Poland turning into a religious state? Polish politic and Church.

I would say rather that they take decisions for ALL.... except christians. :)

Polson,

From the French perspective where there is no freedom of expression anymore, things might look different, a communists might sound reliable. :)

Let the 101st person stay home...you can't please everyone, nor should you try to.


So?

It's BS. No one says that. The thing is about making religion one of subjects people may CHOOSE on the final exam (matura) in high school.

No, they take decisions that not bother any religion (Christian, Islam, Buddhism, etc.)
They respect every point of view and not only the majority one :)


If it's a choice, then why not ?

:)

And when there is a conflict of interest between the majority and minority, what do they do? In regular democratic country the rule of majority would be applied. That's what democracy is all about.

We're talking about secular democracies. So decisions are not taken according to religious views but about people's and human's views, no matter where they come from or in what god they believe, that makes this democracy more fair. This kind of democracy tries to make everyone satisfied. Why should the majority be always happy, and the minority always forgotten ?

When there is a conflict, we try to discuss and find a solution, there are no losers in this kind of democracy :)

Hey dudes, take it from a Northern Irish person... you do NOT want religion in politics. It fu*ked us up to the point of killing each other in the name of religion and now we have terrorists in government!!!!

How screwed up is that???

Other than that, have a nice day :o)

Please, Catholic minority have nothing to say in France from many many years. How about current Spanish goverment? Let write it clearly, the goal of the left is to destroy Christianity, by more (slowly step by step) or less polite way (quick 'revolution'). Catholics should not behave like naive fools and lick the asses of "minorities" all the time.


please... How many religious people among them? Any? This conflict is not about religion anymore. Two groups don't like each other, that is all.

Christianity is basically a set of moral values. How come atheists are allowed to take decisions according to their set of values and Christians are not allowed to do the same? It sound like a clearly discrimination if you ask me.


Actually I will reverse the question. Why should the minority be happy and majority forgotten? It just doesn't make any sense for me. If the majority of citizens are atheists why should they be forced to think like Christians and vice versa?


How exactly was it a religious conflict? Did you kill yourself because you were believing in a different God? Or maybe you killed yourself because one religion allows women to be priests? Have you actually heard any disputes between two sides that have anything to do with religion? (sorry if it sounded rude - I’m just curious)

I know Lonely...but things are getting better in Northern Ireland, isn't it ? :) Killing each other for a difference of opinion is so...stone age like...

:)


What Christians in France want ?... Religion has nothing to do in politic anyway. If there are troubles, then they can do demonstrations in the streets (French are the best at it LoL) Politic can talk about religion but religion must be out of politic.


Noone's licking any asses. I can answer you by saying : minorities should not lick the asses of Christians all the time.

:)


Even among French politicians, there are Christians, but when they take decisions, they don't always put "God" or "Jesus" in their discussions. Politic aims at everyone, not only at a part of the population.

Islam or Buddhism or any other religion is basically a set of moral values too.


So for you, it's A or B. Why not A and B ? Why do you want to make a choice between Christians and other people. We have all the same rights, political decisions are for all.

You know this because you live in Northern Ireland obviously?


Yeah it is, in that there are less decent people killed now but the paramilitaries are still dishing out punishment beatings.

My family and I are left alone to get on with it so I can't complain I guess :o)

I really dont understand how in this day and age religion can be such a strong influence on people, maybe 200 years ago when people were not as inteligent or had fewer choices but in 2007, it beggers belief and how is making someone take religion going to help them get a good job? Life is a bout choices and I think an 18 year old can make up their own mind if they want to continue to study religion, it should not be forced.

just my 2p worth

Absolutely correct, Shelly. Freedom of choice is best for all in my book.

Yeah, exactly ;)

Polson,

What you propose is indeed equal rights according to atheist line. Why should majority of Christians allow minority of atheists always dictate conditions? This is the case, when French atheist run this country then they try marginalize the influence of Christianity as much as possible. While countries with Christian majority are told to do the same for sake of demands of atheist minority. What is outstanding is hypocrisy of so called "fighting atheists" (not all are such) whom often claim that other religions are discriminated. Obviously they don't care about other religions, neither those who represent these religions raise similar complaints.

Furthermore, you have false imagine of Polish politics, politicians don't talk about God or Jesus like you suggest. Those Christian simply support solutions only in agreement with Christian ethnic and have full right to do so, don't matter what some atheists say.


Religion in the UK is marginal factor. Few Poles went to the UK and some time ago I read British media claiming that already number of masses going Catholics is bigger than Anglicans.


Perhaps you are not as much intelligent as you think? Otherwise why would you claim that religion is supposed to provide somebody a good job?


In what country they are forced?

No, politic has no religion, that's all. Atheists are those who don't believe in God. Don't think that France is run by atheists, i don't think so. Sarkozy may be Christian. Chirac, before Sarko, might be too. The thing is that they didn't take decisions with the consent of the Church. It doesn't mean they didn't respect Christians, or didn't care about them.


They maybe don't talk about Jesus or God, but their decisions are totally in accordance with the Church way of thinking, and that's not the best for a country.

The Kaczynskis who are (or were) regular church goers are very influenced by the Church and rule the country according to what the Church wants and the Holy Bible says.

:)


Maybe in Poland, if the gov decides to make religion a compulsory A-Level subject...

Thats not going to be hard and probably more muslims going to the mosqe than catholics - what is your point?


read my post again, I said quite the opposite.


I would say compulsary is forced, no?

They are not, because they do not follow Christian ethic.


Christians should follow Christian ethnic (not atheist standards), this is obvious. The church is not a problem, politicians are.


