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POLAND'S POPULATION IS SHRINKING...


Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448  
25 Jul 2009 /  #1
The birth-rate in Poland is falling and is now one of the lowest in the world. According to the Mundi Index, out of 221 countries worldwide looked at, Poland had the 193rd lowest number of births, with just 10 per 1000 persons in the population. That's within the fifth lowest birth rate in Europe. The population is falling and protections estimate that there will be four million Poles fewer than today in 2030.

Why do you think this is the case? Is this a favourable or unfavourable development for Poland?
polskieradio.pl/thenews/business/artykul112745_living_longer__on_smaller_pensions.html
Michal - | 1,865  
25 Jul 2009 /  #2
Yes, and the death rate is increasing as well. people are living shorter lives in Poland and more and more of the young are leaving. There is no future in Poland and never has been. Poland has always been a net contributor of other people's populations! Just look at Chicago-its full of the Polish buggers!!
TheOther 5 | 3,831  
25 Jul 2009 /  #3
Forget about global warming and all the other problems - the exploding population growth and demand for resources will kill Earth (and us all). So, it might be unfavourable for Poland, Germany and many other nations with declining populations, but for the planet it's a good development. We have to start somewhere.
ZIMMY 6 | 1,601  
25 Jul 2009 /  #4
The population is falling and protections estimate that there will be four million Poles fewer than today in 2030.

Maybe Poland can import Mexicans - there are plenty everywhere in the U.S.
PlasticPole 7 | 2,649  
25 Jul 2009 /  #5
Zimmy, that might be what Europe ends up doing, just like the US has done, to make up for population deficits. They encourage mass immigration to even out the numbers.
ragtime27 1 | 146  
25 Jul 2009 /  #6
POLES....,make baby not war
mafketis 21 | 7,363  
25 Jul 2009 /  #7
One of the big reasons for the falling birthrate is that young women are afraid they won't be able to find (or keep) a good job if they have kids. This was less a concern in communist times when having kids was not an issue in terms of employment but in the current system it's changing a lot of behaviors, especially since very few men in Poland make enough money to support non-income-generating wife and kids.
Filios1 8 | 1,336  
25 Jul 2009 /  #8
falling birthrate is that young women

There are no young women. They are all busy having abortions in the UK and elsewhere in Europe.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
25 Jul 2009 /  #9
Which just goes to show that it's about options and not principles. How can there be so many mistakes that they want an abortion? Abortions should be costly to serve as a deterrent.
frd 7 | 1,399  
25 Jul 2009 /  #10
I think it's due to the fact that having late children is becoming trendy nowadays. More and more young couples choose a free lifestyle over responsibility and attachment.
southern 75 | 7,096  
25 Jul 2009 /  #11
This was less a concern in communist times when having kids was not an issue in terms of employment

Exactly.In all former communists countries the population is declining with Russia the most prominent example.
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
25 Jul 2009 /  #12
Spot on, frd. There is social pressure to marry but the kids can come later, after the holidays and job hopping.
OP Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448  
25 Jul 2009 /  #13
However the above-cited link says life expectancy is growing in Poland. Perhaps a decline in drinking and smoking may have something to do with it.
Bartolome 2 | 1,085  
25 Jul 2009 /  #14
Who wants children during so unstable times ? Unemployment is looming upon more and more families, so having and proper raising a child or children under such circumstances would be a burden their parents could be unable to bear. And combined absurd properties prices and pathetic salaries force many young couples to stay with their parents for longer that they want.
Matyjasz 2 | 1,544  
25 Jul 2009 /  #15
Who wants children during so unstable times ?

Well there are some lunatics who do actually. ;) At my work there are at least 6 people that are expecting children this year.

