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Should Poles become a minority in Poland?


OP mrlol  1 | 15  
13 Apr 2009 /  #31
and fourth generation Black British?

West Indian / African

Your ethnic group does not suddenly change.

They are British citizens but English/ Scottish / Welsh blood is not in their veins.

4th generation black British is almost impossible anyway.. third generation max.
CoolMoon  1 | 60  
13 Apr 2009 /  #32
English/ Scottish / Welsh blood

All came from invaders to Britain.
OP mrlol  1 | 15  
13 Apr 2009 /  #33
Do you even believe the British people exist?

How can an African be British? Does British blood run through his veins?

There is a difference between being British and having British citizenship.. or maybe you do not understand this ?
mafketis  38 | 11009  
13 Apr 2009 /  #34
What colour are Europeans?
White.

Then you should be f**king _thrilled_ with Polish immigration. Poles are far whiter than the average white Briton. Coming from a sunny climate I never understand the term 'blush' before coming to Poland.

Poles are white! Welcome them to Britain and ask for more!
niejestemcapita  2 | 561  
13 Apr 2009 /  #35
4th generation black British is almost impossible anyway.. third generation max

nope not impossible at all.

They are British citizens but English/ Scottish / Welsh blood is not in their veins.

Funnily enough quite often it is......thats why they tend to be light brown and have British names
osiol  55 | 3921  
13 Apr 2009 /  #36
I went for a curry the other night with my Mauritian friend. That's quite British. Very British if I mention the cup of tea I had before going out.

Many cultures like to adopt new things and adapt to surroundings. This can happen with immigration - curry, reggae, the wheel and so on. There are immigrants who move culturally when they move to a new country - like Poles who put milk in their tea or my Mauritian friend who tastes are distinctly European. What comes out of this is that everyone changes - we know that culture is not static. But there are people who migrate, who seem not to change in the slightest, even having a hatred for the country they live in, which can be seen in some second generation people.

I do believe that there are countries to which Britain owed a debt, especially at the end of colonial rule. I also believe in the freedom of movement and right to work for EU citizens, but without pointing any fingers at any particular group of migrants, it seems this country has gone too far.

So if you're Polish in Poland, don't point and laugh. Take this is a lesson. We've had bizarre comments from politicians in countries like Finland with no colonial past, saying they need more random immigration from around the world. You can see that freedom to work in other EU countries has helped Poles in many ways, but it doesn't always work that way around.

nope not impossible at all.

Black people have been in Britain for a lot longer than just the 1950s. To a limited extent, you can take that year back by at least another hundred or even more than that.
OP mrlol  1 | 15  
13 Apr 2009 /  #37
All came from invaders to Britain.

Britain has experienced hardly any immigration since 1066.

By your logic no ethnic group exists at all because we all came from somewhere else at the beginning.

Do you understand what homogenous means?
CoolMoon  1 | 60  
13 Apr 2009 /  #38
There is a difference between being British and having British citizenship.. or maybe you do not understand this ?

Perhaps you don't.

Do you even believe the British people exist?

Of course I do. You should understand that Britain was invaded and invaded hundreds of times over history so what you think is British is not really so, there are many mixtures of people that create a British person. It is not a 'pure' thing.
OP mrlol  1 | 15  
13 Apr 2009 /  #39
Funnily enough quite often it is......thats why they tend to be light brown and have British names

You are talking complete nonsense.
osiol  55 | 3921  
13 Apr 2009 /  #40
Britain has experienced hardly any immigration since 1066.

Apart from the Hugenots, Palatine Germans, Flemish, Jews, the Irish, the Irish and more Irish...
niejestemcapita  2 | 561  
13 Apr 2009 /  #41
You are talking complete nonsense.

No Iam not , I am speaking truth. Sorry.
OP mrlol  1 | 15  
13 Apr 2009 /  #42
If 20 million Chinese emigrated to Poland would they now be Polish or would they be Chinese?
CoolMoon  1 | 60  
13 Apr 2009 /  #43
That's ridiculous. You have to ask what they would be 50, 100, 200, 300, 400 years after this migration.
OP mrlol  1 | 15  
13 Apr 2009 /  #44
Answer my question

Are they Polish or not?
osiol  55 | 3921  
13 Apr 2009 /  #45
One of my workmates had had his family tree traced.

Father: farm hand somewhere near Buntingford.
Grandfather: farm hand somewhere near Buntingford.
Great grandfather: farm hand somewhere near Buntingford.
Great great grandfather: farm hand somewhere near Buntingford.
Great great great grandfather: farm hand somewhere near Buntingford.