Kaczynski are not so religious, they search voters among such people. For example what do you dislike in Bible? What have so negative influence on the state?


Somebody here already explained that this is not the case. Beside of that religion is also a knowledge and if atheists would know something about it then maybe they would not talk crap.


Hard, very funny... Most British whom declare to be Anglican doing this from nationalist/traditionalist reason not religious.


But you somehow blame religion for this.

You can be Christian and not being a regular church goers, you can be Christian and think on your own, you can be Christian and take fair decisions for all.


Then what would we do in France where there is a big Muslim minority ? There are also Jews and of course Christians. If decisions are taken in accordance to only one of these religions, then there might be some trouble...That's why a country needs fair decisions, for everyone to be concerned by them.


Jaroslaw before he became PM used to go to church every Sunday with his beloved mummy. That's a proof for me to say that he is a bit "religious".

The Bible is a good book, but are we obligated to make a world according to all what is said in it ?...
Negative influence...look at all the "religious" countries (no matter what religion) : they are not well developped, and not becoming because their religion slows down the whole country...Except for countries were the majority of the people is Protestant. They have not the same views about money.

I read one day a Polish person (don't remember if it was one of the Kaczki...but it was a politician), he said that he'd prefer a poor Poland but Christian, than a rich Poland but less Christian...a bit scary, isn't it ?

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sorry can you repeat that , I dont understand.


I was merely stating that forcing someone to study religion that will in no way help them with their careers is in turn going to have a knockon affect.

How is this relevant to what i said???? confused.com


hmmmm?

This is what Christians by the name only think but they are wrong. Different people differently understand what is fair. Christian ethic for sure don't take on target anybody.


You need to understand that egalitarianism so worshiped in France since 1789 lead your country to such problems. If the French people wont finally wake up and deport all of rioters that are unable to assimilate you will end badly... If immigrant settle in some country then he must accept local customs and that is all. In France of course you care how to not offend them. Ridiculous.


This is important what religion, because these are very different. Prosperity depends a lot from geographical location, climate. Catholicism clearly separate state from the church, so it cannot slow down anything. In Eastern Orthodox and Protestant countries state practically use the church to realization of state goals. Church is often government marionette.

An opinion of this one person is not common. Both aims are possible to archive and this is the best solution.

What blocks prosperity in Europe is socialism. The worst s--holes in Europe are Poland, Belarus, Moldova and France. So this have nothing to do with religion.

We have been welcoming immigrants for decades now, how could we send them "home" ? By the way, most of them live in very poor countries, and sometimes dangerous countries to live in. As all humans, they have the right to come here. You're talking about our customs. France is a secular (as Poland), then there is no state religion. Everyone is free to have his own religion as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else. We respect immigrants and their customs, that's all, i find nothing ridiculous about this.


I really hope so :)

Simply those who failed to assimilate should be sent. Of course you need pay them some cash.


OK, so lets sacrifice France :)


OMG, you leaned nothing from the mistakes of French immigration policy.


Nothing ridiculous? How about constantly burning cars (constructional weakness?) and other attacks?

How about france being a wonderful cultural place with an electric atmosphere....and every country has its riots...


when you say assimilate - do you mean those that dont speak the language? dont eat the same food? dont have the same religion? prefer to live with "their own kind"? Sell their own food in their own shops?


Dont worry, Poland is in the EU now, you will get your fair share too :)


Neither did England, but maybe we will work on it....

We're talking about families, men, women and children, not about some meaningless dunnowhat :)
I don't think that some cash would replace safety and minimum comfort...


Immigration did a lot to French culture. There are not only bad points about immigration :)


I didn't say everything was perfect. Nothing's perfect. And what should i have learnt ?...


Haha, you're not living in France, do you ? :)
You're taking some idiots to generalize to all minorities. And by the way, among those idiots who burn cars (constantly is a bit strong for me), there are a lot of white French people.

:)

Not every and many even if they have then not caused by immigrants. Also I don't talk about all minorities but about those from outside of Latin civilizational circle. Several times I have seen report in TV describing such event in bigger cities suburbs. Native French, those who join this should be imprisoned but majority of immigrants should be deported.


I mean those criminals.


Fortunately they don't consider our country to be attractive. Our immigration policy also seems to be much more strict.


France at last started to win some medal in sport? :) Seriously, what Muslim immigration added to French culture?

Native French don't join them, they are with the others from the beginning, and live in the same crap. That's why they act like asses, they live in f*cking suburbs.


Not yet, my friend, not yet ;)
Even if there are already some new "faces" in Poland...
Indians are coming to Poland, Ukrainians are already there and still coming...for Africans it's not the easiest country to reach, and Germany and France (for example) are still more attractive for them, but for how long ?... :)


A big part of our athletes are from immigration. In football, we are among the best in the world...even in tennis, we have some young black players who are quickly improving...and France has usually more medals than Poland...even in Winter Games which is a shame for a country such as Poland...i hope things are going to change :)

Muslim immigration gave the French culture new musical sounds, singers, actors, humorists, writers, and many others...

:)

Ukrainian immigration is OK, they have no problems to assimilate. What is more often they are just temporary workers like Poles in Britain. We just need to monitor what our politicians planing and of course leave the EU :)


Our team sports improved a lot recently, individual competitions otherwise. Our infrastructure is still backward. Bur we base on native Poles and not foreign legions :) About winter sports this is also true, however Poland never will be too strong. We have very small mountains in opposition to France and in the rest of our territory there is always a lack of snow.


So you say that because of that, this was worth to bring all of them to France?