearly rubbish, but let's role with it. You believe that an entire family (clan)should be deported if one family member breaks the law? Would this proposed law extend to the tiny majority of white German criminals (the 1% if you like), or is it a law based on discrimination?

I told you already, german criminals are "our" criminals and the german state has to take care of them like every society does for their own folks.

Deportations would be an effective means to make sure the guests behave, what is is your problem with that?

What if a family of Poles (say 3 generations) comes to live and work in Germany, and the 18 year grandson old is caught with a small amount of cannabis (a clear breach of the law)? Should the entire family be deported back to Poland? What if the same situation was applied to a family of Turks?

There are so many "skis" in Germany, fully integrated I only learned much later that most of them have polish roots! :)

Nope, I mean turks, arabs...in these family structures the male patriarch has more to say than german law or german justice!
It makes a world of a difference if some helpless german police man tries to tell them right from wrong or if their father tells them to go to school instead and to behave or they all will have to leave.

2008 were 80 percent of all criminals in Berlin immigrant youth/foreign ethnic background! 80 percent!!!
bild.de/BILD/news/vermischtes/2008/01/04/kriminelle-auslaender/ausweisung.html
(only in german, sorry)

PS: Not many Poles between them...
HatefulBunch397 - | 658  
8 May 2009 /  #1,029
You're saying they ultimately feel guilty?

I don't know how many of their immigrants are from places who had people who were once considered to be British subjects. Britain wanted all these subjects from all over the world so they could reap the tax benefits.

I don't know how much of it is guilt or how much of it is a not-so-severed connection to their colonies.

You have just surpassed yourself HB. I honestly didn't think you could post anything more stupid than some of the sh1t you have already come out with but congratulations, you just have.

You always make me laugh. Perhaps it's because you are so good at IronE but you mispelled it and included that extra s. tsk tsk.
Bratwurst Boy 6 | 10,583  
8 May 2009 /  #1,030
You have just surpassed yourself HB.

Maybe not Irons...in Germany the Nazi past is a big hurdle for many to act as they inwardly want.
We are double soft, double goodie-two-shoes, double multi-kulti preachers because of the Nazis...at least it was that way for decades...it's waning now with this generation...

Why can't it be similiar with the Brits and their Empire past? I've read alot about discussion in England about "Britishness". Who would have thought that the islands get ever into such an angsty soul searching...

Some facts:

....ist zweifelsfrei nachgewiesen, dass Deutschland ein Problem mit überproportionaler
Kriminalität seiner ausländischen Mitbürger, vor allem der Jugendlichen, hat. Die
Gewaltkriminalität in der Gruppe der 18-21jährigen nahm von 1994 bis 2006 um 84%

(...it is proven without doubt that Germany has a problem with overproportional criminality of their foreign citizens, especially their youth. The violent criminality in the group of the 18-21 year old increased between 1994 and 2006 by 84 %)

In Bremen hätten fünf von sechs jugendlichen Intensivtätern unter 14 Jahren einen
Migrationshintergrund.

(In Bremen 5 out of 6 youth serious offenders under 14 have a migration background.)

...and so on!

From the same source:

...In Köln bricht ein 14jähriger Türke alle Kriminalrekorde. Über 100 Delikte, darunter Körperverletzungen und Einbrüche, hat er in seiner jungen Kriminellenlaufbahn zu verzeichnen

(In Cologne a 14 year old Turk breaks all criminal records. More than 100 crimes (between them bodily assault and robbery) are already dokumented.)

Do you think he will grow up to a german law abiding, respectful citizen?
Do you want him and his clan in your neighbourhood! Do you know that most of his clan are unemployed? Living for years on german tax money? Who do you think pays for the trials as he gets one slap on his wrist after the other without much consequences?

Would you like being laughed at and exploited by him and his breed?
z_darius 14 | 3,968  
8 May 2009 /  #1,031
they're outbreeding us

To be fair, you can't blame them for that.

'm not going to have 7 kids in a mad race with some illiterate arab

And therein lies the real European (and North American) problem.
That muslims come to Europe and breed like rabbits is one thing. That Europeans don't breed is the other. Europe is depopulating and someone will fill the void. There won't even be Europeans left to implement any anti-immigration or pro integration laws.

Of course the only real solution is for you to actually have those 7 kids, not to kill or deport 7 muslims. That won't solve anything. At least not in the economy as we know it. How do you think will the ever decreasing population of young native Europeans will finance the ever increasing population of their retirees? Unless the retirees are deported too.

The situation is really shi.tty.
HatefulBunch397 - | 658  
8 May 2009 /  #1,032
That muslims come to Europe and breed like rabbits is one thing.

What's really weird is they go to Europe and do that. They didn't/don't do that in the US. They don't have more kids than whites. Maybe they are trying to colonize Europe by emigrating and populating it with Islamic babies.
z_darius 14 | 3,968  
8 May 2009 /  #1,033
What's really weird is they go to Europe and do that. They didn't/don't do that in the US. They don't have more kids than whites.

how do you know?
Do you have any statistics?
HatefulBunch397 - | 658  
8 May 2009 /  #1,034
I know what I see here and I don't see muslim women having lots of babies. Maybe two or three? Are Muslims in Europe mostly Turkish? Maybe it's cultural and has more to do with them being from Turkey? Most Muslims who live in my state come from the mid east and Pakistan.
z_darius 14 | 3,968  
8 May 2009 /  #1,035
I know what I see here and I don't see muslim women having lots of babies. Maybe two or three?

