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Poland..wake up to a multicultural world


blacksoul  - | 17  
10 Apr 2009 /  #691
but not call anyone racist:)

If u want, you can quote just a part of the sentence and turn it upside down... What i have said is as simple as 1 + 1...if u call it 11, its up to you.

Why should being a minority be virtuous, i'm convinced there's nothing inherently noble about it

Where were u when everyone slammed on blacks and Arabs on this thread. Now i have come here to shut mouths and now no one talks anymore, instead you all have deviated from the issue to the origin of the word slavic....

If nobody will fight for them, I will fight for them on this forum...Multiculturalism is not about immigration...its about an understanding and respect for different cultures and races. The author of this thread was clear..and i will quote ....he said...

If u need to progress, you need a multicultural society,made up of whites, yellows, browns, blacks. If you continue to put up an intollerant attitude towards foreigners...it wont be long before u realise that this world is way ahead of U guys

There is so much intolerance here and its hurting...Haven't you heard of the phrase "live and let live"
Foreigner4  12 | 1768  
11 Apr 2009 /  #692
If u want, you can quote just a part of the sentence and turn it upside down..

no way dude, those quotes are unaltered. You won't call anyone racist names but you are quick to call others racists. This isn't an accusation, just a record of your posts for you to read into what you will.

My question:

Why should being a minority be virtuous, i'm convinced there's nothing inherently noble about it.

Your answer:

Where were u when everyone slammed on blacks and Arabs on this thread.

What are you getting at sir? I can't make any sense of your response. Again I ask you, why should being a minority be virtuous?

Now i have come here to shut mouths and now no one talks anymore, instead you all have deviated from the issue to the origin of the word slavic....

Sorry if this bothers you my good man but your whole position was based on using the past for context so I offered you a little more context sorry if that is difficult to take on board.

Multiculturalism is not about immigration...its about an understanding and respect for different cultures and races.

Can a society be multicultural then and be comprised of one ethnicity or one race? Don't gimme that b.s., the two are inextricably connected in today's world.

There is so much intolerance here and its hurting

Dude there's intolerance everywhere and it's the most natural thing in the world. Being less tolerant and accepting of others who are less closely connected ethnically, racially or genetically is the most natural thing in the world. Maybe there's something we can do to fix that these tendencies have been with the human race since forever, so somehow I doubt massive immigration will do anything that hasn't happened before.

Possibly offending analogy (if you subscribe to the idea we aren't animals):
We're different breeds of the same species, kinda like how Alsatians are different than Dobermans, Rottweilers are different than Cane Corsos, etc. Imagine you have a bunch of Afghan wolfhounds raised a certain way, in a certain climate (let's say in afghanistan) and suddenly threw them in with some border collies on a scottish farm how do ya think that would go? Or throw a bunch of chimps onto borneo and see how them and orangutans get on. We're a lot simpler than we like to think.

Now go back and read POST #658 OF THIS THREAD. He nailed it!
Seanus  15 | 19666  
11 Apr 2009 /  #693
Well, not really. He confused meritocracy and MC. He didn't even touch on social opportunity, only mentioned skills.
Foreigner4  12 | 1768  
11 Apr 2009 /  #694
Sorry Seanus but he hauled out the b.s. like social opportunity and other liberal fairied terms on a flatbed and used it to fertilize a large plot of the correct.

It was poor reading comprehension which resulted in misinterpretation of his words of wisdom. Yoshi pointed to what works and makes sense, MC doesn't have to play into meritocracy. He nailed it and it's up to us to recognize the greatness that is post #658.
Seanus  15 | 19666  
11 Apr 2009 /  #695
Social opportunity is not BS. The thing is, there is excessive selectivism in what he said. It would be nice were countries to pick and choose who they could lift and transplant into their meritocratic system but MC is a broader church. In life, you have to accept the bad with the good and you cannot engineer societies in the way that he envisages.

I know what you mean though. You let MC run riot and you move closer to the sh*t pool that he mentioned.
Foreigner4  12 | 1768  
11 Apr 2009 /  #696
It would be nice were countries to pick and choose who they could lift and transplant into their meritocratic system but MC is a broader church.

and those who subscribe to it pay homage to a false god.