I think on the whole, that Bartolome, frd an mafetkis are right, however judging by the numbers of pregnant women looming the streets of Poland these days I expect this year to be a record-breaking one. It's probably a demographic echo of the early 80’s baby boom.
southern 75 | 7,096  
25 Jul 2009 /  #16
Another problem is polish women marrying third wordlers in London thus reducing the available gene pool.
Crow 137 | 7,705  
26 Jul 2009 /  #17
POLAND'S POPULATION IS SHRINKING...

not good

somebody mentined that to Serbs in case with Kosovo before region was taken from us
Seanus 15 | 19,706  
26 Jul 2009 /  #18
You have to send some pretty Serbian women in to encourage procreation, Crow. In this way, a greater connection will be developed :) In turn, some Polish women could help out Serbian men in the future :)
southern 75 | 7,096  
26 Jul 2009 /  #19
I tried to hook up serbian guys with polish girls on vaccations but serbian guys don't get it.They seem too primitive to polish women.
Jihozapad  
26 Jul 2009 /  #20
Who wants children during so unstable times ? Unemployment is looming upon more and more families, so having and proper raising a child or children under such circumstances would be a burden their parents could be unable to bear. And combined absurd properties prices and pathetic salaries force many young couples to stay with their parents for longer that they want.

Doesn't stop all those Africans allegedly living on a dollar a day though, does it?

You have to send some pretty Serbian women in to encourage procreation, Crow. In this way, a greater connection will be developed :) In turn, some Polish women could help out Serbian men in the future :)

not a bad idea this one, at least it keeps the European/Slavic gene pool going ;)
Crow 137 | 7,705  
26 Jul 2009 /  #21
You have to send some pretty Serbian women in to encourage procreation, Crow. In this way, a greater connection will be developed :) In turn, some Polish women could help out Serbian men in the future :)

yes, let us exchange portion of our woman

Please Poles bang our females!

I tried to hook up serbian guys with polish girls on vaccations but serbian guys don't get it.They seem too primitive to polish women.

did you introduced some highlanders to them?
southern 75 | 7,096  
26 Jul 2009 /  #22
did you introduced some highlanders to them?

Yes,probably.Of course polish women are always willing to embrace fellow slavic nations but Serbs seem a bit intimidating,frightening on the outside.
rock - | 460  
26 Jul 2009 /  #23
According the UN population forecasts for 2030, the population of the first 10 countries in Europe as follows.

(million)
RUSSIA 128
TURKEY 91
GERMANY 78
U. KINGDOM 68
FRANCE 66
ITALY 60
SPAIN 50
UKRAINE 40
POLAND 36
ROMANIA 20
Crow 137 | 7,705  
26 Jul 2009 /  #24
without Slavic Alliance, Slavs don`t have chance to survive and preserve their resources for themselves.

Sarmatia Europae is minumum. Poles should think about it seriously. I urge on Poles to think
frd 7 | 1,399  
26 Jul 2009 /  #25
I urge on Poles to think

Or to procreate? : o
Crow 137 | 7,705  
26 Jul 2009 /  #26
sure but anyway, look at megatrends. There is no time. Only Sarmatia Europae could buy some time to us

i am deadly serious about it.
SRK85 - | 72  
26 Jul 2009 /  #27
In most countries to encourage population growth incentives are given to couple who make babies pretty much. Does Poland not give out incentives for couple to have children? Poland is a big enough country to support 50 million I don't know if their economy can support it though.
southern 75 | 7,096  
26 Jul 2009 /  #28
Please Poles bang our females!

I have seen some exciting specimens by slavic interbreeding like women with ukrainian-belarus-russian origin,with polish-lithuanian-ukrainian or czech-slovak-hungarian origin and the results were always exotic.I suppose a serbian-polish mix would lead to phenomenal women.
Bartolome 2 | 1,085  
26 Jul 2009 /  #29
Doesn't stop all those Africans allegedly living on a dollar a day though, does it?

They've been living that way for centuries, if not for thousands of year. And we're Europeans, not Africans. Besides why do you think there's such big exodus from Africa ?
Jihozapad  
26 Jul 2009 /  #30
why do you think there's such big exodus from Africa ?

I can think of a quite a few reasons ;)

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