Not good enough.
I have a feeling you don's see even 1% of the few millions of muslims in the US

Are Muslims in Europe mostly Turkish? Maybe it's cultural and has more to do with them being from Turkey? Most Muslims who live in my state come from the mid east and Pakistan.

you're such a naive kid :)
HatefulBunch397 - | 658  
8 May 2009 /  #1,036
Yeah but wouldn't we know if they were having a disproportionate amount of babies? I hear about black women having a lot but not Muslim women. I never hear about Muslim women with ten kids. Ever.
IronsE11 2 | 442  
8 May 2009 /  #1,037
Deportations would be an effective means to make sure the guests behave, what is is your problem with that?

No problem with that at all, as long as it is extended to every immigrant. But you don't think it should be:

Nope, I mean turks, arabs...

PS: Not many Poles between them...

Regardless of how many crimes in Germany are committed by Poles, why do you think they should receive a different punishment to Turks, Aabs etc? Can you not see how this could be deemed a racist position to take?

Do you think he will grow up to a german law abiding, respectful citizen?
Do you want him and his clan in your neighbourhood! Do you know that most of his clan are unemployed? Living for years on german tax money? Who do you think pays for the trials as he gets one slap on his wrist after the other without much consequences?
Would you like being laughed at and exploited by him and his breed?

I think the answer to the above is obvious.

Why doesn't Germany curb immigration from the countries in question? Why doesn't Germany base it's immigration criteria on employment skills? Why doesn't Germany punish its criminals properly? Why do European countries accept asylum seakers at all? There is clearly a problem (as there is in Britain), and these are the questions which need to be adressed. The answer is not to implement racist policies which discriminate against current citizens of the country.

Crack down on crime, immigration etc by all means, but the moment you start creating laws which discriminate against your own citizens (3rd generation Turks for example) based purely on their religion/ethnicity, then you are playing a very dangerous game. I would have thought this would be obvious to you given Germany's recent history!

Maybe not Irons...

If you are honestly suggesting that the following explanation of British immigration policy holds merit then... well... I despair.

It's because Britain did so much colonizing and subjecting indigenous people all over the world to British culture the government has no choice but to let immigrants into Britain.

ShelleyS 14 | 2,893  
8 May 2009 /  #1,038
I just tell them to go f themselves if they do.

Im sure the residents of Swat in Pakistan who are now under Taliban rule were all just "dying" to tell the Taliban to go f themselves! The women didn't have to cover up, now they can't even leave the house, schools have been destroyed and public beheadings are frequent...This is what they do to their own, can you imagine what they would do to 'non-believers'...

By the way if you are not familiar with the Swat Valley, it was a popular ski resort which was popular with Westerners...
pauls - | 30  
8 May 2009 /  #1,039
Earlier this week UK Home Office has published a list of those who are "least wanted in Britain". Included in the banned list to enter UK are extremists of christians, muslims, jews, tamil tigers, atheists...:

>>Radio talk show host Michael Savage
>>American Baptist pastor Fred Waldron Phelps Snr
>>Phelps' daughter Shirley Phelps-Roper
>>Hamas MP Yunis Al-Astal
>>Jewish extremist Mike Guzovsky
>>Ex Klu Klux Klan grand wizared Stephen Donald Black
>>Neo-Nazi Erich Gliebe
>>Russian gang leader Artur Ryno
>>Russian gang leader Pavel Skachevsky
>>Preacher Wadgy Abd El Hamied Mohamed Ghoneim
>>Preacher Abdullah Qadri Al Ahdal
>>Preacher Safwat Hijazi
>>Preacher Amir Siddique
>>Muslim activist Abdul Ali Musa
>>Murderer and Hezbollah terrorist Samir Al Quntar
>>Kashmiri terror group leader Nasr Javed

No certain ethnic/religious group has monopoly in causing harm to the world. It is the extremism that causes the harm. The extremists' harm is not only directed to some certain ethnic/religious groups, The HARM IS AGAINST HUMANITY.

Source: news.sky.com/skynews/
krakowiak  
8 May 2009 /  #1,040
HatefulBunch397

That can be taken care of, emigrating them some time I hope back where they belong. At least they do seldom interbreed like the gooks do. There is a joke among white folks where I reside that chinese women have some magic to make a whitey marry them.
ShelleyS 14 | 2,893  
8 May 2009 /  #1,041
We can take the Russians out of the picture since they are in prison, so that leaves 14. 8 of which are muslims, 1 is a Jew and the rest as far as I am aware have not been connected to groups that have blown up civilians or openly glorify suicide bombings.
IronsE11 2 | 442  
8 May 2009 /  #1,042
Whilst I don't dispute the above, I would point out that we openly accept non-Muslim individuals who are connected to groups which have blown up civilians. What's worse is that we have elected such individuals/groups.
Sokrates 8 | 3,346  
8 May 2009 /  #1,043
No problem with that at all, as long as it is extended to every immigrant. But you don't think it should be:

Why should it be extended to every immigrant? Its the muslims and arabs that are the major problem, in the name of political correctness you want us to spank our own who do not cause nearly as much trouble?

