Russia opens archives and Poland demands minority rights from Germany

Maybe because Soviets were busy occupying Poland. Whom did they pay or do they pay? You see Germany is still making monthly payments to victims.

Why not for Polish ?

How can I have lost? It would be impossible for you to prove that Germany paid compensation for the Soviets because Germany never paid compensation for the Soviets! You really do need to pay attention in history lessons.


Why should Germany pay any money to anybody for the Polish? If Polish people committed war crimes, Poland should pay for those, not Germany.

Truth is Soviets where in charge of Poland and they had what they wanted. There are Jewish Poles that get compensation from Germany just not the ones that are left out of Holocaust. In fact 6 million was the # of Jewish Poles prior to 1989, when that # was cut in half to 3 million and 3 million non Jewish Polish listed the money collected on behalf of latter non Jewish Poles was never given to them. In the USA victims of Stalin and/or non Jewish victims are not in Holocaust.

I aggree Salomon, in fact I feel Russia should pay compensation to both Poland and Germany. Soviets took eastern Poland and paid with the land Germans resided on.

Germans murdered 6 mln people in Poland. 3 mln were Jews ... the rest was ethnic Polish.


When you pay the debt for wrong person - you have this debt all the time.

When you don't pay your debt it is not forgotten.


How many were killed on Stalins orders? This continued ever after the end of the war.

Yes, we all know that. My question was "Why should Germany pay compensation for Poland?" and you have provided only a reason as to why Germany should pay compensation for Germany.


Well, not unless you are the Polish government and your debt is due to property which you stole from the pre-war owners. If that is the case, your debt is completely forgotten!

Oh well so why Germany should pay for Germany compensation. If they have killed 6 mln Polish citzens ... 3 mln were non Jewish Polish citzens...

The funneis thing is that everybody wants something from Poland when Poland was robbed ... and devasted by all enemies...

Yes. We are completely agreed that Germany should pay compensation for Germany. We simply disagree as to whether Germany should pay compensation for the Soviets and whether they actually did pay compensation for the Soviets. If you insist that they did, please provide the amounts paid and the dates on which they were paid.

We debateted about it on this forum ... you lost in this deate.

You make stupid claims. Germans payed for Jewish victimes of Holocaust and their organisations abut have never compensated Poland. For invasion for that that they murdered 6 mln Polish citzens (3 mln were non Jews) that they completly devasteted Poland ect. Milions were victieses of other kinds of exlopatation ...

Harry is discusting creature.

No I did not.
Please try to understand that no matter how many times you repeat a lie, it will never become the truth.

Germany very simply did not pay compensation for the Soviets.

As we all know, Germany did pay compensation to the Soviets but Germany did not pay compensation for the Soviets.

If you want to carry on with your pathetic lie, please provide the following information:
1) To whom did Germany pay compensation for the Soviets?
2) For what reason did Germany pay compensation for the Soviets?
3) In what amounts did Germany pay compensation for the Soviets?
4) On what dates did Germany pay compensation for the Soviets?
5) Under which agreements did Germany pay compensation for the Soviets?

That is the point If I owe somethnig for John and I give back this for Dorota then ... I still owe somethnig for John.

No you don't. You do not owe anything for John.

But, if you owed something to John and John asked you to give it to Dorota because she was going to pass it on to him and Dorota stole it, you wouldn't owe anything to John (or for John): Dorota is the one who would owe him the money and John shouldn't have been stupid enough to trust the lying b!tch.

Germany and Svoiet Union together invaded Poland in 1939. Germany payd comensation for crimes commited on Poles to the Soviets ... it is sick.

It is Germans problem that they payd it to wrong country.

Poland asked Germany to pay the money like that. Don't blame the Germans for doing what Poland asked them to do. Your fight is with the Russians: they stole your money.

LOL


It is not true. Poland was sold for Soviets . Anny way harry ... your stroies are less and less inportant as long as America brokes relationship with Poland...

you can moan as you like about Israel or what ever you want.

No, Poland was taken by the Soviets.

Solomon,

You seem to have a problem with English prepositions. I suggest you do something about that if want to be understood. It makes all the difference.


This proves you understand what he is trying to say and you're just being an idiot. Some of my friends want kick your ass. Shall I point them in the right direction? The thing is your posts are displayed on our screen at the pub and they seem ofended. I just don't know what to do. :)

LOL


Russia did not steal that money, Germans simply paid off what they owed to Russia and burden of proof is on them. If they indeed paid off their debt they should have the receipts from Polish government, you just don't transfer money without any proof do you.


