Should Poles become a minority in Poland?

LOL. Capita, you are a nut. But cute though. You can come up with some funny S**T at times.

that very rude , poor greeks and poor filios.

why thank you,kind sir..;)


que lastima.....:)

Back on topic...this thread is silly, Poles are not about to become a minority in Poland, are they?

Maybe but it is sth different when you meet a crew coming from a cruise boat consisting of thousands of gays.

LOL , okay, that's quite an image.....;O

It is not suggested to swim in the same pool with them or after them.

Especially not for women..unless of course you WANT gay triplets!

Butthe question is...will Poles become a minority in Poland?....:)

You must have lived in Ritz hotel to consider Wroclaw a slum but then again no one is keeping you here.


Luckily even if very partially it is my call but since you're living here you should know best that colored minorities have no future in Poland.


In a liberal who's opting to destroy his own country? Never.


I'm 26 and my views are as they are because i've been to London, every single colored neighbourhood is a shitehole, the ones that are still labeled "colored" but are good have at least 50% whites living in them, the conclusions were obvious to me.


How am i a bigot? I dont want to shoot them, i dont want to starve them i just want to keep them out of my safe and stable Poland because i saw what a mess they did out of fuzzy fluffly multiculti UK.

Despite Wroclaw claims about how cool and nice it is to have them there its not, no one benefits, not the economy, not the wealthfare state, ceirtanly not whites who have been virtually denied certain parts of the city so whats the point in being open minded if all i do is LOSE because of it?

All i want is to keep colored out of Poland, i'm neither alone nor in a minority with this desire so Wroclaw you're wrong, we can protest, we can petition, we can write articles showing what a monkey den countries with large colored minorities became, our welfare and stability is more important than making a paki feel welcome in Warsaw.

I would just love for some one to show me where any country profited from African immigration. They are a drain on any civilized societies.

Funny you should say that im black and my Polish partner is WHITE!!.

@mrlol "Should Poles become a minority in Poland?"
In short, in fact your question is about culture not about ethnic. In order to understand that you need short glimpse of polish history:
- Poles were minority in Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, in fact this Kingdom was much more mixed than current Britain, except colour of skin,
- then Poles were even smaller minority in Germany, Austro-Hungarian Empire and Russia
- then Poles were the bigest minority (less than 50%) in Poland betwen WW1 and WW2
- last sixty years is in fact first time in history (except midle ages when it is arguable to even use a concept of nationality) when Poles weren't minority in Poland...

So, why we are still here? Because of our culture (good or bad, doesn't matter). Culture equals language. And here lies your Brits biggest strength and weakness... Because you gave your language to the world, and the world took it... So your language is no longer yours, ergo you don't possess your culture... Ok, this is exaggeration, but is it really? I think this is the source of problems with a question "what does it mean to be British person ?"

So, at last, to answer your question. Of course Poles shouldn't become a minority in Poland, but in the sense of culture and language. Simply because without coherent culture there is no stable society (even USA has such thing as coherent culture, but it is probably most open culture, monster which so far has been able to consume everything :-) ). Ok, enough, this topic is to complex...

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I'm proposing that people in every country should take control of the governments which obviously are under some other influence.


If you take a wee black boy and rise him in the European family he will share culture and religion with his foster family regardless his racial and genetic characteristic.

So? Is that supposed to make me feel stupid or something? I'm against having thousands of blacks and muslim since your people constitute the absolutely lowest tier of society in UK, i dont want the same dumps here, we can play the liberal game or we can just speak the truth, blacks and muslims are responsible.

You may think i'm a racist but the fact is i dont give a damn whether the issue is racial, cultural, religious or whatever its nature, the problem in UK is very clearly assosiated with blacks, muslims, arabs and turkish/kurdish immigrants and instead of discussing "why are they the way they are" we can do the wonderfully simple thing, keep the borders closed against you.

I dont believe that striving to understand dangerous minorities is worth it when you can just keep them out.


Thats absolutely correct but we're still left with the problem of segregating black people and colored minorities in general by their level of europeization which in itself is too time consuming and faulty, in the end you'll still have an army of undesirables inside your borders.

It depends what period you have in mind. And how you count it :-)
In the biggest moment (in terms of territory, around 1600) it was like this: around 11 milion, 4.5 mln of Poles, 0.75 mln Lithuanians and 5 mln Ruthenians. And of course smaller amount of Jews and Germans (with questions like: Copernicus, Pole or German? don't start it...)


Yes, my fault, I've check East Smaller Poland region, not Poland. Others sources (more or less) are in line with yours. But it doesn't change much my point :-) Which was that most of the time (beside midle ages) Poles was minority or not too dominant majority in Poland.

You miss a very important fact, later in history these minorities (Cossacks specifically) led to a weakening of the state, other minorities (protestant) sided with the Swedes allowing them to take over much of Poland for four years much much later another minority this time the Jews sided with Russians when wiping out Polish elites, if anything the history of Polish tolerance proves that having minorities over is bad thing for business.

They are not mutually exclusive positions, so I'm not sure I understand your point.


Is it? You could at least quote me. I've never made that point to the best of my knowledge.

My point is that in a civilised country, a law abiding person should be free to go about their business, free from discrimination based on perceived ethnic stereotypes. As a member of the EU, where Poles are afforded the right to reside and work across Europe (in most cases free from such discrimination), their citizens would do well to remember this.