In life, you have to accept the bad with the good

but as you alluded to the bad of the current system seems to outweigh the good by a very large margin:

You let MC run riot and you move closer to the sh*t pool that he mentioned.

you cannot engineer societies in the way that he envisages.

i thought japan was doing something similar, enlighten me. I'll be back tomorrow though it's gettin too late for this... still though, I have to disagree, social opportunity is b.s.
Seanus  15 | 19666  
11 Apr 2009 /  #697
Social opportunity is not BS at all. You negate socialism in one dismissive stroke if you say so.

Japan is a very homogeneous country. I meant engineering by selectivism.

Yeah, it is late. TBC my good friend :)
HatefulBunch397  - | 658  
11 Apr 2009 /  #698
and those who subscribe to it pay homage to a false god.

If someone want to pay homage to a false god that's their choice. Why should someone tell them it's not good?

If we want to we can always build an effigy out of Peeps. That would be cool.
Foreigner4  12 | 1768  
11 Apr 2009 /  #699
You negate socialism in one dismissive stroke if you say so.

interpret it however you want, that's on you not me. Meritocracy is the way to go and it's only foolishness that would prevent anyone from recognizing that. Social opportunity, pffft, what's that even supposed to mean (within the framework of a MC/immigration discussion)?

If someone want to pay homage to a false god that's their choice.

and if they want the rest of us to sacrifice for their choice then what?
Now if you'll excuse me, i'm off to purchase a summer scarf. And no, it's not for me, i'm not that light in the loafers.
Seanus  15 | 19666  
11 Apr 2009 /  #700
I didn't say a meritocracy wasn't the way to go, I also believe in that. However, it really fails to work in practice. Gits who do damage to the world, the Rockefellers for example, earn bucketloads of cash. Is that a meritocracy?

Social opportunity, ask an American For4. Yes, there still exists many cultures together but providing chances for immigrants eases tensions. They are then not perceived as scrounging layabouts. It makes the difference between a 'salad bowl' and a 'melting pot'. (I'm assuming you remember your Modern Studies schooling)
Foreigner4  12 | 1768  
12 Apr 2009 /  #701
it really fails to work in practice

A lot of things fail to work in practice but this seems more to do with us being people and prone to cocking things up. I fail to see your point.

Gits who do damage to the world, the Rockefellers for example, earn bucketloads of cash. Is that a meritocracy?

to answer your question you must answer whether you view what an individual like that brings to the table as a merit or not- you tell me.

Yes, there still exists many cultures together but providing chances for immigrants eases tensions.

This assumes a position which i simply don't subscribe to. I don't think one should be admitted as an immigrant unless it's determined they have merits, a lot like how Polish policies are within Poland. If that were the case then this would all be moot.
Castanea  - | 75  
12 Apr 2009 /  #702
The world belongs to us, the human species and to other species we share it with. It's time for everyone to do their part and start treating the world like an equal. In this new world "slaves" are obsolete. There are no longer any "slaves". We all work together for the good of mankind and we all get paid for the work that we do.

Hateful you are a living joke. Your multicultural psycho babble is a large steaming pile. There is a plethura of evidence against your stand point. Crime statistics, common sense, evolution, cultural differences, history, university studies, behavioral studies. You and your contemporaries have been discredited time and time again everday.

The only reason people like you continue to vomit these lies is because of your media and educational indoctrination.
Wroclaw Boy  
12 Apr 2009 /  #703
In this new world "slaves" are obsolete.

Let me use America and the state of Florida for example:

Im my frequent visits to this state i regularly ate at fast food outlets (Arbies super roast beef and cheddar sandwich) was my favourite. I would say 80% of the time I experienced a black Floridian US national serving from the otherside looking back at me with real contempt.

If thats not modern slavery I dont what is.
Castanea  - | 75  
12 Apr 2009 /  #704
What? That black is getting paid. She is not a slave. If a white works minimum wage I guess he or she is a slave too? Oh right no. Lets all feel sory for the black with a job.
Wroclaw Boy  
12 Apr 2009 /  #705
Lets all feel sory for the black with a job.

