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Poland..wake up to a multicultural world


Wroclaw Boy  
14 Feb 2009 /  #151
Wroclaw Boy: If you like

Its a fact, you just admitted to being anti-polish.

Thats not an admission. Im not anti Polish never have been members of my family are Polish. I know Polish people and their mentailities very well. My assumption that Poles are racist more so than most other nations is based on facts that i have discovered from my experiences. Ive seen blacks referred to as monkeys in your news papers for christ's sake.

Wroclaw Boy: Its too early to get into this i'll be back a bit later on.

Nothing to get into, you're a prejudiced twat with a boner against polish people :)

Ohh the names the names.

the amount of racist attacks in Poland is only a fraction of say german or french incidents ( not to mention british ) and i'm pretty sure he's aware of that so yeah that makes him prejudiced towards Poles.

That claim can easily be trashed with a number of explanations. The most obvious fact being there are no where near as many coloured foreigners living in or visiting Poland. To use your own word a fraction.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
14 Feb 2009 /  #152
As I have said elsewhere, Britain did their utmost to stamp out racists at football grounds. When you consider how many people attend football matches across Britain, it's no small task.

Thierry Henry worked wonders. There are many racists at football grounds here.
BubbaWoo 33 | 3,510  
14 Feb 2009 /  #153
how am i racist?

i just counter your extreme views with equal ones, using poles as an example

you will never see me posting against blacks, asians, arabs, or jews on this forum

but when someone like you pops up with your biggoted views i cant help but take the piss

you never know, some of what i say to you might actually sink in, and next time youre in london you wont get your car keyed for being a kunt

what does a new paint job cost nowadays?

being a kunt can be a costly business...
Sokrates 8 | 3,346  
14 Feb 2009 /  #154
Thats not an admission. Im not anti Polish never have been members of my family are Polish. I know Polish people and their mentailities very well.

Clearly you dont.

y assumption that Poles are racist more so than most other nations is based on facts that i have discovered from my experiences.

That is a lie, i can make up "my own experiences" on the go to back up my point, personal experience is worthless in a discussion unless the opposite side can be trusted to be objective, you cannot.

Ive seen blacks referred to as monkeys in your news papers for christ's sake.

Really ?! Could you please name the title and issue date ? I will have the number in question within 30 minutes and we can resolve the matter.

That claim can easily be trashed with a number of explanations. The most obvious fact being there are no where near as many coloured foreigners living in or visiting Poland.

The claim could be trashed if not for the lack of any major reports on racism from Poland, media can miss that kind of stuff, EU commision for xenophobia for example cannot.

Fact, Poland is one of the least racist countries in Europe.

how am i racist?

i just counter your extreme views with equal ones, using poles as an example

you will never see me posting against blacks, asians, arabs, or jews on this forum

but when someone like you pops up with your biggoted views i cant help but take the piss

you never know, some of what i say to you might actually sink in, and next time youre in london you wont get your car keyed for being a kunt

what does a new paint job cost nowadays?

being a kunt can be a costly business...

How old are you exactly lad ?
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
14 Feb 2009 /  #155
Actually, after doing some checking, Poland is not as racist as many other nations. That would seem to be true. Rather surprisingly, Denmark ranked rather highly. Many other countries ranked ahead of Poland. For example, Germany, Spain, the UK and Italy being just four.

Still, you have to ask yourself who compiles these things.
Wroclaw Boy  
14 Feb 2009 /  #156
The claim could be trashed if not for the lack of any major reports on racism from Poland, media can miss that kind of stuff, EU commision for xenophobia for example cannot.

You should go and have a chat with George the black door man at the Jamaican bar just down the road from the Hotel Cracowia in Krakow.
BubbaWoo 33 | 3,510  
14 Feb 2009 /  #157
heres a good one, you scummy little polish racist kunt -

In Poland, sociologist Rafal Pankowski fights racism as a member of Nigdy Wieciej - or Never Again.

"To a greater or lesser degree, this problem has come up at almost every club," Pankowski said, explaining that there have been anti-Semitic banners and chants at games, as well as monkey chants.

The BBC reported last year that Leszek Miklas, the president of Polish team Legia Warsaw, acknowledged up to 20 percent of the club's fans were neo-Nazis. Speaking to the AP, Miklas accepted individuals at his club have extreme facist views, but wouldn't estimate how many.

"To a greater or lesser degree, this problem has come up at almost every club,."

iht.com/articles/ap/2009/02/08/sports/SOC-Racism-in-Football.php

what... racist polish scum in every football club?

surely not

"the president of Polish team Legia Warsaw, acknowledged up to 20 percent of the club's fans were neo-Nazis."

what... 20% of legia warsaw racist polish scum...?

surely not

"Polish society is fairly homogeneous, we don't have a lot of foreigners,."

what... not many foreigners and therefore not many attacks on foreigners...?

surely not

plenty more articles like this one - google is your friend
Wroclaw Boy  
14 Feb 2009 /  #158
plenty more articles like this one

Thats a cracker

heres another:

nigdywiecej.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=290&Itemid=55

but what I found during an investigation into the problem in Poland was truly shocking.

