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Poland threatens to reject EU treaty


Lukasz 49 | 1,746  
7 Oct 2007 /  #61
to stick to the subject

Poland threatens to reject EU treaty

I feel that more than half of EU citizens count on Poland smashing this project, because only crazy Poles can do it ;))

Why I think so :) It is enought to see why EU leaders are so affraid to do referendum about this treaty in their countries. I would like to see out put of new referendum in Holand, UK, France ... there will be no chance for this treaty ;)))

In my opinion EU leaders should notice that final of this negotiations is just 3 days beffore our elections, If they really want this constitution they should make some commisons ;) all in all we want commisions in cases the most EU citizens wants to have. And who cares that we are going to weak German position ;) to be honest I dont belive that EU citizens want to be leaded by this nation, just because they are the bigest.

as to salvic union without russians

we did in the past
Crow 150 | 9,544  
7 Oct 2007 /  #62
Hungary is in a similar position to many of the Slavic countries, but you want to set them up as the enemy.
Hmm! That would be great for international stability.

Listen, it is Hungarian state who endanger regional stability, with their provocation of Slovakia and Serbia.

Also,

They have understandings for USA moves in the region and when Russia move, they block Russian acces to Balkan, even if Patriarch of Orthodox Church wants to fly with airplane via Hungaria.

Hungaria is one of German instruments in the region and they won`t hesitate to provoce even war when Germany decide to play that card.
Lukasz 49 | 1,746  
7 Oct 2007 /  #63
crow my Serb slavic friend I think that slav union is issue for next subiect on this forum

but I have to agree Hungarians are German card in their poker
Crow 150 | 9,544  
7 Oct 2007 /  #64
to stick to the subject

Poland threatens to reject EU treaty

well, seams to me that we are all very on topic

Let me tell you something

Maybe somebody suggest that Catholic Africans or Italians are closer to Poles then Orthodox Russians? [just taken Russians for example]

or

Maybe somebody think that Orthiodox Africans and Greeks are closer to Russians then Catholic Poles?

Well, when Italian and Greek face each other somwhere in the world, you know what they say? They say: `Una faca, una rasa`

Now, tell me - Why would religion divide Slavs?

but, there is hope...

You know what Catholic and Protestant Lusatian Serbs say to Balkan Orthodox Serbs, anywhere in the world and on the Net?

They say: `Zdravo brate`

crow my Serb slavic friend I think that slav union is issue for next subiect on this forum

I`m all in

let`s start the pool with comments pro at contra

How many people other than Crow even want such a union?

Even one man can make the difference

.. but, I am not alone. I am just one voice of milions of voices
osiol 55 | 3,922  
7 Oct 2007 /  #65
There are many different ways people are more similar or more different.
Why choose a linguistic grouping over anything else?

I am just one voice of milions of voices

Only most of the others are saying completely different things.
Crow 150 | 9,544  
7 Oct 2007 /  #66
There are many different ways people are more similar or more different.

True

Why choose a linguistic grouping over anything else?

I agree and so, I speak about heritage in general not only about linguistic, religious, spiritual, cultural, blood/genetic grouping, etc, etc. If you take any of those factors separately you falling in vulgarization of subject.

It is right of all of us to have a choice, to choose even principle of grouping. But, no matter which principle one uses for grouping, one can’t disregard all other factors that are elements of personality (heritage).

Quoting: Crow
I am just one voice of milions of voices

Only most of the others are saying completely different things.

No, I`m not that unique
osiol 55 | 3,922  
7 Oct 2007 /  #67
Congratulations! You have undone your own argument.
Crow 150 | 9,544  
7 Oct 2007 /  #68
This Poland – EU situation inspired me to remind on words of great Scottish essayist Thomas Carlyle...

``And now if a whole nation fell into that? ... infallibly they will return out of it. For life is no cunningly-devised deception or self deception, it is a great truth that thou art alive, that thou hast desires, necessities: neither can these subsist and satisfy themselves on delusions, but on fact. To fact, depend on it, we shall come back: to such fact, blessed or cursed, as we have wisdom for.``
ukpolska  
8 Oct 2007 /  #69
"We are not happy with the current text, because elements we wanted are not in there," said a senior Polish diplomat, requesting anonymity. "We are not yet ready to approve this treaty in its current form."

The ruling party, Law and Justice (pis), must have known that its opposition would only entrench its image as backward, stupid and intolerant. Whatever the merits of re-energizing public debate on abortion and euthanasia, surely Poland's concerns could have been framed more diplomatically, by means offering a better chance of success. So why did pis decide to fight this losing battle?

The answer is simple - the battle was not fought for the benefit of the EU, but rather to please the domestic audience. The EU is a favorite villain of the downtrodden countryside - a key pis constituency - which sees it as the latest in a series of foreign powers looking to engulf Poland and erase its culture. The Kaczyńskis can now claim to have stood up to the EU on a major cultural issue.

pis's pandering may win them the upcoming elections,but when its leaders return to Brussels, any remaining credibility they had held among EU politicians will be lost. Poland has played the role of stubborn outcast for so long, it is beginning to be ignored. Last week, the Council of Europe approved the establishment of an anti-death-penalty day despite Poland's opposition.

This does not bode well for Poland's negotiating power in the EU. When pis is called upon to defend Poland's interests, it will likely prove impotent - a lame duck. And in the countryside, a lame duck usually faces execution sooner or later, sooner I prey.
johan123 1 | 228  
8 Oct 2007 /  #70
Moskiewski dziennik nazywa szefa polskiego rządu "mistrzem politycznej rozgrywki". "Jarosław Kaczyński nie ma prawa jazdy, jednak wie, jak utrzymać się za kierownicą Polski" - konstatuje "Niezawisimaja Gazieta".
Crow 150 | 9,544  
8 Oct 2007 /  #71
Undone? No. On the contrary! My argumentation is stronger.
osiol 55 | 3,922  
10 Oct 2007 /  #72
Your argument doesn't stop, but your argument is weak.

linguistic, religious, spiritual, cultural, blood/genetic grouping

All different, for example:
Catholic, Protestant, Orthodox, for example.
Native speakers of Slavonic languages do not have a common genetic origin.

I rest my case.

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