So many greats, it just shows who has made this country great.
CoolMoon  1 | 60  
13 Apr 2009 /  #46
Are they Polish or not?

Not the minute they arrive in Poland. After many years their descendants become Polish even though they may look Chinese. You're having a heart attack because people you previously felt were minority or 'beneath you' are now not that.

Stop comparing Poland to Britain though, two different countries.
niejestemcapita  2 | 561  
13 Apr 2009 /  #47
One of my workmates had had his family tree traced.

Is HE a farmhand from somewhere near Buntingford? I do hope so..;)
OP mrlol  1 | 15  
13 Apr 2009 /  #48
How does a chinese person become Polish?

How do they become Polish?
osiol  55 | 3921  
13 Apr 2009 /  #49
Is HE a farmhand from somewhere near Buntingford? I do hope so..;)

Almost. A few miles adrift but still working outdoors on the land. Polish girlfriend just to help keep any unpleasant inbreeding phenomena from occuring in the next generation or two, but if they do have kids, I'm sure at least one will be whatever the future equivalent of a farm hand will be, most probably in the Buntingford area.
mafketis  38 | 11009  
13 Apr 2009 /  #50
I don't know about Chinese, but I'm told that Vietnamese kids in Poland outperform Polish children in Polish class.
CoolMoon  1 | 60  
13 Apr 2009 /  #51
How does a chinese person become Polish?

How do they become Polish?

I really don't believe that I am going to have to explain this.

Chinese person moves to Poland, becomes citizen eventually. Marries other Polish citizen. Have children, children are Polish, they have children, they are Polish, the descendants of that Chinese person are Polish even if they look Chinese. It's not too difficult.
Seanus  15 | 19666  
13 Apr 2009 /  #52
One is talking about nationality and ethnic stem whereas the other is discussing naturalisation and the acquisition of citizenship. I tend to favour the former as, even when I marry my fiancee, I will not see myself as Polish. Yes, a citizen of Poland but a national of Scotland.
osiol  55 | 3921  
13 Apr 2009 /  #53
even when I marry my fiancee, I will not see myself as Polish. Yes, a citizen of Poland but a national of Scotland.

But if you have kids in Poland or in Scotland, then what are they? Or what if you were to move somewhere else entirely and have kids? Hang on a sec - kids are baby goats, not baby sheep.
Seanus  15 | 19666  
13 Apr 2009 /  #54
I think you answered the question for me ;)

Yeah, the question is what the kids are and not what I am.
HatefulBunch397  - | 658  
13 Apr 2009 /  #55
to try to convert the entire population of the Indian subcontinent to C of E. You would have thought that the popularity of tea would have been a head start though.

Why british like tea: britainexpress.com/History/tea-in-britain.htm
BB630  1 | 19  
13 Apr 2009 /  #56
Lets just hope they get rid of all your silly roundabouts. They make me dizzy. Maybe they can get you to drive on the right side of the road as well. You're as backwards as lefthanders.
Torq  
13 Apr 2009 /  #57
If 20 million Chinese emigrated to Poland would they now be Polish or would they be Chinese?

If they would choose to live and work in Poland, were granted Polish citizenship,
pay taxes and speak Polish as their first language (maybe not in the first but
in the second generation) then I see no reason why I should condier them anything
else than Polish.

If someone speaks Polish as his first language, is immersed in our culture and history
and considers himself Polish then for me he is as Polish as it gets.

I don't take kindly to any kind of racial nonsense. We are not animals but human beings,
our nationality is in our hearts and souls not in our skin tone or hair colour.
dcchris  8 | 432  
13 Apr 2009 /  #58
our nationality is in our hearts and souls not in our skin tone or hair colour.

good for you. I think the younger generation of Poles are quite open to foreigners. Look at the Vietnamese. Polish people for the most part are quite welcoming of them and happily support their businesses and provide services for them. They come here and work. Their kids go to normal polish schools and speak fluent polish.

I'm told that Vietnamese kids in Poland outperform Polish children in Polish class.

that is normal in many respects for immigrants. look at the usa. the indian and chinese kids excell in school. The parents didn't immigrant so the kids could be average.
southern  73 | 7059  
13 Apr 2009 /  #59
For me Poland remains a white country.Sth like an oasis in western hemisphere.
osiol  55 | 3921  
13 Apr 2009 /  #60
oasis

Surrounded by black Slovakia, the black Czech Republic, black Belorus (looks like a contradiction, I know), black Lithuania and the Baltic which is also predominantly black these days... or am I just posting at night?

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