I found racism that was strident and in your face in a way it never was in Britain, even in the very bad old days of English football in the 1970s and 80s.

As I interviewed him he told me to go back to my country, meaning India, the land of my birth. He would not look me in the eye as we spoke and at the end of my interview, refused to shake my hand.

BubbaWoo 33 | 3,510  
14 Feb 2009 /  #159
Thats a cracker

yeah, when world organisations start saying things like we're not going to hold this football tournament in your country because youre a bunch of racist kunts you would have thought the message might sink in...

who mentioned idiots...?
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
14 Feb 2009 /  #160
Well, look at what they did in Vilnius with no provocation, Look at their faces, are they really people? My money is on zombies ;)
Wroclaw Boy  
14 Feb 2009 /  #161
Christ... thats enough, wheres the mods ?

Our work is done here
rafik 18 | 589  
14 Feb 2009 /  #162
those Hard working Chinese and African guys..

chinese?yes but africans?lol i worked with 4 africans and believe me they were the most lazy people i've ever met.think of somalians coming to poland in their thousands. Most of the western countries have a lot of problems with them.Poland don't need any immigrants apart from those that we already have(chinese,vietnamiese,ukrainians ect and those who came here to study or work)

How about the fact the the above mentioned countries like Germany, France and UK have all suffered race related riots - as already stated several times, Poland did not colonise any other 3rd world countries, the only reason that France and the UK have such high immigration is because we colonised and have a "guilt" (or at least previous governments did), if we had to chose we would not want them here, where you get these stupid ideas that we love multiculturalism is beyond me!

at last somone who says how it is...
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
14 Feb 2009 /  #163
Shelley was right on the mark with that one. We helped to bring about those conditions. Poland has never really experienced multiculturalism as Britain has.
BubbaWoo 33 | 3,510  
14 Feb 2009 /  #164
sokrates spent 4 months in england so hes actually an expert on multi cultural societies
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
14 Feb 2009 /  #165
Aha, when's the first lecture on this topic? Coming to a place near you ;)
Sokrates 8 | 3,346  
14 Feb 2009 /  #166
sokrates spent 4 months in england so hes actually an expert on multi cultural societies

Four months is enough to see that the minorities brought more harm than good to your countries, however if you're black or muslim which you probably are i can understand why you're frothing at the mouth.
BubbaWoo 33 | 3,510  
14 Feb 2009 /  #167
Four months is enough to see that the minorities brought more harm than good to your countries

you are obviously including the polish as an english minority... or are they some how exempt from your reasoning, somehow their being white excludes them from inclusion in englands mass immigrational problems...

however if you're black or muslim which you probably are

haha
Sokrates 8 | 3,346  
14 Feb 2009 /  #168
you are obviously including the polish as an english minority...

Not at all but Poles are far less damaging, first of all there's no religion issue, second there's no cultural issues because we really have no conflicting ideals.

The only bad thing is we dumped dregs from our country onto England first so you might see some more polish beggars.

being white excludes them from inclusion in englands mass immigrational problems...

They are of course part of the problem but the least of them all, also as i have written and you ignored it skin itself is not the problem, its the civilization and cultrural background thats often tied to ethnicity thats the problem.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
14 Feb 2009 /  #169
That's fair game. Religion is not that big of a deal like it is with Sharia Law. No cultural issues, true enough. Britain is like the temporary cash cow, that's about the extent of the cultural involvement.

Skin itself is the problem on many occasions. Do you really think that someone sits with a pen and paper and works out the ethnic roots of individuals? Or do they just say, 'wow, he's black, let's beat him guys'? I have heard people here call Frenchmen niggers. They were looking at a picture of the French football team. People richer than them and not pure Africans as so many attack.
BubbaWoo 33 | 3,510  
14 Feb 2009 /  #170
as i have written and you ignored it skin itself is not the problem, its the civilization and cultrural background thats often tied to ethnicity thats the problem.

i didnt ignore it - i just pointed out that i have much more in common than the black-english-now-but-once-upon-a-time-immigrants that i grew up with than any pole, and that my cultural background isnt as similar to the polish as you suggest - my culture doesnt have decades of communist oppression embedded in it and all the crap to deal with that is a lot more apparent to outsiders than it is to the polish
Sokrates 8 | 3,346  
14 Feb 2009 /  #171
Bubba you personally have no culture so "your culture" is a bit of a mouthfull and you can feel whatever you like the fact is most once-upon-a-time immigrants and especially muslims are not assimilated whatsoever so calling them english is a bit of a stretch.

You are however correct, no polish person has anything in common with you, luckily.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
14 Feb 2009 /  #172
Many Poles see it, BW. That's why they leave. The ones who don't have to grin and bear it. It's a joke, I can smell BS a mile off and they are just giving themselves work to do by churning out paperwork for its own sake.