Whilst I don't dispute the above, I would point out that we openly accept non-Muslim individuals who are connected to groups which have blown up civilians. What's worse is that we have elected such individuals/groups.

Because these groups or individuals represent a minority of wackos whereas violence is a growing cultural trend of these minorities, there's a difference between Joe White who snaps and decides to shoot people and Ali Goatlove who with his 30 buddies tries to convert young girls.

One is an example of a rare mental case the other is the example of a very hostile culture, one will happen rarely the other one threatens to overrun us.
ShelleyS 14 | 2,893  
8 May 2009 /  #1,044
Whilst I don't dispute the above, I would point out that we openly accept non-Muslim individuals who are connected to groups which have blown up civilians. What's worse is that we have elected such individuals/groups.

Who?
isthatu2 4 | 2,704  
8 May 2009 /  #1,045
I support immigration/asylum reform as do many Brits I'm sure. Peronally I just refuse to do this by promoting laws which disriminate based on race. It's really a very simple concept.

Ditto,
Do I want my country flooded by outsiders,a mad dash of hordes of non Britains coming in via the tunnel or Victoria coach station,no I bloody dont,but the problems of immigration faced here is numbers not culture. The million + Poles turning up in less than 12 months was the biggest pain in the arse vis a vis immigration this country has ever had to put up with. As for us here in Britain maybe not being as rabidly loony racist as you folks want or expect us to be is, unlike the rest of your countries we ,actually know what we are talking about by having lived through it for 50 odd years,you guys are just cowards scared of strangers,I pity you all.

I would point out that we openly accept non-Muslim individuals who are connected to groups which have blown up civilians.

What,you mean the US Airforce?
nunczka 8 | 458  
8 May 2009 /  #1,046
As for us here in Britain maybe not being as rabidly loony racist as you folks want or expect us to be is, unlike the rest of your countries we ,actually know what we are talking about by having lived through it for 50 odd years,you guys are just cowards scared of strangers,I pity you all.

Applause, Applause,Applause. A very elegant rant. I agree with you . The Slimeys and all other undesirables deserve each other.
Sokrates 8 | 3,346  
8 May 2009 /  #1,047
,you guys are just cowards scared of strangers,I pity you all.

Give me John, Hans or Pierre any day of the week, its Ali and his sixty wives and an army of underfed illiterate kids i dont want here.

The million + Poles turning up in less than 12 months was the biggest pain in the arse vis a vis immigration this country has ever had to put up with.

I feel your pain but barring an odd beggar or a guy from some backwater shitehole who expected Brits give jobs candy and free blowjobs we did not turn your country upside down, we dont run around making a mess of things, we dont beat Brits up and our religion is happening once a week and stays in the church, the only real change we brought is more Polish shops and a funny accent.

Face it, the problem is racial and religious in nature, bringing up Polish immigration just helps to reinforce my point, compare the amount and nature of crimes by Poles to what the Pakis do to your people.
z_darius 14 | 3,968  
8 May 2009 /  #1,048
The million + Poles turning up in less than 12 months was the biggest pain in the arse vis a vis immigration this country has ever had to put up with.

That is incorrect.
The most poignant was the Norman invasion and the incursions of the Vikings :)
HatefulBunch397 - | 658  
8 May 2009 /  #1,049
Im sure the residents of Swat in Pakistan who are now under Taliban rule were all just "dying" to tell the Taliban to go f themselves! The women didn't have to cover up, now they can't even leave the house, schools have been destroyed and public beheadings are frequent...

It's because Pakistan is susceptable to the radical craziness the Taliban embodies. The US, however, IS NOT. If the Taliban tried that here it wouldn't be just me telling them to f themselves. See what I mean? If you let it happen it happens but if you choose to not allow it, to not be susceptable, you can stop it. It's not up to the US or anyone else to decide if the Taliban rule Pakistan. The PAKISTANIS are the ONLY ones who can end it. No other country can go into Pakistan and decide who rules. It won't work. It didn't work in Vietnam. If it works in Iraq, I'll be surprised.

In Afghanistan, despite the best efforts of our troops, Taliban still rules. So, how can the US stop the Taliban from taking over Pakistan if that's what Pakistan wants?
isthatu2 4 | 2,704  
8 May 2009 /  #1,050
That is incorrect.
The most poignant was the Norman invasion and the incursions of the Vikings :)

lol,I kinda meant in living memory,I knew you were older than me but....:)

(oh,and if you want hair splitting,technicaly the two were the same race,the Normans just being Vikings who had headed to france for the wine and women a hundred years prior to 1066 ;) )

(Oh,and the Normans built my local Church,and the hill I used to tobbogan down in winter..)

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