Its all in the percentages really, 80% white minmum wage workers in a black dominated country the same woiuld apply, you catching the drift?
Ignac  - | 28  
12 Apr 2009 /  #706
[quote=Wroclaw B I would say 80% of the time I experienced a black Floridian US national serving from the other side looking back at me with real contempt.[/quote]

There has been a cultural war going on in the States since 1960. You dont see it in the media. It is all hush hush.The minorities get anything that they want. Affirmative Action, welfare.Black political caucuses, Acorn ( A black anarchist group partially funded by the government)

America is going to hell. They are now talking about legalizing two million Hispanic. ( All illegal Aliens) This is an attempt for the liberal Democrats to fill the voter polls with Hispanic votes. The Republicans are just as bad.
Wroclaw Boy  
12 Apr 2009 /  #707
To be honest i was shocked at the way blacks were treated when i was in Florida, its all rosey on the surface.

Like the way a shop keeper keeps an eye on the blacks in his store but not the whites.
Ignac  - | 28  
12 Apr 2009 /  #708
Like the way a shop keeper keeps an eye on the blacks in his store but not the whites.

The shop keepers would prefer that the blacks would not shop in their stores at all, they steal more than they buy.
Seanus  15 | 19666  
12 Apr 2009 /  #709
You can advocate a meritocracy but there are many obstacles to it being fair, thus taking the merit out of meritocracy somewhat.

Exactly my point Foreigner, it's overly subjective and one man's meritworthy deed is another's hell.

Surely the merits test would be easy to prove? As people, we all have merits of some description or another. It just depends who is doing the judging and how strict they wish to judge this 'merit'.
southern  73 | 7059  
12 Apr 2009 /  #710
Meritocracy doesn't exist in my opinion.All I have seen are subjective evaluations.And let's say,are the ones doing actually the job better paid than the ones doing less or even nothing?I doubt.Because distribution of income is not according to production.
Seanus  15 | 19666  
12 Apr 2009 /  #711
Exactly right, the rich have learned how to get richer and NOT through merit either. I even heard of a 'snow bonus' of 250 pounds given to bosses when their workers had just gotten the sack. There are huge bonuses which bosses are adept at stealing, it beats me how they can get off with it.
southern  73 | 7059  
12 Apr 2009 /  #712
the rich have learned how to get richer and NOT through merit either

Even when they completely fail,the managers get bonuses.The company can bankrupt but they still get huge wages and compensations.It is not about meritocracy anymore.It is more about connections and power.Probably you get the money because the banker who will give the loan to company is your friend.
Seanus  15 | 19666  
12 Apr 2009 /  #713
You could back the above up with loads of evidence, southern. What you say is just reality and very accurate. Nepotism is not meritocratic.
PurpleLeo  2 | 47  
13 Apr 2009 /  #714
There r bare racist ppl on this thread!
Every page I read, black ppl are being attacked.
From black ppl being crime loving to black Africa
falling apart because white ppl were no longer in
power. Ouch! Big ouch!
niejestemcapita  2 | 561  
13 Apr 2009 /  #715
Like the way a shop keeper keeps an eye on the blacks in his store but not the whites.

Oh yeh they do that in the UK too......esp Essex in my exp.
PurpleLeo  2 | 47  
13 Apr 2009 /  #717
ok and the point of this video was?
osiol  55 | 3921  
13 Apr 2009 /  #718
Matthew Henson, Samuel Coleridge Taylor, Ira Aldridge and Queen Charlotte never had CCTV footage taken of anything they got up to. If you don't know who any of them are, you could use the internet. It is right in front of you right now after all.
SRK85  - | 72  
14 Apr 2009 /  #719
I am confused I found Poland to be pretty mulitcultural and fine. I mean jeez there sushi restaurants and mexican places all over krakow. The only problem I saw was black people had more problems clearing customs and passport control it would take them about 20mins to pass.
PurpleLeo  2 | 47  
14 Apr 2009 /  #720
great!

so I'm gunno spend a wonderful 20mins tryna get thru
customs wen I go to Polska cos I'm black!

but I understand, its probably cos u find illegal blacks everywhere.
they come into the country and neva go bck e.g. in France, there are
bare black illegal immigrants from the Franchophone and even anglophone
West African countries etc...
I think its that more than jus cos they black tho don't u think?

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