We'll soon get paperwork so we can write down our breaths per minute and notify the authorities who will then look for more paperwork.
BubbaWoo 33 | 3,510  
14 Feb 2009 /  #173
Bubba you personally have no culture

you know nothing about me personally

and despite your 4 whole months in england you know nothing about the assimilation of immigrants into the uk. you have drawn conclusions from your unfortunate and self-inflicted experiences which, ironically, once again, is what you accuse me of

You are however correct, no polish person has anything in common with you

for this, of course, i am enternally grateful
Misty 5 | 144  
14 Feb 2009 /  #174
and despite your 4 whole months in england you know nothing about the assimilation of immigrants into the uk. you have drawn conclusions from your unfortunate and self-inflicted experiences

Sokrates, this comment has hit the nail right on the head. Perhaps if your experiences have been different you would have different views. Four months is not enough at all. Did you travel around or remain in the one area?

I have a friend who won't return to Poland because where she lives she sees too much intolerance. She likes the UK for the fact it is more tolerant (about more issues than race). She has friends here from Romania, England, Philippines, Scotland, Wales, Ireland, Sweden and France which she enjoys and learns from. She says she wouldn't have this opportunity in Poland (at least where she comes from).
Foreigner4 12 | 1,769  
14 Feb 2009 /  #175
and despite your 4 whole months in england you know nothing about the assimilation of immigrants into the uk.

Well, with all due respect, unless you have experienced being an immigrant in the uk his experiences as an immigrant there probably outweigh yours.

You are however correct, no polish person has anything in common with you, luckily.

for this, of course, i am enternally grateful

I don't get it BubbaWoo, assuming you're not being self-depricating, why would it be ok for you to slag off Polish traits but you come down on this guy for his distaste for 3rd world multiculturalism?

I admit that i'd get a little annoyed if someone spent a measly 4 months where I'm from and then started going off about what's wrong with the place but isn't that what's going on here with foreigners coming in to Poland and suddenly trying to tell Poles to be more "multicultural?"

I think that is the sentiment here and I think that's a load of b.s. If you want the multicultural experience then go back home to multi-cultural land where everyone holds hands and sings songs and enjoy your curries (to die for I admit). But If Poles decide they want to keep 3rd world immigrants or immigrants from overcrowded crap-holes out of Poland then so be it.

It seems hypocritical, ok it is hypocritical for Poles to emmigrate but not accept immigrants but it's not the fault of Poles who elect to stay within their country that other nations accept immigrants- if Stanisław Polak has been living his life in his town and doesn't want to deal with immigrants then his opinion whether we think it informed or not.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
14 Feb 2009 /  #176
Well, that's true as well. However, as long as they can accept that multiculturalism may land on their doorstep, then that's fine.
lukimp80 1 | 74  
14 Feb 2009 /  #177
[quote=Misty

I have a friend who won't return to Poland because where she lives she sees too much intolerance. She likes the UK for the fact it is more tolerant (about more issues than race). She has friends here from Romania, England, Philippines, Scotland, Wales, Ireland, Sweden and France which she enjoys and learns from. She says she wouldn't have this opportunity in Poland (at least where she comes from).[/quot

This is great. Wouldn't it be nice if all of you liberals could live together with your colored friends? Maybe Y'all could get a small island or maybe even Ireland, and form your own enclave. The world can learn a lot from you. That way there would be no discontent. A separate world.. That sounds good to me.
osiol 55 | 3,922  
14 Feb 2009 /  #178
Four months isn't long enough to see a country, especially if you only live and work in a couple of different places. You're most likely to live in only one town, probably in a not-so well-off area and do a job that doesn't mix you with a particularly wide variety of people.
Foreigner4 12 | 1,769  
14 Feb 2009 /  #179
true but comments like yours better serve challenging the op than disparaging comments about poles and poland do.

However, as long as they can accept that multiculturalism may land on their doorstep, then that's fine.

why should they have to accept it? why is that fine? whether the indigenous population of a place accepts or rejects these notions is their choice and not ours to stamp with approval.
BubbaWoo 33 | 3,510  
14 Feb 2009 /  #180
unless you have experienced being an immigrant in the uk his experiences as an immigrant there probably outweigh yours.

i think there are 2 points here - firstly, a 4 month visit hardly classes him as an immigrant and secondly, he has already explained how his racist biggoted views had a huge impact on his experiences in england

why would it be ok for you to slag off Polish traits

you seemed to have answered this in your next paragraph. but just as importantly, i do it to bring home a point -

It seems hypocritical

it is hypocritical. he is of course free to come on here and spout his nasty views, but to complain when someone turns round and does the same to him makes him a hypocritical kunt.

there are many immigrant groups in the uk, to assume, which he does, that some how the polish are better than the blacks, muslims or whoever is just taking pressumptions a little bit to far.

he belongs to one of the immigrant groups responsible for the recent backlash against immigration, yet he sits their happily complaining about immigrants and their impact on societies. the cheek of it

i dont live in poland - i left for greener pastures. i have my curry and i eat it. if poles want to keep 3rd world immigrants and other immigrants from other crap holes as you put it, then thats all well and good. their choice

but they would do well to remember that they come from a country that was not far off a 3rd world crap hole not so many years ago - and appreciate the opportunitites that have been given so they can scrape themselves out of it

it would be nice if they shared the opportunities they have had with others equally unfortunate. but if we take sokrats unpleasent views as an example, then this is not something they can find it within themselves to do

oh well

fuk em

im off to eat another curry

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