I just find the whole argument regarding "Poland staying Polish" to be a little absurd. The number of people who use Britain as an example of decay, overun with foreigners and losing its identity make me laugh. Especially when some of those complaining are foreigners who have come to Britain to live and work. It's kind of like me retiring to my villa in the South of Spain, sitting there with my copy of The Sun, speaking English and eating my full English Breakfast, moaning about vast numbers of Moroccans eating away at the Spanish identity.

You can't have your cake and eat it.


**Seeing as some Poles living in Britain are alcoholic, pike plundering scum who refuse to integrate properly by learning English, surely it would be easier for the UK to not let in any of them?

You talk of Europeization, but the simple fact is that some parts of Europe are more backward than others. Why should an economically advanced state like Britain accept immigrants from the backwaters of Eastern Europe? Especially when these people are culturally inferior.

Some people in Britain view Poles in the same way as Muslims or blacks I'm afraid Sokrates. The simply solution is to deny entry to all immigrants. I mean what's good for Poland is good for Britain right?**

**Ironic post. Not to be taken literally**

Yeah yeah keep going mate, i've been in UK and Poles are not the problem and not perceived as one apart from the fact that they work cheaper and better :))


Yep ,for example some parts of London :)


You've accepted honor murderers already and the only field on which Poland is "backwater" is economically :))


Are we? Could you provide any examples as to why?:)))


Of course but for different reasons, we work better than Brits, currently even high profile jobs will often first look into potential Polish employees then everyone else, you've invited people who take your jobs by virtue of being better and cheaper when doing them its only natural you'll be afraid, we dont murder you though or convert you to our religion:))


Of course not, if you knew whats good for you you wouldnt admit so many Poles since we take your jobs but thats your problem really, i'm just happy that our economy is developing even faster thanks to you suckers.

the community european is making your economy better :) , you are going to be equal to western europe soon but what you dont know is that the community european will send you alot of 3rd world people to your land.

you are going to love it!!!!!!

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We don't? WTF??? :)


I hope that at least you converted somebody :)

I'm going to establish my own state then, if a Brit could do it why cant i?

Go for it, let me know when you have so I can escape Britain ;0)

"Missing point" thing in history discussion vary with point of time which is used to support arguments :-) What you said is true if you choose something around 1600. But why those minorities become so disloyal? Look here (in Polish):

pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kontrreformacja_w_Polsce
and it will become obvious. In late XVI century strong Counter-Reformation took place. Catholic church fought with protestants, and by the way with Orthodox church (Union in Briest in 1596). Counter-reformation in Poland was effiecient process of destroing social stability in Kingdom. I find it hard to blame minorities that they fought back. Especially when I take into consideration how important was religion in those times.

BTW. Ha, above-mentioned history lesson should teach us, that we should avoid strongly religious immigrants because in time they would be a problem... Hm... to late for UK... While in EU we can only hope that our winters are to severe I suppose...

I can almost sense your excitement as you typed that!

And most parts of Poland.


I've sone no such thing. Your arguments often rely on blatent lies and that particular remark pretty much sums you up.


LMFAO - Keep telling yourself that ;)))


Adherence to outdated religious ideals... The same thing you accuse Muslims of.


Yes of course Sokrates, all Blacks and Muslims are murderers who try to forcefuly convert people to their religion. And of course, all Poles in Britain are good law-abiding citizens:

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-535052/How-Polish-killers-drug-smugglers-rapists-run-Britain-sent-home-Con-Air-flights.html

Nothing like a bit of balance in an argument, but I know that doesn't fit well with your particular agenda.

Rubbish captain dishonest, we do not spread our religion with baseball bats and gang activities like muslim do, in fact we do not spread our religion at all since its dying out in the younger generations.

I accuse muslims of their backwards religion being an agressive hell on wheels, casual catholicism once a week doesnt even come close.



You've just destroyed your own argument with that link, 135 polish criminals deported in one year? There's districts in London that have 5 times more convicted muslims in a month.


So we're backwater because many of us are catholic? Are we also backwated because of 1000 years of history, culture arts and literature in accordance with european development?:)

Face it buddy Poland is anything but backwater you're just forcefully pushing the idea across to get some solid ground while defending muslims with their hellish little "culture".

As for me i'm fine with what you think as long as you think it in your home and dont try to screw Poland with your shity opinion.

This is really funny if a person like you accuse a person like me to be backward :)) This is very comfortable for a leftist to say that everybody who doesn't share your basic fallacies is backward. I think that this labelling improve your humour spoiled by obvious intellectual inferiority that you feel. :)

And it also applies to the rightists, lesser. What fallacies are you alluding to?

socialism, egalitarianism, equality mania, perverse concept of sexuality, the one and only true religion of atheism, anti-discrimination quest, preference of security over freedom, global warming and all kind of fanatical ecologism which reject science, tolerance for some groups of intolerant (aka Muslims), PC insanity, etc

Socialism is a fallacy? Geez, that's just absurd. Egalitarianism, a bit too far for me. Equality mania, also silly. Perverse concept of sexuality, maybe so maybe not. Atheism, where's your proof that God exists? Anti-discrimination, legislation and decency supports it. Security over freedom? It's a question of balance. Jim Morrison once said, "freedom exists in a school book". Global warming? With all the curries they eat, India and Pakistan are major contributors. It's another one to fool the masses. Fanatical ecologism? I don't like it either but there is sometimes method in the madness. I tolerate Muslims but not radical ones. PC insanity, well, they have superceded the realms of limitations so time to cut back on it. Still, PC has a place.