Your analogy is flawed, we are all grown up now and if we owe money it usually means a bank not Johnny, even if that was the case why would you give the money to Dorota. If you pay your loan off to bank X while the loan was taken with bank Y, did you really paid off that loan? Bank Y dose not give a fvck who you give the money to even if it's Dorota, all it knows you did not pay off your loan and it has the right to kick you out of the house, after all the house belongs to the bank. Any court of law will side with the bank Y, if that's the case, the burden of proof is on you to prove to the court whether or not you paid off your loan to bank Y, in which case you should have your receipt. Even you can't be that stupid Harry, as for the Germans if they indeed paid it to the Soviets (bank X in this case or Dorota) they have as much common sense as you do.


No Poland was betrayed by, you know who.

What about Poland's share of the German merchant fleet that it was agreed by the Soviets, Great Britain and USA was to come out of the USSR's share of German war-reparations? If Poland didn't receive these ships as was its due from USSR then they must have been unlawfully witheld (ie., stolen) by the Soviets?


You know who? It can be argued that Poland was in part betrayed by its own ineffectual goverment-in-exile based in London who after the death of Sikorski could not even present a united front to the major powers.

I prefer the reaction when one points out to certain Poles that Britain couldn't betray Poland as regards the USSR even if it had wanted to: Britain had made it very clear to Poland back in 1939 that no protection at all would be offered from the USSR and Poland accepted that!

It's nearly as good as the reaction one gets when asking "What was the price?" when a Pole says "Britain sold Poland to the Soviets"!

One could also ask what happened to the 'missing' $12,000,000 of Polish aid that was with Anders' Second Corps in Italy after the war and not repatriated to England when the Second Corps was demobilised in UK? Where was this spirited away to and by whom? Franco's Spain maybe?

There's no need to ask: it is obvious that the money was stolen by British agents working for the NKVD and sent to Moscow as part of the deal under which Britain sold Poland to the Soviets.


I've just told you! Sikorski found out about it and that's why the British killed him!

I haven't heard that one before???

yeah 30 thousand poeple - Jews are aiming to run this country little naive girl - Israel is not a safe haven anymore (as depicted by a defeat of Israeli army in Lebanon at the hand of Hesbollah) - and they are desperately looking for some comfort landing - Poland the main target

The National Archives at Kew, London is open to all. Just apply for a readers ticket and you have access to everything that falls outside the non-disclosure rules. You will learn just how much help and support Britain did or did not provide the Polish underground and the Polish-goverment-in-exile during WWII (it was substantial from Britain and the USA—Sikorski was given [not loaned] $120,000,000 dollars in war-aid by the USA alone!) and you will be able find out all the reasons behind the British government's policy failures and successes with regard to Poland; from primary source documents not third-hand or fourth-hand references to references copied and pasted by lazy authors :-)

It would be wise to take the tour before starting your research. The tour shows what's what and how to use the archive.

nowadays, half-Jewish, as I mentioned, little naive boy.

I have a Jewish Grandmother, or Grandfather, not sure. I'm sure that means I'm aiming to run you. But what I would really like is to run you to a finishing school, so you can stop calling people names.

Ksysia - well - your argumentation is flawed - that you do not intend to - or support any Jewish effort to - openly or secretly run this country does not mean there are no Jewish circles that do

why do you believe there are no rumours and fears that Israel may be run in future by the Polish??? maybe because there is no substance to it, don't you think?

I agree that there are persons who want to run 'this country'. There are commies, socialists, Jewish interests, German interests, Russian interests. Each of those groups is doing anything to increase their influence and secure their interests.

What is weird, is that there is surprise at that. As an example, if you start a political party would you not want votes? if you start a lobbyist group would you not want influence?

Complaining about other people reaching for influence is about as logical as complaining about other people walking into a Church before you.

What this country needs is not that Jews, Germans, Russians, Left, Right stop reaching for power, but that average Poles start reaching for power. Being average, we are supposed to be a majority, and would win an election 'w cuglach'.

But of course nobody would vote for them. The same process for centuries - choose a de Valois, Vasa, Vettin, whoever, but not one of us. Others would feel bad about it.